Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

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The three people I wanted to post, posted, but barely said much :T

In fact, Yoshika and Yuyuko both basically did the exact same thing, which is "We're lynching Nue, and then I want to lynch Kogasa just because." :I

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Come to think of it, when I reread Yoshika's posts, just about everything from D2 onwards seems to me like unbacked up opinions and responding to other people, instead of stuff that's actually, like, productive. :c The one main exception I see is her case on me.

Maybe I should look at Miko's Yoshika case again. After this Nue stuff is out of the way I'll have lynches I need to push, after all.

[Faiz]

Nue>Yuyuko>Yoshika with Soga being a ? somewhere in there? Really Yoshika and Soga are more "opinion pending".

Why do you want Yoshika lynched anyway, Kogasa? From what I can tell you don't have any reasons aside from PoE. Also saying Yoshika wants you lynched just because is a misrep considering she posted a case yesterday (which you didn't respond to despite acknowledging it just now).

After this Nue stuff is out of the way I'll have lynches I need to push, after all.

This line is freaking me out. "I'll need to push lynches to look good and survive!" is what I'm getting out of this.
And what happened to Yuyuko anyway?

[Den-O]

We basically have a filler day now. May as well make use of it by reading the entire thread.

Yep, Seiga is still scum. #316 looks like setting up Kogasa even before the town flip happened (actually looks like she knew Youmu would flip town herself). #277 is pretty much the reason I thought my vote being weak was bullshit. D2, my vote is the epitome of bad. In that post Marisa's vote is "one of the bad votes", so why wasn't I mentioned in that post at all?

Now to see if Yoshika or Kogasa are scum.

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Kogasa #72: "silly but not scummy", why?
Kogasa #81: "it's ridiculous of Yuyuko", but is it scummy?
Kogasa #101: "Mamizou is weird", but is she scummy?

Kogasa #388:

More decision what?! Are you trying to hide behind your speech impediment? Seriously. I want Youmu lynched, I want Yuyuko lynched, I don't want Reimu lynched, I'm going to make a case on Nue tomorrow, what the hell else do you want from me woman?!

I can't get this out of my head now. Kogasa #391 does explain that she thinks Nue is scummy, but she said countless times that her read hinged on Youmu's flip. As in, if she thought Youmu was flipping scum, it's only logical that she wouldn't be expecting to lynch Nue the day after. This seriously looks like she knew Youmu was flipping town.

Elaboration on Nue is postphoned for most of D2 but eventually #527 concludes that Nue is confusing. I thought she was "p.scummy"? What happened to that? Then at #536 Yoshika jumps to second place and... there's really no explanation for this anywhere, is there?

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Yoshika #116: Initial Reimu vote is here, looks more like voting off of stupidity with amendment later.

Yoshika #257 is actually pretty bad. She was talking about scum not slipping because Youmu was an easy bus to sheep to, I asked for names, she discredits the entire wagon. Why is there no attempt at differentiating between sheep and busbuddies?

Yoshika throws dislike at Youmu for the majority of D1 but no vote beacuse "dumb and not scum". Examples for legitimate suspicion being #197 and #232, but again #240 is "bad but not scum". Instead on Reimu for "waiting to produce content". Actually, looked like legit suspicion but vote position was constantly justified with "waiting for content".

D2. Already went over this as well: she agreed with the cases against me but didn't vote because she had nothing new to add. If she was only prodding Reimu, waffling on Seiga and considering other options, her vote should have been on my wagon. Then at #502 the switch happens but it's to Kogasa. Why wasn't she voted to begin with? It honestly reads more like attempts at *not jumping on the wagon*. Similar to the Youmu wagon on D1, really.

Yoshika #448 indeed looks like she's prodding Reimu but then #457, #459 and #460 look like legit suspicion yet again. It's the reason I found it hard to believe she was actually prodding her.

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I'll just post this for now so that it gets replied to. I'm not done reading but things are at a standstill so better something than nothing.

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Why do you want Yoshika lynched anyway, Kogasa? From what I can tell you don't have any reasons aside from PoE.

I've talked about this before, haven't I? :S

I still think her ED1 stuff is worth killing her over. She was only cleared by people after for being pushy, which scum can still easily do as she was just repeatedly going "BUT X AND BUT Y". And apart from that, she really hasn't done anything that's particularly townie; and upon reread, I realized she's actually not done much at all, when you blow through opinions without backup and responding to other people without actually providing new content. This is why I'd like to lynch Yoshika.

Soga:
72:Reimu had done things that were silly, but none of the silly things were actually scummy. In the posts directly after I even went into long rants to support my argument wherein I explain WHY it's not scummy, so I'm not sure why you're asking D:
81:See above answer; I explain this in depth in posts directly after. However, this was also just ED1; it was the best I had to go on, but of course, it wasn't anything solid either. The issue with Yuyuko is she never, ever did much better. I guess her d2 post is slightly better but it's still incredibly lackluster and she seriously -never did anything else all game-. It's getting into ultra lurk tier and she shouldn't be allowed into LyLo in any circumstance.
101:...yes, it was weird at the time, but later as I say in my posts she turns into a town read.

All these questions feel like totally inconsequential pokes because the answers can be clearly seen in my posts from D1 :S

As for the Nue thing, to be honest, if Youmu had flipped scum I still could have gone "Cheering the Youmu wagon without actually getting on it to help the lynch", so, in the end... Nue would have looked bad either way. Partially I was just plain being lazy. *Cough*

Yoshika jumped partially because :mikocase: showing a possibility of her wagon actually picking up, and partially from unimpressment from her D2 content, partially as the content mostly consisted on stuff on me that I DO remember defending myself against and not really buying, although if she made another thing later on in the day I guess I probably sort of breezed past it. The wagon wasn't in danger of picking up and I'd already defended myself against her, and I might have figured it wasn't worth the effort. Or maybe I couldn't see good ways to refute it. I don't really remember my thought processes from that far back.

[Kaku Seiga]

OH Reimu.  You mean the part where there were only 5 people there until the very last second of the day who could swing a wagon on Mamizou who I thought was scum because of her atrocious end of day play?  And when the wagon actually happened instead of just going on someone I thought was really cop then when I talk about it being a real thing I'm just relived I got my mislynch? 
What kind of game is this?

You know futo, I never considered he actually was a PR since he looked pretty maflord.  When he claimed cop and I placed it back with how he had been acting it made more sense.  Themoreweknow.  I like the part where it was all null and void.  Because it wasn't.  I was willing to take Yuyuko over her but she wasn't clear.  I was willing to give her a day to prove the cop role instead of just like, lynching her when she may have been nightkilled instead.  That's what went through my head.
A PR plays a lot like how a mafia reads.  Given the current circumstances I was willing to give him a chance.

I don't know what the fuck this line is Toziko given that I don't even fos Kogasa like everyone else does for some reason.
" #316 looks like setting up Kogasa even before the town flip happened (actually looks like she knew Youmu would flip town herself)."
Let's nitpick day one when we had all of day 2 to do that.

At this point I'm becoming babby's lil' mislynch so I'd implore everyone to actually read the game.

[Ryuki]

OH Reimu.  You mean the part where there were only 5 people there until the very last second of the day who could swing a wagon on Mamizou who I thought was scum because of her atrocious end of day play?  And when the wagon actually happened instead of just going on someone I thought was really cop then when I talk about it being a real thing I'm just relived I got my mislynch? 
What kind of game is this?

Can I ask what it was that made you so confident in Nue's claim anyway? You just... believed it. When she had been pretty scummy both D1 and D2.

The same question also applies to Miko, for that matter, neither of you really said why this was so convincing, you just said 'Nue claimed Cop when about to be lynched she must be teling the truth!'

Not to mention being so convinced that you lynched Mamizou for CC'ing over the already-scummy Nue. I don't understand what was so atrocious about Mamizou's end of day play, she CC'ed and Nue only claimed when the lynch was imminent on her. It should have been a big red flag on Nue's claim.

At the best Nue tricked you and you messed up. At worst you were on her side all along.

[OOO]

mrf
this is pretty unrelated to the situation at hand but seiga could you stop being snarky when you're responding to people? it's not pleasant to read and it makes you harder to read for other people. have more to ask seiga but ill get to that when i get home.

The same question also applies to Miko, for that matter, neither of you really said why this was so convincing, you just said 'Nue claimed Cop when about to be lynched she must be teling the truth!'

okay, i can buy this happening one time, but twice in the same game is getting kinda sketchy. are you really not reading the flips?

[Faiz]

I've talked about this before, haven't I? :S

Uh, not really. Last time you gave reasons for thinking Yoshika was scummy was LD1. And even that wasn't very clear, since you said she was townish but you weren't clearing her.
How does "nothing that's particularly townie" = scum? I see what you mean about not doing much though.

As for the Nue thing, to be honest, if Youmu had flipped scum I still could have gone "Cheering the Youmu wagon without actually getting on it to help the lynch", so, in the end... Nue would have looked bad either way. Partially I was just plain being lazy. *Cough*

Previous to this, she cheerleads the Youmu wagon (Although admittedly Youmu was L-2 so it wasn't really a good time to vote her)

At this point I'm becoming babby's lil' mislynch so I'd implore everyone to actually read the game.

So why don't you tell us why we should lynch someone else, instead of spending all your time on defense?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

>V-V-Votecount!
Houjuu Nue (3): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Kaku Seiga, Hakurei Reimu (L-2)
Kaku Seiga (1): Kirisame Marisa
Not Voting: Hakurei Reimu, Houjuu Nue, Miyako Yoshika, Mononobe no Futo, Tatara Kogasa
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have 28 hours left in the day.

[Decade]

Also, Nue, if you ARE town you've done a horrible job at it anyway. Most of us were about to lynch you D2 anyway for massively flawed logic, and flip-flopping with your votes.

Now you've been CC'ed and proven wrong.

By the way, let's hear what you got last night. You know, just for the sake of asking. Might be your one lifeline.

This should not be in the above quote, this is different reasoning, mouse derp made it derp into the quote above.

Noep =3

You guys have already been leaving me for dead and ignoring like everything I post all Day, why would another post make a difference.

[Decade]

Actually y'all know what

I'm Mafia Beguiler. Every other night I can ##Trick a player, and they will be told that their night action results are the opposite of whatever happened (i.e. if cop investigates a townie he'll be told he investigated scum, etc.). I can use this once on an even night, but then I won't be able to use it again, etc.

N1 we jailed Miko, shot Sanae, tricked <CENSORED>, etc.
N2 we shot Miko, rolecopped Reimu, tricked <CENSORED>, etc.

My scumbuddies are such and such and our QT is some disclosed webpage on QT, etc.
gg, nj sniffing me out, etc. Y'all will still lose anyways so w/e

[Punch Hopper]

Y'all will still lose anyways so w/e

I very much doubt that. Is this supposed to be the token WIFOM or what?

Kogasa: If you think I want you dead just because, you clearly haven't been reading the few posts I've made closely enough.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHA what

Okay let's go look at your last few posts

Hi.

Lynching Kogasa after we're done with Nue indeed sounds like a good idea. Not really interested in lynching Marisa anymore.

##Vote Nue

:/

This is a scum gambit btw.

AHAHAHA YUYUKO CHEERLEADING THE MAMIZOU LYNCH I didn't even notice that (this is right after Nue jumps on Mamizou after her selfvote, before actual townies got on)

(Then there's a whole bunch of completely insignificant posts around page 22/21)

Would actually be up for a Mamizou lynch after this. Any takers?

this is after people jump off the nue wagon because cop claim, more ahaha

Anyway would totally love us LYNCHING YUYUKO tomorrow guise.

Still reading back and there's nothing about me for forever, for that matter

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another tidbit from before nue claimed

Vote Marisa. We're not lynching Nue today.
I'll probably have some actual time to make a real post before deadline. Hopefully.

|3 yeah lynching her tomorrow kplox?

Apart from SUPER LURK FOREVER AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AFTER D1 IN WAY OF SCUMHUNTING, all of the unbacked opinions she DOES have blatantly go along as scum benefits from the flips we've gotten (Assuming Nue is scum, which she's even claimed at this point, sooo)

Needs a post from the umbrella girl. Not going to want her dead over Marisa today unless she does something particularly egregious or Marisa somehow does something townie, though.

^Last thing Yuyuko actually said about me, from ED2

so

yeah

at this point she's pretty clearly talking out of her ass in the post she just made, because the last time she mentioned me she said she doesn't even want me dead that much

[Kiva-la]

YoSHika noT time buT many tiME NOw!

In fact, Yoshika and Yuyuko both basically did the exact same thing, which is "We're lynching Nue, and then I want to lynch Kogasa just because." :I

#556 YoSHika giVe many reAson in This Post and OTher saY CraZY umBRellA compLEtely iGnore!

I still think her ED1 stuff is worth killing her over. She was only cleared by people after for being pushy, which scum can still easily do as she was just repeatedly going "BUT X AND BUT Y". And apart from that, she really hasn't done anything that's particularly townie; and upon reread, I realized she's actually not done much at all, when you blow through opinions without backup and responding to other people without actually providing new content. This is why I'd like to lynch Yoshika.

YoSHika noT prOvide New cONtent...?
YoSHika wAnt knoW what Not nEW ouT of What YOSHika saY!
YoSHika tHink if CraZy uMbrelLA try TO Say REpItitIOn Idea THen cRAzy UmBRelLA leSS BRain thAn YOShikA!

Yoshika jumped partially because :mikocase: showing a possibility of her wagon actually picking up, and partially from unimpressment from her D2 content, partially as the content mostly consisted on stuff on me that I DO remember defending myself against and not really buying, although if she made another thing later on in the day I guess I probably sort of breezed past it. The wagon wasn't in danger of picking up and I'd already defended myself against her, and I might have figured it wasn't worth the effort. Or maybe I couldn't see good ways to refute it. I don't really remember my thought processes from that far back.

So... cRazy UmbRElla lYnch YoSHika beCauSe oNly chAnce AppeAR...?
DiSreGard eVerYthiNg YoSHikA do...?

I'm reading Seiga's posts and I don't really know why she's getting voted atm
I stand by my opinion that you and Yuyuko's votes for her weren't good (Yuyuko's was during ED1 and not -that- bad but I thought yours was just plain scummy)
It's D1, it's completely realistic to expect that all my scumreads aren't going to be correct. Just because one person I think is scum is voting someone else I think is scum doesn't mean they're both town. For what it's worth I definitely would have had Youmu die over you though, not counting the part where now I have mod confirmation Youmu is town (for obvious reasons)

As for Nue, I'm gonna get to her in a minute

And on your accusation of me trying to "leave my options open" by that last thing, just, :T. If Youmu flipped town (which she did), her voting you is completely null tell to your real alignment. Wheras if Youmu had flipped scum it would have made you look more likely town.

okay now to look at other stuff

YoSHika noT THink tHIS reAl ReSPonD!
YoSHiKA stILl WonDer whY iGnore FLufFY!
YoSHikA noTe CraZy UmBRElla amONG peopLe voTE YOshika fOR IncONsisTant aLIen And crazY UmBRElla SO neVer rEspONd abOut FluFfy baD!

Come to think of it, when I reread Yoshika's posts, just about everything from D2 onwards seems to me like unbacked up opinions and responding to other people, instead of stuff that's actually, like, productive. :c The one main exception I see is her case on me.

Maybe I should look at Miko's Yoshika case again. After this Nue stuff is out of the way I'll have lynches I need to push, after all.

EasY MAke uNsuBstAntiaTed StateMent!
GiVe exaMPle foR YOshikA...?

Now to see if Yoshika or Kogasa are scum.

YoSHika noT acTUal See oPioNIon...

Yoshika #116: Initial Reimu vote is here, looks more like voting off of stupidity with amendment later.

NoT KNow whaT mEaniNG...

Yoshika #257 is actually pretty bad. She was talking about scum not slipping because Youmu was an easy bus to sheep to, I asked for names, she discredits the entire wagon. Why is there no attempt at differentiating between sheep and busbuddies?

YoSHikA ThINK mISrePREsENt!
TruTh EvERyONe on WAgON giVe exAct SAMe reASon!
SHoW YOshiKA WHo oRIginAl reASOn for VoTE HalfBreed!

Yoshika throws dislike at Youmu for the majority of D1 but no vote beacuse "dumb and not scum". Examples for legitimate suspicion being #197 and #232, but again #240 is "bad but not scum". Instead on Reimu for "waiting to produce content". Actually, looked like legit suspicion but vote position was constantly justified with "waiting for content".

YoSHikA noT likE WasTE!
WhY WAste VoTE HAlfbreEd whEn EverYOnE ELSe VoTE hALfBreed fOR same REaSON!

D2. Already went over this as well: she agreed with the cases against me but didn't vote because she had nothing new to add. If she was only prodding Reimu, waffling on Seiga and considering other options, her vote should have been on my wagon. Then at #502 the switch happens but it's to Kogasa. Why wasn't she voted to begin with? It honestly reads more like attempts at *not jumping on the wagon*. Similar to the Youmu wagon on D1, really.

YoSHikA sAy NoT REad faKe feVer buT YOshiKA reAD lOUd lAdy pOST and Find AgREe so juST SAy yOSHika fINd aGree!
NoT seE whAt ProbLem...
YoSHIkA nOt swITCh to CrAZy UMBrelLA fAstER beCAuse noT tiME to POst...
YoSHikA alsO WONder wHAt MeaN By SimilAr to HAlfbREed WaGon...

Yoshika #448 indeed looks like she's prodding Reimu but then #457, #459 and #460 look like legit suspicion yet again. It's the reason I found it hard to believe she was actually prodding her.

YoSHIka noT knoW whAt SAy...
FakE feVer unDerstand YOshikA mORe thAN YosHIka...?

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If it helps, Yoshika, I want Yuyuko dead a million times more then you after that reread and I'm starting to notice that Soga does feel pretty off >_> I'm not sure how to actually quantify an example of this "off" other then the totally inconsequential and self-answering questions along with repeated putting off of the reread with a lackluster result in the end, apart from Yoshika reread

But seriously, we need to kill Yuyuko tomorrow. 100%. Now I even have actual reasons other then "She doesn't do crap".

[Punch Hopper]

Kogasa: How about you quote this post instead? Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
You posted more since then, but ugh is there a lot of bad shit in there.

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are you seriously trying to say you think I should be lynched via a sentence you wrote about me on D1

it's not even a good sentence IMO, but all that can be said on the Yoshika vote point is opinionized, my lengthy explanation on the lynch thing is made -because it's the basis of my yuyuko vote at the time-, and

and

it's from my ed1 posts, seriously

your case on why I should be lynched is made off my ed1 posts only

everything is wrong with this

[OOO]

...anyone else think that entire exchange looks a little forced? >_>

meanwhile yuyuko quoting her d1 post as evidence of a kogasa case is chutzpah of the highest degree. yuyuko, could you answer my question?

yuyuko where did you go at the end of yesterday after you called mamizou's self-vote a scum gambit?

i forgot what i was going to ask seiga. so ill just say that if she's town, she should cut out the belitting AtE she aims at everyone who suspects her. it's scummier than the type of AtE youmu was using because you use it to decredit anyone who comes at you. people tomorrow, dont clear seiga just because she's loud and forceful; look at the facts and judge objectively. as of right now i'd put the lynch somewhere between yuyuko kogasa and seiga. yoshika and tojiko are also possibilities although mostly they need to talk more because i dont get the feeling either are very involved in the general flow of the game and it makes them harder to read. marisa and reimu are probably town. this is probably my last post for the day as i have to leave tomorrow morning; dont forget to lynch nue by the end of the day and good luck.

[OOO]

oh right i remember part of what i wanted to say; seiga you missed something from before so i'll requote it

Marisa I don't consider it smart for Mamizou to selfvote and save a really scum suspect who is probably still scum (Yuyuko) when she herself had a decent game up until the end of day 2 where she imploded.  Why is having a decent player die over two scum suspects a better option.  Yuyuko is by no means any more clear she's just alive and now more of a liability than she was day 2.  I don't get this.

I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.

I guess Yuyuko is semi clear.  I wouldn't stop reading her though.

Would like you to explain why suddenly you think Yuyuko is semi-clear (I'm assuming it's because of something Marisa said). This doesn't look like a honest change of opinion. You call Yuyuko likely scum, Marisa says Yuyuko's late D2 seems legit, and then suddenly you're all ears. You've been the stubborn type all game; what changed your mind so easily?

[OOO]

and what i meant by forced exchange earlier was that yuyuko's points were so ludicrous (saying "Kogasa: If you think I want you dead just because, you clearly haven't been reading the few posts I've made closely enough." when yuyuko has barely said anything etc) and so easy to for kogasa to refute that im wondering if they werent deliberate strawman set up just for that purpose.

anyway im really gone now

[Ryuki]

okay, i can buy this happening one time, but twice in the same game is getting kinda sketchy. are you really not reading the flips?

I guess you won't buy it if I claim I was saying it would apply to Miko if she was still alive.

I just tend to forget the flips when looking for evidence. I see something and use it, forgetting if the person is still alive.

Didn't help I made that post at like 10:30pm

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I see something and use it, forgetting if the person is still alive.

I hope you aren't planning on becoming a doctor :c

[NekoNekoRex]

This is your 12 Hour warning

[Faiz]

You know futo, I never considered he actually was a PR since he looked pretty maflord.
A PR plays a lot like how a mafia reads.

But why were you not considering that she could be a PR before the claim? Since you say mafia and PRs play similarly.

Anyway, I guess we're just waiting for a good time to end the day now. Judging from previous days I'd say somewhere around 5-6 PM PST would be good, unless people prefer the normal deadline.

[Kaku Seiga]

I thought about the Nue and Yuyuko was the counter wagon to scum point a bit more and it does make sense in a way to clear her.  I'm just being paranoid.

Ok.  The reason I bought the fakeclaim and didn't want to out why is because I'd rather it not be used meta wise but fuck that, it didn't even work like it usually does so you all can have the reason.
When was the last time scum fakeclaimed cop?  PoR when Pesco tried to hailmary it.  Scum don't usually claim something weak like a cop since there are 4 types and can easily be fucked with by Godfather, framer etc.  Scum in my opinion usually fakeclaim something people percieve as a more important role in a: "Don't you lynch me look I'm the best role in the game." a la watcher doctor tracker )ry.

I mean it looked pretty fucking legit at the end of the day.  Yes had he have claimed something like watcher/doctor a super power, hell yeah I'd have been all over that.  But he claimed a relatively weak role (I know it's a gamebreaker in some setups) and I kept thinking to myself, "Shit he's probably real he isn't trying to be one of those, 'I'm the most important one here, stop lynching me' roles."

[Den-O]

I don't know what the fuck this line is Toziko given that I don't even fos Kogasa like everyone else does for some reason.
" #316 looks like setting up Kogasa even before the town flip happened (actually looks like she knew Youmu would flip town herself)."
Let's nitpick day one when we had all of day 2 to do that.

I was going over D1 again so I noted things that I hadn't on D2, yes.

Soga:
72:Reimu had done things that were silly, but none of the silly things were actually scummy. In the posts directly after I even went into long rants to support my argument wherein I explain WHY it's not scummy, so I'm not sure why you're asking D:
81:See above answer; I explain this in depth in posts directly after. However, this was also just ED1; it was the best I had to go on, but of course, it wasn't anything solid either. The issue with Yuyuko is she never, ever did much better. I guess her d2 post is slightly better but it's still incredibly lackluster and she seriously -never did anything else all game-. It's getting into ultra lurk tier and she shouldn't be allowed into LyLo in any circumstance.
101:...yes, it was weird at the time, but later as I say in my posts she turns into a town read.

All these questions feel like totally inconsequential pokes because the answers can be clearly seen in my posts from D1 :S

I was making a list of things as I read them, so I guess it turned out that way. It was more in order to show a pattern. You did go over the former two not so long later, though, so I'll give you that.

As for the Nue thing, to be honest, if Youmu had flipped scum I still could have gone "Cheering the Youmu wagon without actually getting on it to help the lynch", so, in the end... Nue would have looked bad either way. Partially I was just plain being lazy. *Cough*

I had assumed that your reasoning for grouping the two in the first place was that they were comparable, so "scumbuddies usually don't act so similar". In other words, I thought you were heading towards clearing Nue after Youmu's future scum flip. Why did you group the two together, then?

Yoshika jumped partially because :mikocase: showing a possibility of her wagon actually picking up, and partially from unimpressment from her D2 content, partially as the content mostly consisted on stuff on me that I DO remember defending myself against and not really buying, although if she made another thing later on in the day I guess I probably sort of breezed past it. The wagon wasn't in danger of picking up and I'd already defended myself against her, and I might have figured it wasn't worth the effort. Or maybe I couldn't see good ways to refute it. I don't really remember my thought processes from that far back.

This is a problem because my reason for asking was because you didn't state your thought process back then either. Saying in hindsight that "there was a case and she acted such and such" is easy - we can't know if you thought the same back then or you're just looking for reasons to justify this now. Nue was a wagon but Miko made a case and wagons had yet to solidify. Those were some key opinions.

YoSHika noT acTUal See oPioNIon...

Questioning means I'm waffling working on that.

NoT KNow whaT mEaniNG...

The initial vote looked more like you were fed up with Reimu's play. The other reasons come later.

YoSHikA ThINK mISrePREsENt!
TruTh EvERyONe on WAgON giVe exAct SAMe reASon!
SHoW YOshiKA WHo oRIginAl reASOn for VoTE HalfBreed!

You noted that scumbuddies would have no problem jumping on the wagon, so I expected that you suspected some jumps as bus votes. In hindsight, it was more in response to Reimu's "scum gonna slip", so nevermind about this. >_>

YoSHikA alsO WONder wHAt MeaN By SimilAr to HAlfbREed WaGon...

Voicing suspicion towards wagons, opting to vote Reimu -> Kogasa instead. It's not like trying to be more productive with your vote is unheard of, but I do think that this is bordering on outright avoiding the main wagons. Especially if it's happening more than once.

[Ryuki]

Ok.  The reason I bought the fakeclaim and didn't want to out why is because I'd rather it not be used meta wise but fuck that, it didn't even work like it usually does so you all can have the reason.
When was the last time scum fakeclaimed cop?  PoR when Pesco tried to hailmary it.  Scum don't usually claim something weak like a cop since there are 4 types and can easily be fucked with by Godfather, framer etc.  Scum in my opinion usually fakeclaim something people percieve as a more important role in a: "Don't you lynch me look I'm the best role in the game." a la watcher doctor tracker )ry.

I mean it looked pretty fucking legit at the end of the day.  Yes had he have claimed something like watcher/doctor a super power, hell yeah I'd have been all over that.  But he claimed a relatively weak role (I know it's a gamebreaker in some setups) and I kept thinking to myself, "Shit he's probably real he isn't trying to be one of those, 'I'm the most important one here, stop lynching me' roles."

I don't have the previous e xperience and knowledge you have. Much shorter life. I'm not even in my twenties, you're in your 4 digits. I don't have this prior knowledge to call upon and shape my experiance. If Nue preyed on your previous experise, that makes more sense now.

However, I do fail to see how you would consider a Cop role weak. We don't know what is in this setup, but most setups have some kind of cop. It's as generic and ubiquitous a role as a Villager. When the roles involved are unknown, a Cop claim is a pretty safe one for scum to fake.

[Ryuki]

Aside from the above I have little else to add really. My curiosity on Seiga is sated, and not much has came up I feel much need to comment on, because my opinions have not changed much, and I don't have much time to re-read right now and put parts of the puzzle together.