Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[NekoNekoRex]

This is your ~5 Hours Remaining. Still no votecount change.

[Punch Hopper]

yuyuko, could you answer my question?

yuyuko where did you go at the end of yesterday after you called mamizou's self-vote a scum gambit?

I had other stuff to do and unlike Seiga I wasn't believing in a miracle. I was thinking a Mamizou lynch at that point was clearly not happening.

When was the last time scum fakeclaimed cop?  PoR when Pesco tried to hailmary it.  Scum don't usually claim something weak like a cop since there are 4 types and can easily be fucked with by Godfather, framer etc.  Scum in my opinion usually fakeclaim something people percieve as a more important role in a: "Don't you lynch me look I'm the best role in the game." a la watcher doctor tracker )ry.

This is actually blatant bullshit. Scum claimed cop in at least two out of the last seven games, one of those games being the last one.

[Kiva-la]

YoSHika noT UnderSTAndinG whAt FAKe fEVer sAYing...
MoSt noT saYing thINk YoshiKA scum oR town...

Voicing suspicion towards wagons, opting to vote Reimu -> Kogasa instead. It's not like trying to be more productive with your vote is unheard of, but I do think that this is bordering on outright avoiding the main wagons. Especially if it's happening more than once.

YoShika woNDerinG how AvOIdiNG whEN YOshikA TaLK mAin WagON buT vOTe othER...
YoSHikA EveN hAmmER boTH day...

YoSHikA buSy buT can AnSwer QUEstIOn...

[Faiz]

Seems like everyone is waiting for the official flip to actually do stuff, so lets get it over with.

##Unvote
##Vote Nue

By the way Yuyuko, you really should put some effort into your posts tomorrow.

[W]

so guise

hour thirty minutes

probably about time to end the day :T

I would have advocated ending it earlier if it wasn't that Futo announced V/LA for three days.

Nue is L-2, anyone other then Yuyuko/Seiga/Reimu is able to throw their vote on, and then I'll hammer. (This is sort of like a soft confirmation from someone else that they're okay with it, also I sort of feel like hammering I guess. And yeah I'll totes be around 'til deadline to be able to do so)

aaaaaand cut by marisa gimme a sec

[W]

##Vote Nue (hammer)

TIME TO WATCH MORE GRAVITY FALLS WOO

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

HAMMER SHUT UP

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Houjuu Nue (5): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Kaku Seiga, Hakurei Reimu, Kirisame Marisa, Tatara Kogasa (Lynch!)
Not Voting: Hakurei Reimu, Houjuu Nue, Miyako Yoshika, Mononobe no Futo

Houjuu Nue, Mafia Goon, shapeshifted into a dead guy!

You have about 25 and a half hours to send in night actions.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Miyako Yoshika, Town Jailguard, decomposed!

Abilities
Jailguard (Active): Since guarding is all you're really useful for, you may ##Jail another player each night. Actions they make will be redirected toward you, as will any attempts on their life. Players will be informed that they were redirected.

You have 72 hours. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[W]

Oh wow! That makes things much simpler! I was afraid that there would be more people I wanted to lynch left then we had lynches. THANK YOU SCUM ROLECOP. (Because that's the only way I could see them killing Yoshika >_>)

Now we can totes lynch, like Yuyuko and Soga and Seiga. I say "seiga" because she's the most likely I could see being scum out of Reimu/Futo/Marisa, but seriously, she is the LAST one I'd want to have lynched, and I'm much more confident in Yuyuko/Soga flipping scum then her, especially Yuyuko.

##Vote Yuyuko

I still don't buy the counterwagon thing being a town clear, she's become nigh nonexistant, her attempts at making posts are getting to the point of being so ludicrous that the mere idea of it being a serious townie would be COMPLETELY BAFFLING, she didn't want to lynch Nue and tried to drive the Mamizou lynch d2 (in her own way) along with the ridiculous "this is a scum gambit" remark after Mamizou self-voted which was null at best/worst, and... that's about all that could be possibly said about her, because that pretty much covers the content of almost all her posting.

Unless you wanted me to reiterate again on how I feel about her D1 stuff, which I don't feel is needed, given that A.I already have more then once and B.That should be enough reasons she needs to die :T It'd just be saying why her d1 posting was useless and isn't cool and townie or anything instead of additional reasons she's scum.

[W]

If anyone seriously thinks we shouldn't lynch Yuyuko, I have two questions for you.

A.How do you think she could be town, apart from possibly being a Nue counterwagon late d2? (Bussing is not out of the question as scum would likely expect she'd be heading down the drain and it could get Nue cred , people were buying her claim, Mamizou would have ended up being a wrench to this though, but, anyway, :question:)
2.Do you want that thing around in lylo?

[W]

then I fully read yoshika's role and realize she redirects a kill onto herself, I sort of saw "jail" and "guard" and "##Jail" and figured she was just, y'know, a jailer

so instead

THANK YOU YOSHIKA I'M SORRY FOR ALL THE THINGS I SAID ABOUT YOU except not really BUT STILL THANKS YAY  :]

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ALSO a notice for dead peeps:
there's no "real graveyard" in this game because i don't like graveyards in my anon games due to identity reasons, but there's a fake one made by a dead person floating around and i'm willing give access out to anybody who's dead after they pm me a full player guess list. i'll probably be using this method of graveyard access in any future anon games i host too

[Punch Hopper]

##Vote Kogasa

Kogasa: You've been spending an awful lot of words to say "let's lynch her because she posts very little". It's a valid reason, but fluffing it up to make it out to be more than it is. For that matter, while you certainly don't have to believe me, I don't even see any attempt to read the things I wrote in light of "has very little time". But w/e.
And no, what Mamizou did was not null or town because it was very unlikely she'd actually get lynched. What exactly is ridiculous about that?

Seiga: Please explain that "scum don't claim cop" thing. Because that looks like something you pulled out of your ass just so you could say something in your defense.

[W]

Yuyuko's latest case still is completely ungrounded in reality.

Kogasa: You've been spending an awful lot of words to say "let's lynch her because she posts very little". It's a valid reason, but fluffing it up to make it out to be more than it is.

Each of my reasons are separate and only one of them is that you post very little. You seem to have failed to read past a single sentence of my post, or are pretending it doesn't exist.

For that matter, while you certainly don't have to believe me, I don't even see any attempt to read the things I wrote in light of "has very little time".

...like what

seriously

point it out, because there's nothing there

And no, what Mamizou did was not null or town because it was very unlikely she'd actually get lynched. What exactly is ridiculous about that?

Do I need to reference my reasoning on why the claim made her town again

Besides, even if it's "very unlikely she'd actually get lynched", how is it suddenly some scum motivated action?

Yuyuko's vote on me amounts to nothing more then an OMGUS that's backed up with reasoning that doesn't even hold up to 10 seconds of scrutiny.

[Ryuki]

Seiga: Please explain that "scum don't claim cop" thing. Because that looks like something you pulled out of your ass just so you could say something in your defense.

Just pointing this out as well.

If Seiga is allowed to use her experience of scum not claiming cop as the basis of her argument, I'll bring up that where I come from, Cop is probably what scum claim about 90% of the time unless they know that there is a bulletproof villager in the game, who are less ubiquitous than the cop.

While I said her reasoning was logical and brought it D3, I'm not so certain now, while it's logical, it doesn't gel with what I know. I know MoTK and EM have totally different styles, but still. I'll say that while I'm not certain exactly why yet, I no longer 100% feel that Yuyuko is scum. That said for the whole purposes of Yuyuko v Kogasa, I don't feel Kogasa is scum either. Yet anyway. I need to mull on this for a while and re-read a few times.

And not be 7 AM.

Anyway, right now I'm split on what to do, and I need to think this over more. It's too soon in IRL time to make a decision, 7 AM @_@. I can say that I don't know exactly why yet, but

[Ryuki]

While I said her reasoning was logical and brought it D3, I'm not so certain now, while it's logical, it doesn't gel with what I know. I know MoTK and EM have totally different styles, but still.

Anyway, right now I'm split on what to do, and I need to think this over more. It's too soon in IRL time to make a decision, 7 AM @_@. I can say that I don't know exactly why yet, butI'll say that while I'm not certain exactly why yet, I no longer 100% feel that Yuyuko is scum. That said for the whole purposes of Yuyuko v Kogasa, I don't feel Kogasa is scum either. Yet anyway. I need to mull on this for a while and re-read a few times.

And not be 7 AM.

Mouse Derp was derp, this is what the above should read.

[Faiz]

Now we can totes lynch, like Yuyuko and Soga and Seiga.

Why do you have no reasoning for anyone but Yuyuko?

Having a huge lurker in LyLo isn't exactly great, but I'm not convinced that she's scum, so I'd rather lynch someone else.

I don't know what the fuck this line is Toziko given that I don't even fos Kogasa like everyone else does for some reason.

The initial line sure looks like a FoS, since you say she knows Youmu would flip town, and only scum would know that about a VT on D1. And then suddenly Kogasa is obvtown by #372 and you don't talk about her again ever. What made you change your mind between these two posts? And why do you have no comment on her despite people suspecting her for most/all of D2/D3?
I also don't like how Seiga seemed to show far more concern with defending herself than showing why other lynches would be better on D3, or even questioning people.

##Vote Seiga

[Kaku Seiga]

Excuse you Yuyuko.  Yes the last 7 games would be PoR and the last game.  There's this thing where I didn't take part of the last game nor could I be fucked enough to even read it.  It's hardly an asspull because this is what I genuinely believe.  Call me a dumbfuck for thinking that or whatever.  Do not call me a liar.

And no.  Mamizou's thing was not an alignment indicator.  No town or mafia wants to just be lynched bar someone just gamethrowing so how is that for sure a scum action and not a any person regardless of alignment could have pulled it action?

Ok Marisa.  I can have doubts as a player being able to read people.  Because these shown up even though I wanted to lynch Youmu I'm scum now?
That's a logic fallacy.
And yes, I was fosing Kogasa day 1.  Where the fuck do you keep pulling that I fosed Kogasa because I asked her a more hard question? 
You're pulling another fallacy in assuming we're scum buddies by the fact that I don't mention her?  If I don't find her worth mentioning she's not a priority right now like Toziko.  Seriously, what the fuck are you doing?

And because I didn't want to go all out on the filler day that means I spent it all defending and "SELF PRESERVATION oh dear it's a scum move!!!1!1!"
Here's a thought.  No one wants to be lynched regardless of alignment so why is this a scumtell?

In fact why are you clearing Toziko who did pretty much the same thing besides try to tack on a minor point from day 1 to look like she has a slam dunk case when if that's really all she can get on day 3, how good are her cases really if she has to scrounge.  She spent the majority of day 3 prod dodging or not here so it was rather hard for me to follow up a case on someone not here.  Now get to steppin' and lynch this mofo.
##Vote: Toziko

(On a side note: Why is Toziko the only Touhou everyone calls by her first name when everyone calls everyone else by the second?

[Faiz]

Ok Marisa.  I can have doubts as a player being able to read people.  Because these shown up even though I wanted to lynch Youmu I'm scum now?

Nah. I still have doubts about your reaction to Nue's claim. Not considering she was a PR even though she fit your definition of PR play looks like disconnect to me. Also PoR was 11 games ago, so I'm wondering if you really believe this.

And yes, I was fosing Kogasa day 1. Where the fuck do you keep pulling that I fosed Kogasa because I asked her a more hard question?

Eh? I explained why I thought it looked like a FoS.
Things like this make it hard to actually parse your posts. You're saying that you did FoS her and then saying that you didn't?

You're pulling another fallacy in assuming we're scum buddies by the fact that I don't mention her?

I'm trying to get you to put down a stance in regards to her, since your latest one is seriously outdated.

Here's a thought.  No one wants to be lynched regardless of alignment so why is this a scumtell?

Sure. But town also wants to lynch scum, which is why I found it suspicious that you showed no effort toward this goal on D3.

Toziko was questioning people at least. Perhaps you could restate and condense your case on Toziko since it's fairly spread out by now.

[Kaku Seiga]

Thanks Marisa for being dense and not putting together that my read on her day 1 was a town read as evident by the one link I had in that post.

[Faiz]

It's so tempting to respond in the same tone. But instead I'll point out that I was aware of this as shown by my first post today. I was telling you that you need to stop using sarcasm (or whatever).

[W]

No one ever sheeps my cases. ;_;

Okay. So. If nothing else, can you people seriously look at posts like what Yuyuko said d3, and think there's any way someone could say that stuff -seriously-? Someone (I think Futo) said it was "chutzpah of the highest degree", but seriously, it was almost far enough to just call it outright BS, like when she said she had said why she wanted me dead in her last few posts when the last thing she said about me, almost an IRL week back, was that she didn't even particularly want me lynched.

It just doesn't make -sense-.

She IGNORED part of my case on her and tried to pass it off as me just saying she doesn't post much. She makes prod dodge posts almost as much as posts that actually have a semblance of saying anything.

It's beyond the point where I can see Yuyuko as town unless she's decided to resort to troll more then actually play.

[W]

Scum have done this several times in the recent past. And somehow they always live 'til lylo. :myfacewhen:

[W]

Okay I guess rawr actually made sense in his posts at least but it's still roughly around the same sort of thing.

Kaori's posts didn't much make sense at all either :I

[Den-O]

##Vote Seiga

D1 Seiga solidifies Reimu as a suspicion, eventually earning her a vote over Youmu whom is adressed by pretty much 90% of her D1 content. D2 is a big nope to that as Reimu is suddenly given a null read in favor of more relevant lynches. And Youmu was lynched, meaning what's left of her D1 is these two Nue interactions (located at the end of both posts) and this inconsistency that Marisa already mentioned. Onwards in D2 Nue gets plenty of back-and-forth for some cred and her rebuttal to her *actual vote* (on me) is "who cares" tier in comparison. Based on this you'd really think her vote would be on Nue but I guess not. Nue wagon is happening but nevermind Nue claimed PR and her scum play fits PR play so it's cool. Seriously. It's not like townies never do this but there's no indication that she was actually considering her being a PR before the claim so the sudden backing off is unnatural and, nope, isn't town. Reaction to Marisa's vote on D3 does not read like town at all and instead reads like scum getting pissed off over the reasons they're being voted for. #735 drops Yuyuko out of the blue and features a chainsaw defense of Kogasa after not mentioning her for two days. #754 shows frustration at people supposedly reading the game wrong but no effort is put into showing people the actual scum but "I'd implore everyone to actually read the game". Summing up my D3 as prod dodging is just playing ignorant and reactions to Marisa are hostile for no reason. In fact I'd argue that her play this game has been needlessly moody and it isn't all playstyle. Lynch goes here.

As for something else: I had a night to think about it, and I'm done waffling over this. Kogasa's play for more than half the game can be summed up as "lynch the terrible player for reasons visible to the entire playerbase". Not only is Yuyuko's play terrible as scum just as it is as town, but there are also things to consider (such as Day 2 wagons) and wagons happening that are more than just a crapshoot. Kogasa would support my lynch but I have no idea why. She's been yelling at the lurker and defending players for the entire game, without notably pushing for any other lynches. I'm ready to call this active lurking. Not only that, but there are some visible connections to Nue about. Thinking Nue is suspicious and delaying said suspicion on D1 for reasons that now make no sense, then pushing for the Yuyuko lynch instead of an already existing Nue wagon because ___ (I mean honestly, just look at her stance on Nue coming out of D1 and then the sudden confusion with all the wagons on D2, also the off-timed Yoshika suspicion that suddenly takes priority). Not to mention things Marisa pointed out a day ago on Nue's end. I gutcleared Kogasa early on but I'm honestly thinking it's another Nue at this point. Yoshika's flip also helps but meh. I'm fine with lynching this too.

By the way, no, I'm not clearing Yuyuko of suspicion because she's terrible, I'd actually be torn here in some other scenario, but I do think Kogasa's the scum here and not Yuyuko for the above.

[W]

MAYBE IF YOU WOULD JUST LYNCH THE SCUM IN FRONT OF ME IT'D BE LESS OF AN ISSUE :C

I always chase them and people don't lynch them and then they make it to lylo and they're scum.

Not only is Yuyuko's play terrible as scum just as it is as town,

To be quite honest, I have no idea who Yuyuko is, and that's the only player other then like Sanae I can say that of. I stuck to my ed1 guess from my guess list because I don't have a different one unless it's like Hero999 out of nowhere or something. (Speaking of that, I should mention to HW that I'd add an addendum moving my Yuyuko guess to Seiga as backup but whatever it barely matters. Oh yeah I'm not sure I even mentioned my Edible pick ei-wait I'm getting off track)

Regardless, no one who has played any time recently is anywhere near as bad as Yuyuko, at least when town. (When scum is different matter because it's not necessarily bad play if scum, especially considering how WELL it's been working out for all the scum who've tried it lately >_>)

I wouldn't have called a Yuyuko wagon a crapshoot until -after- everyone stated disagreement with it today. I actually thought at least SOMEONE other then me would support it after what happened D3.

I have to friggin push the Yuyuko wagon constantly because she's scum and no one believes me and I sort of don't want town to lose? I've dabbled in Yoshika/Soga/Nue stuff but I haven't paid as much attention to them because I've had far more interest in lynches other then them. Like Yuyuko's.

[W]

I'm going to assume asking Yuyuko to claim identity would be something that would get me modkilled or at least modfrowned at (For breaking the "don't be lame" rule or something similar), despite the fact that I think it could seriously help me get her lynched for being the scum she is.

@Huhwhat:I'm not allowed to ask, right? ;_;

[Den-O]

But there's more than one scum out there (even now) and I'm not getting the impression you're actually looking for them. Yuyuko is always an option because seriously just look at her, and any other option would require effort and draw attention which are both things scum don't really like doing.

By the way, if you really haven't figured out Yuyuko yet, have a hint: there's one dude from last game that started the game looking for policy lynches just like in this one. (if that wasn't an instatell there's always playstyle + timezones but yeah)

[Den-O]

Oh, I meant terrible scum play as in they're playing bad as scum in general, not in regards to that player's scum meta or whatever.