Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)

[Shadoweh]

##Unvote
##Vote Dorian in case I am like voting someone which I probably am I bet!

[Affinity]

Im going to assume BT/Actiondan are town atm. i could not really see scum drawing this much attention as they are now.

Zakeri vote on actiondan is incredibly odd right now.
@Zakeri, can you clarify your vote on actiondan abit more? what part of actiondans post following serela post was an actual attack?

Also still dont think dormio is town. i think the way hes posting is just making people draw attention away from him at this point.

Was referring to this post. Don't like or understand his dichotomy regarding 'attention', saying that dormio is attracting a 'different sort of attention' from others and therefore scummy while clearing bt and dan.. Throws doubts on his town clears and scum reads. Why doesn't rawr clear nnr as well for 'attracting attention', voting him instead?

[Shadoweh]

Also: Townies see masons as scum.
Therefore X sees townies as masons. Fill in the blank at home.

Cut: But Rawr is right, why are you banging on him for saying something that is true

[Dr Rawr]

Was referring to this post. Don't like or understand his dichotomy regarding 'attention', saying that dormio is attracting a 'different sort of attention' from others and therefore scummy while clearing bt and dan.. Throws doubts on his town clears and scum reads. Why doesn't rawr clear nnr as well for 'attracting attention', voting him instead?

i cant really clarify it any more then i have really.
-actiondan has gained attention/bt by giving lots of clears(and each other) for town reads
-nnr is a wagon, of course he will gain attention. also prior all hes been doing is giving off heavy null reads on everyone pretty much. town should be voting who they think are scum not someone else.
-dormios weeaboo posts are pretty hard to read so im pretty sure people will be reluctant to give a form of read. in fact i dont think anyone thus far has given a read on him. <-dont feel like looking but im pretty sure

@shadoweh what do you think of serela? you seem to be able to get an actual read on serela most of the time :|.... thats also correct

[Affinity]

@conq: it is at least null. Why fret about a vote with reasoning when you can just make or backspace it, in favour of an unoriginal vote? Concern over choice of vote perhaps, which is shown more by town than scum.

Cut: shadoweh, how is that so true.

Rawr: first and second points contradict each other. Many people had a scum read on dormio. Tell me why you are voting nnr again?

[Dr Rawr]

i dont think yelling at dormio for his weeaboo posts count as a scumtell

[Dr Rawr]

Tell me why you are voting nnr again?

are you fucking kidding me?

[BT]

As for what I'm doing, I'm just trying to push you in the right direction, since scumreading me will just be a waste of your time when the game progresses. So I'm saving you the trouble of paranoia.

But this kind of response doesn't help at all. How... really, did you look at this post and say, "I'm helping him out here"? This conversation won't do anything but some scumhunting might. Dan --> NNR jump is pretty unimpressive so far.

Note that I don't exactly have much to go on in terms of scumreads, unless everyone is expecting me to suddenly turn my read on BT around. Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either.

Was this necessary?

NNR is still would-lynch and the next person I'd vote, if consolidation time comes around (Still almost 2 entire days left before deadline) rawr!voting hasn't caught on I'm more then happy to switch back.

Just saying, this is the reason why we fail at consolidation. Big wagons are always better than tiny wagons, not only close to deadlines.

Also I believe Serela to be town now

Wasn't he already town to you?

I certainly don't get NNR's vote priorities since he has been talking far more about BT than Zakeri.  I don't think parroting is as bad as alleged, but he needs to clarify how Zakeri is worse.  I still think him town however; after all, what was stopping him from voting BT in the first place?

... This line of reasoning really doesn't make much sense. -- Nevermind, he already answered this. So it's at least null. Is NNR at least null? I don't see how this makes you read him as town.

Affinity is probably town.

rawr might be scum but I'm not sure yet.

Shadoweh your reason for voting Dorian is my reason for ramming him early on but I don't think it's that solid, which is why I kind of backtracked since.

[BT]

A word to the new guys: If you're unsure, you could always listen to what others (with more experience!) are saying. If something looks off to you then you call someone out for it and bam! participation.

[BT]

We're at that pretty situation wherein everyone seems to agree on 2-3 wagons (NNR, rawr, Zak) but it could go either way. I'm going to read into these extensively when I get back so scum don't make the decision for us.

[Conqueror]

But this kind of response doesn't help at all. How... really, did you look at this post and say, "I'm helping him out here"? This conversation won't do anything but some scumhunting might. Dan --> NNR jump is pretty unimpressive so far.

Yeah, I'm actually completely serious. You're just being nitpicky at this point. If you can tell me why I'm not scumhunting or my jump is unimpressive I'll try to explain; otherwise I'll just assume you're trying to justify bad feelings that are unjustified.

Also, BT, you're taking stuff out of context in your quote stripes. Like in the post right above me Dan is clearly responding to Serela.

Dorian's made one post and I don't think it's bad enough to condemn him yet; he said he was going to follow up, wasn't he?

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: Responding to Zak, derp. Since that seems to be the entire basis of Zak's vote on Dan.

[Conqueror]

are you fucking kidding me?

It's a fair point; your only stated reason is sheeping.  Why did you choose to vote NNR over Serela?

[BT]

Like in the post right above me Dan is clearly responding

Oh. My bad.

Nah, you're right, I guess what I meant to say is that you haven't given me a reason to change my mind yet? The jump wasn't scummy but it wasn't town-ish either. Whatever.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh your reason for voting Dorian is my reason for ramming him early on but I don't think it's that solid, which is why I kind of backtracked since.

I think it is. What did he do to change your mind?

Rawr: Serela is probably town? I haven't seen him do anything wrong, but I'm too sleepy to give the question a 100% answer I think

[Conqueror]

Well, that's fine. Hopefully it'll become clear soon!

I guess to put my NNR vote into more concrete terms, it feels like he's being overcautious and
Okay dammit, I'm wavering I guess because I kinda like his Zakeri vote and his recent responses are actually okay. I still don't like how NNR is being passive though. Be more proactive!

Actually I want to
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
His attack on Dan boils down to "I think Serela is town therefore" --> "Dan is scum for attacking Serela"
This alone isn't that scummy; what I think is scummy about it is that it basically ignores all of Dan's other activity; I feel like Zak!town would look at the attack in context of everything else.

I didn't like it because when I read it it seemed like he was attacking Serela because Serela made a case on BT- not for actually disagreeing with the case, but because it was on BT.

This also rubs me the wrong way when I realize that Zak is basically attacking Dan because Dan made a case on Serela; basically, the same thing Zak is voting Dan for.

[Amraphenson]

##Unvote

So after looking through things properly I guess I'll do this. BT doesn't seem as scummy. but Dorian is also not talking at all so maybe he's scum? Darkoda too. I don't know anyone's game history. And I know plenty of people who have silence as a towntell, so I'm split on where to vote for this.

on the other hand NNR does seem super wishy washy now that everyone else points it out (because hey I'm new and don't notice this stuff), and in my experience that's totally a scum tell.
#Vote NNR

I mean I really want to vote Dan, Dormio, PX, or Rawr simply to fuck with them but that's something I'll refrain from because they all seem pretty town right now.

I guess it's bad that I'm sorta tunnel visioning on the people I know.

[Conqueror]

Serela that was a terrible terrible post, but I'm not sure that that is scum-you.

Not to mention this statement was in the original "Serela attack," which makes it a weird point of contention for Zak to attack Dan over as he didn't even call Serela scum. It's not even the meat of any of his posts; it's a passing remark.

[Conqueror]

@Shadoweh: What makes you say Dorian is saying nothing?

Amra, just curious, who has silence as a towntell? (because it's usually not)

[Amraphenson]

because this is my first game of internet mafia, it hardly matters. People I know irl had silence as a town tell.
acting classes, once upon a time.

[Conqueror]

Mkay, makes sense.

Also, BT, you're taking stuff out of context in your quote stripes. Like in the post right above me Dan is clearly responding to Serela.

Also, I was completely wrong here, so ignore me.  :blush: Must have mixed up my tabs or something.

[NekoNekoRex]

Grumpy catchup go:
also, lurking is part of my scum meta, why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?

lurking is part of my scum meta

[quote[scum meta[/quote]

meta

I believe that appropriately answers your question

More to come before I go off to bed.

[NekoNekoRex]

I haven't had any particularly aggravating Crawl games tonight but I think I can muster up some NekoRex-tier Critical Response Posts^tm

NNR: STOP MAKING THEORIES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE MASONS. OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING TO BE THEORIZING ABOUT OUT LOUD IN A WAY THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO ANSWER YOU. Looking at your actual post here as an example I see: No actual read on BT stated in this post, constant flip flopping between townscum. No read on Dormio. 'I enjoy his typing quirk' tells me nothing about what you think of him. A vote on Zak 'because Dan said stuff'. You're still scum. also, lurking is part of my scum meta, why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?

I see here a block of text at the crux of yet another D1 NekoRex wagon and I sigh with annoyance.

I thought my read on BT was pretty clear. I think he's town, although horribly misguided. It's much unlike last game where he was just plain awful and his scumhunting was pitiful. The fact I haven't said anything readwise on Dormio says a lot actually. Dormio hasn't really contributed anything this game...
I justified the Zakeri vote with reasoning. What fucking more do you want? I can't do anything else about it, okay? He's not posting, and I've got no other good scumreads.
Yeah, it was a sheep on Dan. Big deal? Would you have liked me to come up with the reasoning before Dan so that his vote could be a sheep on mine? It's like asking Serela not to cark up LYLO, or everyone else not to make it a running gag. It's even more irksome you agree with the wagon, and not my vote.

Of course, you just take a lurker vote after all that just to spite me. Also why was my OP scummy? I have waited for you this entire day and I still do not see any reason why you thought that.

Finally, screw you and you and your anti-speculation. I think Dormio is the cop and I have no basis whatsoever on that theory.

Also: Townies see masons as scum.
Therefore X sees townies as masons. Fill in the blank at home.

this is a dumb theory and isn't actually credible.

I certainly don't get NNR's vote priorities since he has been talking far more about BT than Zakeri.  I don't think parroting is as bad as alleged, but he needs to clarify how Zakeri is worse.  I still think him town however; after all, what was stopping him from voting BT in the first place? 

Here's a hint as to the reason behind this.

You ready to read it?


You sure?



Okay, here goes:




Zakeri



has




ONE FUCKING CONTENT POST

I have NOTHING ELSE TO COMMENT ON ABOUT HIM. BT has been posting ALL DAY LONG. It's natural I'm not going to be talking about Zakeri all day because HE ISN'T POSTING

Was this necessary?

Completely.

on the other hand NNR does seem super wishy washy now that everyone else points it out (because hey I'm new and don't notice this stuff), and in my experience that's totally a scum tell.
#Vote NNR

No. Stop.

[I have no name]

This Votecount was summoned by Black Waltz 1
ActionDan:    Dormio, Dorian, Zakeri (3)
Affinity:     (0)
BT:     (0)
Conqueror:     (0)
Darkoda:     (0)
Dorian:    Shadoweh (1)
Dormio:    Darkoda (1)
NekoNekoRex:    BT, PX, rawr, SasAmra-san (4)
PX:     (0)
rawr:    Serela, Affinity (2)
SasAmra-san:     (0)
Serela:     (0)
Shadoweh:     (0)
Zakeri:    ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror (3)


With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 36 hours remaining.

[Conqueror]

role speculation

can we please not do this; it's not helpful at all especially on day one

[Dorian White]

I'm surprised this clarification is needed, but: my response to Affinity wasn't an accusation. Like, at all. <_< It means I felt his vote was for the wrong reasons, regardless to alignment.

Nor was it a accusation from my side, I would not call you town if it were.

Anyway, my Dan case:
First, the town read was unreasonable. I agree Conq that the OMGUS vote was a newbtell and seen in conxet a null tell, Dan already covered a possible newbtown interpretation but it could be also seen as a newbscum ?jump on the worst reason? counterattack. A fight-or-flight reaction that doesn't require help from a buddy. Which makes Dans level of confidence in this read quite questionable or rather forced.
Second, Darkoda reaction to the ?test revelation?, as Conq already pointed out there was no reaction at all. This lack of a reaction still really puzzled, and even when I have to say that I didn't had the time nor the material to get a read on Darkoda, so can I still say that Dan not addressing this point  solidified the above mentioned  forced impression.
About his recent posts can I say that I don't like the timing of his vote, two of the three points Dan brings up against Zakeri were already there before he voted Dan. Well at last it isn't PoE.^^;

?Also: Explain what's wrong with PX's vote. Refer to these posts:?
Well, there is the point that he ?would vote Shadoweh ... for always doing this stuff every game? instead of ?for being scummy? but what I found more interesting is the post you haven't Quoted.

10/10 post will sheep

##unvote
##Vote dormio

So he dropped whatever problem he had with Shadoweh to sheep someone, who isn't even in the game?, without further notation to jump straight on the biggest wagon. It's kind of an irony that the reason I haven't voted him at said point were because he ?always doing this stuff every game?.

So far so good, that took me longer than I intended, I'm still around three pages behind the game but also deathly tired. Fortunately I'm free tonight so I'll get some sleep and then use the first opportunity this game to actually think my through to the end before I have to post them.

Guten Tag

[Affinity]

@rawr: how insolent.  And also three people had voted Dormio at some point in time today.

Why are you voting NNR for sheeping Dan when you are sheeping everyone voting NNR yourself?  Gosh.

In any case, NNR saying that BT is now misguided town is a bit of a shock to me, but okay.  In any case, from this people vs NNR thing, I'm getting nothing except the feeling that NNR has horrible PR in his insistence that there it is impossible to paraphrase his case on Zakeri in his own words.  In general I don't agree with the NNR case. I think parroting other people is fine in the short-term and on day one, and I think the change on his read of BT mid-game and his copious explanations on it are town.

@NNR: Have you missed Zakeri's post here?

I would rather look at scum who are attempting to jump on the wagon for an easy coast, like rawr for example, who is being a borderline hypocrite.  What's disturbing is that most people voting NNR have not chimed their opinion on Zakeri, which should be a related factor.

[Affinity]

On other people, I'm interpreting Zakeri's vote as voting someone for what he sees as bad play (e.g Dan's 'disjointed questioning' of Serela).  Would like clarification on how it is scummy by Zakeri, and I can see why people are voting him (especially Dan, who raises a good point about Zakeri's votepark on Darkoda being stagnant). 

Have to say that Dorian is being a bit outdated here; I don't like him missing out the main event of the day in NNR, especially when he is criticizing Dan's vote on Zakeri who is being voted by NNR as well.  Him citing what PX did ages ago instead of his far more relevant NNR vote is silly as well.  Would like to ask him his opinions on NNR.  Dormio is also in the same boat more or less.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

     _{the powerful Dormio wonderful                                                                                            I}
So watakushi-sama's suteki vote on ActionDan isn't going anywhere that watashi wants to see it go.
_{therefore        I                                    the best}
Dakara watashi will move watakushi-sama's vote to PX.

##Unvote
##Vote PX

              _{I                                                                      start             real      trouble}
As watashi has said earlier, PX's play at the hajime is hontou mazuii.
     _{it                                                      keeps}
Kore has not improved, and tsuzukete involves jumping only onto large, established wagons.
_{the one and only Dormio                                                            I                                          therefore                                                          results                                                     bad}
Watakushi-sama thinks that PX's statement that watashi is unreadable and dakara to be ignored is a copout that kekka in being able to drop the warui vote on watashi
_{your beloved Dormio                                    tomorrow                           now                the celebrity                              that person}
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.

[NekoNekoRex]

@NNR: Have you missed Zakeri's post here?

Fine, you got me there. Allow me to summarize why that post only makes him look worse:
-It's still bent on the singular prod Dan made on Serela (which wasn't followed up with a vote or further discussion) and no other posts Dan have made (including the case on Zak himself)
-It contributes nothing else.