Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[Faiz]

Nue was not going to be lynched because with Miko supporting her claim, people were more likely to believe Mamizou was lying, considering Miko was in general very town looking.

Why did Marisa unvote Nue when Yoshika had shown support for the lynch just beforehand?

Because scum is likely to selfhammer in order to cut discussion short if possible. I wanted to avoid this to let everyone get their opinions out there.

I'll also note that Yoshika had just left and there was no guarantee that she would be back before deadline.

[Ryuki]

Because scum is likely to selfhammer in order to cut discussion short if possible. I wanted to avoid this to let everyone get their opinions out there.

I'll also note that Yoshika had just left and there was no guarantee that she would be back before deadline.

Makes sense, but still, would have saved us losing a town role [albeit a meh one] and it's not like the discussion that wasn't cut short didn't confirm anything we didn't already know, although it threw a few question marks on Seiga with her reactions I pointed out above.

[Faiz]

Your position on this is completely mind-boggling, and if you truly think wanting town to have more information is scum motivated (I think it's null at worst), I have no idea what to say to you.

[W]

Yeah Marisa's unvote isn't anything bad

[Ryuki]

Your position on this is completely mind-boggling, and if you truly think wanting town to have more information is scum motivated (I think it's null at worst), I have no idea what to say to you.

Nah, I'm saying your logic is right. I'm saying the end result was not good, or what you wanted. The end result =/= motivation, now you've explained the situation.

The end fact is still we may have been able to lynch Nue yesterday if you hadn't unvoted. That's it. It's just hindsight. Initially I was a little skeptical, until you gave reasoning.

[Decade]

I know the circumstances leading to this, but why are all of you treating me of 100% scum? With Miko's claim doesn't that tell you there was a 50% chance Mamizou WAS safeguarded? Why wouldn't anyone consider the possibility that Mamizou was bluffing or got her results misled or anything? For all you know all of you might be deciding to really vote the Cop right now[/u].

Well after today if everyone's still up for my lynch then whatever I can't really do anything about this (╯雷）╯︵ ┻━┻  After I flip town I suggest everyone just acknowledge just how beastly the scumteam's driving this game around and forfeit. Why bother scumhunting anymore when scum roles are just making everyone tapdance to their beck and call like this.

[Kaku Seiga]

Were you the epitome of town I would consider role shenanigans.  But since you're pretty scum it's fine since you're flipping scum. 

Anyway.  I bought his fakeclaim yesterday because it felt right with how he had been playing all game.  I was wrong, whoops.  Where did I act relived Reimu?  I guess that makes me scum for being active during the end of the day.  No need to worry about that from me for the rest of the game.  You all swing the end of the day however you please from now on. 

And whoever said Mamizou selfvoting insta made her town.  No scum or town would do that so it was a null tell.  An assbackwards nulltell considering she had her role cc almost lynched.

Marisa I don't consider it smart for Mamizou to selfvote and save a really scum suspect who is probably still scum (Yuyuko) when she herself had a decent game up until the end of day 2 where she imploded.  Why is having a decent player die over two scum suspects a better option.  Yuyuko is by no means any more clear she's just alive and now more of a liability than she was day 2.  I don't get this.

In other news Toziko prod dodging and running off again still confirms her as scum.  Yay tomorrow's lynch.

[W]

Mamizou said you successfully preformed your action, seems pretty straightforward to me. IF she's bluffing, uh... there's nothing we can do about that, but I'd like to think she knows better then to outright lie about action results.

Miko's power doesn't have any functionalities that could have messed that up anyway >_> She gives people a QT, she isn't some bus driver or something.

Also lulz at "After I flip town you should all just give up". Seriously? >_> This isn't even the scum driving the game around if you ARE town, because someone who is confirmed town has counterclaimed you, which is totally out of scum's hands.

The difference between townflail and scumflail as said earlier is that scumflail tends to be lulzier. And this looks pretty lulzy, I've gotta say :V Most of the stuff you're saying is just ridiculous. I'm only humoring it because siiiigh Soga and Futo and Yuyuko and Yoshika haven't said anything and waiting is getting boring.

Seiga re: mami selfvote:It didn't make her town, but it certainly didn't make her scum either, and the claim DID make her town, as explained in my post

[OOO]

uh, yeah. lynch today is pretty much nue so we should do the opposite of what the lamers in notv did and take a free day to discuss at our own pace.

In other news Toziko prod dodging and running off again still confirms her as scum.  Yay tomorrow's lynch.[/color]

tojiko's post:

Will be thoroughly analyzing the latest mess of a dayend along with people in general today. Nue is today's lynch, though. (I think we're at 3 votes out of 5)Counterwagon to soon-to-be-flipped scum.

PS my towntells suck, getting a new gut.

yuyuko's post:

##Vote Nue

:/

anyway will have more to say after dinner. but seriously there's no rush; seiga you're being silly.

[Faiz]

I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.

Anyway, Mamizou probably would have been lynched today, with Miko's claim.

I guess that makes me scum for being active during the end of the day.  No need to worry about that from me for the rest of the game.  You all swing the end of the day however you please from now on.

Not liking the AtE here.

Reading Nue's posts again kind of makes me want to kill Kogasa actually.

[W]

Anyway, Mamizou probably would have been lynched today, with Miko's claim.

[Faiz]

If Yuyuko had been lynched yesterday, I think Mamizou would have been lynched today, because of Miko's post here supporting Nue's claim. This is why I think Mamizou's selfvote was a good thing for town.

[Faiz]

Reading Nue's posts again kind of makes me want to kill Kogasa actually.

Specifically, things like

Haven't had any problems with Kogasa yet, but there also isn't enough content from her to get a clear read for now.

and

For some reason Kogasa feels like she's backing away from all of this. She only makes fairly obvious and easy responses, and at first she went "Eh I'll read on Nue tomorrow" but now she goes "you guys took the words about Nue from my mouth ;_;". Feels like a lurker.

etc. Basically mentioning Kogasa just because, but not actually saying if she's town or scum.

[NekoNekoRex]

You have 48 hours left in the day. No votecount changes.

[Punch Hopper]

Hi.

Lynching Kogasa after we're done with Nue indeed sounds like a good idea. Not really interested in lynching Marisa anymore.

[NekoNekoRex]

Miyako Yoshika has been prodded

[Kaku Seiga]

Yes Futo.  She has one opinion about Yuyuko.  It's a prod dodge.

@Mod:  When you say there is no change in votecount can you just copy paste the votecount anyway?  Thank you in advance.

Kogasa, I see that's why Mamizou was town now. 

I guess Yuyuko is semi clear.  I wouldn't stop reading her though.  I'd like a more solid case on Kogasa because the current one is grasping at weak interactions.

And Marisa I really don't give a fuck about what you think of my current emotions.  I'm still mad about how the end of day 2 turned out.

[NekoNekoRex]

>V-V-Votecount!
Houjuu Nue (3): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Kaku Seiga, Hakurei Reimu (L-2)
Kaku Seiga (1): Kirisame Marisa
Not Voting: Miyako Yoshika, Mononobe no Futo, Tatara Kogasa, Houjuu Nue, Hakurei Reimu
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have 47 hours left in the day.

As purr request :3

[OOO]

Yes Futo.  She has one opinion about Yuyuko.  It's a prod dodge.

I was more trying to ask you why you skipped over the obvious prod dodger to snipe at the other, especially when you apparently hadn't cleared either.

Marisa I don't consider it smart for Mamizou to selfvote and save a really scum suspect who is probably still scum (Yuyuko) when she herself had a decent game up until the end of day 2 where she imploded.  Why is having a decent player die over two scum suspects a better option.  Yuyuko is by no means any more clear she's just alive and now more of a liability than she was day 2.  I don't get this.

I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.

I guess Yuyuko is semi clear.  I wouldn't stop reading her though.

Would like you to explain why suddenly you think Yuyuko is semi-clear (I'm assuming it's because of something Marisa said). This doesn't look like a honest change of opinion. You call Yuyuko likely scum, Marisa says Yuyuko's late D2 seems legit, and then suddenly you're all ears. You've been the stubborn type all game; what changed your mind so easily?

I'd like a more solid case on Kogasa because the current one is grasping at weak interactions.

Did you not read the non-interaction cases several people (including me) posted earlier? Seriously.

[OOO]

oh fuck i used caps. never again.

yuyuko where did you go at the end of yesterday after you called mamizou's self-vote a scum gambit?

anyway, seiga, what people are trying to say is this:
yesterday, you're on nue's case all day. you attack her while voting soga all day. you push other people to vote nue. you make several cases on why nue is scum. overall you have a lot of conviction on nue scum.
then nue claims cop. you immediately believe her and suddenly you're saying stuff like this:

Marisa if you're going to play this game where you are waiting to justify voting the town PR.  I'm onto you.

Anyway.  I bought his fakeclaim yesterday because it felt right with how he had been playing all game. I was wrong, whoops.

if you thought being a pr fit his play then why weren't you taking that into account when you were voting him all day? one pr claim and then suddenly everything you said about him is null and void and he gets a free pass? feels suspiciously like how affinity dealt with px in path of radiance after px claimed tracker.

[OOO]

pedit:
if you thought being a pr fit his play then why weren't you taking that into account when you were attacking him all day?
not voting, since you weren't voting him most of the day.

[OOO]

no actually this is what i want to ask
what do you think a pr plays like and how did you think it fit his play?

[Kiva-la]

YoshiKA noT MAny tiME to rEAd...
YoSHika firsT say WanT ALieN Vote fOR reAson YoshiKA noT say!
YoSHIkA seCond say YoshiKA bacK LAter!

[Kiva-la]

YOShika alSO QuicK saY stILl not lIke crAzy UmbreLLa but NoT tiME!

[Ryuki]

Where did I act relived Reimu?

Oh a miracle can occur.

Also, Nue, if you ARE town you've done a horrible job at it anyway. Most of us were about to lynch you D2 anyway for massively flawed logic, and flip-flopping with your votes.

Now you've been CC'ed and proven wrong.

By the way, let's hear what you got last night. You know, just for the sake of asking. Might be your one lifeline.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Mamizou

Calling the wagon shifting from Nue to Mamizou a miracle seems like relief to me.

[Ryuki]

Also, Nue, if you ARE town you've done a horrible job at it anyway. Most of us were about to lynch you D2 anyway for massively flawed logic, and flip-flopping with your votes.

Now you've been CC'ed and proven wrong.

By the way, let's hear what you got last night. You know, just for the sake of asking. Might be your one lifeline.

This should not be in the above quote, this is different reasoning, mouse derp made it derp into the quote above.

[Den-O]

... Terrible time management. This won't happen again. Reading.

I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.

Easy answer to that would be that she thought it was, in fact, the better counterwagon.

May as well note that LD2 Nue connections and latest posts are making me feel a lot better about Marisa.

[NekoNekoRex]

>V-V-Votecount!
Houjuu Nue (3): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Kaku Seiga, Hakurei Reimu (L-2)
Kaku Seiga (1): Kirisame Marisa
Not Voting: Miyako Yoshika, Mononobe no Futo, Tatara Kogasa, Houjuu Nue, Hakurei Reimu
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have 35 hours left in the day.

There continues to be no change in the votecount totals

[OOO]

As a sidenote, it would be nice if we could drag this day out as long as possible because I'm going to have no internet access on Saturday/Sunday/Monday EST, so yeah.

[OOO]

@mod: requesting V/LA for that time period