Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[Kabuto]

I'll admit my Sanae vote was kind of random and I don't even fully remember why I made it.  That's what I get for trying to play while half asleep.

I have like 5 minutes right now so I can't even try to put together a case  :ohdear:  I promise I'll do it when I have time though.

Anyways, from what I can remember I'm ok with Mamizou or Sanae right now, though neither seem very likely.


Since I'm going to be away until near the deadline I'm going to claim Vanilla Townie now.

[Faiz]

Since I'm going to be away until near the deadline I'm going to claim Vanilla Townie now.

No flavor?

[Kabuto]

Flavor is "Raw Potato" due to the Half human half ghost and half baked title.

[Ryuki]

If the case is indeed that you are Vanilla Town, then lynching you is a better lynch than randomly lynching and hitting a power role.

Worst case is that you are indeed a 'nilla townie.

Best case is you are scum.

Unless you're a PR that doesn't want to out when you're about to be lynched.

[Faiz]

YoSHIka tHINk Mean lady ScUM unTIL AcTIOn say OTherWise!
YoshiKa moRe UnderStand meaN LAdy REceNT bUT still no CASe!
YOShikA ThiNK YOSHika do thIS thoUgh beCause more UNDerstAND...
##Unvote, Vote Kogasa Tatara

Hm. Well, I don't think you'll be able to lynch Kogasa today, as almost nobody else has shown interest in it, and it's somewhat close to deadline. Seems like a pointless vote.

When you say "more understand" in the third line, what are you referring to?

Not convinced by the claim.

[Kabuto]

Of course you're not convinced, vanilla isn't exactly the most convincing claim.

[Kaku Seiga]

It seems I have taught Miko the arts of Tao scumhunting well.  I enjoy her posts.

Since Youmu resorted to appeasement and ATE we're getting a scumlynch today.  Isn't everyone happy?
I don't know why she thought it relevant to justify her defense against me with how Reimu read her since we're two different people. 

D1 trend I'm noticing: the more vocal players tend to be voted simply due to more content > more ways to build a case.  Perhaps I should try being less vocal in future games?

This is a fairly ridiculous appeasement and does nothing but try to garner pity from the emotion aspect.  That and it's dead wrong, Jesus Christ.

Marisa is noted for being a fairly passive person overall and her jump on the Youmu wagon is one of the weaker votes.

I'm pretty sure Reimu is trying to milk the dumbcard for all it's worth at this point.  First, no just because you started the RVS end event does not mean that you aren't a sheep since you pretty much did just sheep the Youmu wagon.  It's a ludicrous statement for her to say she doesn't have any reasons on anyone about who she should suspect and why.  I don't get why she thinks it's a valid fear that I haven't shown up to make more about the Youmu wagon before she votes it when I'm leading it. 
Her post claim justification for the lynch is kinda "well no shit" but the claim as a whole is meh and Youmu is flipping scum so I'm ready.

Knowing that Nue spent the majority of the day voting someone she didn't think is scum is something I need to reread and look into.  I'll have it in a few hours.

[Kabuto]

Since Youmu resorted to appeasement and ATE we're getting a scumlynch today.  Isn't everyone happy?
I don't know why she thought it relevant to justify her defense against me with how Reimu read her since we're two different people. 

It's a shame you're wrong.
When I flip vanilla town and not red scum (or blue power role like 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman).

The D1 trend thing was an observation that everyone seem to absolutely hate, even though it's true.  I'll concede the vocal player doesn't always get lynched but it's true.

Seiga, I feel that you have the incorrect assumption that I'm scum and are basing a lot of opinions around that, discarding my reasonings as AtE/just being wrong.

Next post will have
comment on Nue
explain voteswitch to Sanae
explain Mamizou
explain why Yoshika looked better

I'm doing this against my better judgment since it's cutting into time spent visiting my grandparents and it'll probably change nothing anyway.  (and if you call this an AtE, you're right.  but since I know I'm town lynching me won't help us win so I'm going to defend myself before it's too late)

[Decade]

I'm baaack~
So after rereading everyone:

Reimu reads town for the time being. As someone had said (Kogasa I think) her gambit was ineffective and would draw quite a lot of attention to her, which scum would not want at all. She had also produced reasonable opinions on other players, so she seems fine.

Miko reads town. She puts in decent amounts of effort considering her short stay, and her opinions are logical and reasonable. Yoshika's play looks better now that she's diversifying her views and opinions -slightly-, and in retrospect her kind of push would be ill-advised for scum to do, so she's leaning town at the moment. It'd still help if she produces more content on people though, for quite a long time while she was pushing for Reimu she could have analyze Youmu's, Kogasa's and my votes on her and give good opinions, but the ones she did give consisted of just one line. Similiar to Miko, Seiga puts effort and logic into her content, so she also reads town at the moment. No particular problems with Soga and Tojiko's posts thus far, but they haven't quite posted enough to get a clear read on them yet, etc. Now move along, Miko and her gang.

Mamizou still hasn't produced opinions on other players yet, will continue staring at her until she does. Mamizou feels like she's just jumping on Reimu's failed gambit for an easy vote with no :effort:. Also, again, I don't see why it matters whether Reimu still suspects Yuyuko or not, Mamizou should stop pursuing this fact unless she gives a good reason to.

Sanae's initial case on Youmu is pretty argh. She says that she's voting Youmu for voting Yoshika for no other clear reasons than her disliking Yoshika's push, but then again Sanae's reason was pretty similiar to Youmu's too, so wouldn't that mean trying to vote a person for their method of pursuing their lynch targets something townies also do? Would like to see Sanae post more, especially on whole-people.

Marisa and Yuyuko...I would like to see more from them to be able to form proper opinions.

Youmu's play is argh. After her bandwagon started to build up she started to trip left and right, then later blamed it on lack of sleep (maybe it was true, I wouldn't know). And since she earlier slapped a random vote on Sanae in the middle of the crossfire, I want her to post her opinions on Sanae asap. Considering how she was voting Yoshika for her push, the fact that she dropped the vote just cause after rereading Yoshika makes no sense as at the time Yoshika was still upholding her Reimu push. And yes the "oh yeah yer rite Sanae IS hypocritical *OMGUS*" is horrible. Right now I'd rather see Youmu lynched above everyone else, but I'd rather wait some time for all the lurkers/inactives to posts something instead of ending day early, so I'll vote Youmu later.

Haven't had any problems with Kogasa yet, but there also isn't enough content from her to get a clear read for now.

-cut-
Okay, finally hopefully an explanation for all this. :V

[Kick Hopper]

Mamizou still hasn't produced opinions on other players yet, will continue staring at her until she does. Mamizou feels like she's just jumping on Reimu's failed gambit for an easy vote with no :effort:. Also, again, I don't see why it matters whether Reimu still suspects Yuyuko or not, Mamizou should stop pursuing this fact unless she gives a good reason to.

Make me 

[Kick Hopper]

Jkjk

Ive been keeping tabs on youmu since the day started with that soga business.

Yuyuko probably plans to lurk out he day/game do to failed policy lynch.

I have voiced previously about these 2. If youre implying i should mention everyone including my town/null reads go jump out a window.

[Decade]

Okay, if you've been keeping tabs on Youmu, what have you noticed about her?

[Kabuto]

Yoshika looked better to me because I noticed that she had been consistent.  I'll admit my view of her more recent stuff was influenced by thinking she was scum, when I looked again without that assumption I reached the opposite conclusion.  I still think the way she pushed Reimu was scummy, but that's 1 scummy thing and several townie things as opposed to many scummy things.

I switched to Sanae partly off of the supposed hypocrisy (still kind of see it as that but whatever), and repeated pushing points I thought were already explained and...in hindsight I guess I don't see anything else.  As mentioned that's what I get for posting while half asleep.  ##Unvote

I think now a quote from NNR is useful.  "BREAKING NEWS.. PLAYER RE-READS GAME, GETS DIFFERENT OPINIONS"

I didn't explain it as well as I could have, but having a different opinion after re-reading isn't scummy.

Nue's play was pretty similar to mine, and after the divergence I don't really see any problems.

Now, you might notice I've unvoted but haven't voted anyone else.  You'll also notice every vote I've had has been on a different player.  This has been due to voting the player at the time I found scummiest, which has changed with time.  So, I need a vote.

##Vote: Mamizou

Reasons: Lots of posts, hasn't exactly done very much.  Her posts are usually asking a single question, in some cases that's already been answered to some extent.  #181 is pretty much her longest post, which brings up my (admittedly weak) Soga vote that was from pseudo-RVS in an attempt to discredit my question to Seiga.

When I likely end up lynched today I urge everyone to take a second look at Seiga.

-cut-
Right, Yuyuko is playing this game...I'll check up on her some more when I get home in about 4-5 hours.

[Kick Hopper]

Ehhhhhhhh idk if i want to make a non one liners on my phone let me think on it.

[Den-O]

The D1 trend thing was an observation that everyone seem to absolutely hate, even though it's true.  I'll concede the vocal player doesn't always get lynched but it's true.

I believe someone mentioned a 'Serelapony' earlier? Whatever that may be, I feel it would make a good counterargument.

Seiga, I feel that you have the incorrect assumption that I'm scum and are basing a lot of opinions around that, discarding my reasonings as AtE/just being wrong.

Do you actually have an opinion on Miss Seiga for this or is this purely to discredit her case? --cut. Is this your reason for urging everyone to look at Seiga, then?

Miss Kogasa, where exactly did your vote on Miss Yuyuko disappear to after your switch to Yoshika?

No particular problems with Soga and Tojiko's posts thus far, but they haven't quite posted enough to get a clear read on them yet, etc.

Excuse me?

[Kabuto]

I believe someone mentioned a 'Serelapony' earlier? Whatever that may be, I feel it would make a good counterargument.

Serela wasn't voted ED1, but was voted LD1 after being vocal and ended up lynched.  That's beside the point though.

Do you actually have an opinion on Miss Seiga for this or is this purely to discredit her case? --cut. Is this your reason for urging everyone to look at Seiga, then?

I don't like Seiga right now, I don't have anything concrete but I'm reading her as leaning scum.  I'm not trying to discredit her case (completely, I guess there was a little in there), but to try to get her to reconsider.

[Decade]

I mean you and Soga hasn't really posted many things from which I can deduce intent/motivation yet.

[Decade]

**You and Futo
:FACEPALM:

Always get you two mixed up.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

>V-V-Votecount!
Konpaku Youmu (6): Kirisame Marisa, Kaku Seiga, Kochiya Sanae, Toyosatomimi no Miko, Kasodani Kyouko, Hakurei Reimu
Futatsuiwa Mamizou (2): Houjuu Nue, Konpaku Youmu
Hakurei Reimu (2): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Futatsuiwa Mamizou
Houjuu Nue (1): Mononobe no Futo,
Miyako Yoshika (1): Tatara Kogasa
Tatara Kogasa (1): Miyako Yoshika
Not Voting: Soga no Toziko
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have 10 hours left in the day!

Youmu is at L-2!

[Punch Hopper]

Fuck :time:

##Unvote
##Vote Kogasa

Read all of what she posted today, aka defending the newbie 101. Vote accordingly.

[Decade]

Fuck :time:

##Unvote
##Vote Kogasa

Read all of what she posted today, aka defending the newbie 101. Vote accordingly.

Aaaand you skipped the rest?
How is defending the newbie scummy? Or is this a kind of PL?

[Kick Hopper]

Fuck :time:

##Unvote
##Vote Kogasa

Read all of what she posted today, aka defending the newbie 101. Vote accordingly.

would you like a normal tree or the saigyou ayakashi?

[Punch Hopper]

Aaaand you skipped the rest?
How is defending the newbie scummy? Or is this a kind of PL?

Skimmed. No time for more today. Can say I don't want Youmu lynched as it stands.
It's scummy in that her Yoshika vote is contrived, most of her other content is either defending the newbie or lengthy waffly explanations of her thoughts on the merits of policy lynching. The end.
Bad content + lack of content = scum

Right. Mamizou, what makes you think I'm scum.

[Ryuki]

Aaaand you skipped the rest?
How is defending the newbie scummy? Or is this a kind of PL?

Basically this.

Youmu jumps on Sanae for no apparent reason, and jumped on Soga before for the same complete lack of reason.

Kogasa defended someone who elevated the discussion from mindlessly pointing fingers to having a general consensus or two... one of which is probably I'm an idiot.

I mean, you could be voting me for my gambit, or Yoshika for her pushing on me so hard, or Mamizou for one-liners and pressing when I changed m mind, or Youmu for the reasons everyone else has stated many, many times already.

I don't see any reason to vote Kogasa. If you, and, for that matter, Yoshika, could explain more clearly what makes Kogasa scummy besides standing up for me, I'd appreciate it. Because standing up for someone who is drawing tons of attention right at the start of D1, when there's a history of the vocal ones being lynched D1, seems foolish.

Especially since your argument falls apart on the policy and meta you've been basing your own arguments off of, such as your reason to lynch me for even mentioning a D1 NL. Since the meta is that the vocal ones die D1, so why would scum want to draw attention?

Whichmakes me likly town, albeit, dumbtown, following the meta and policy you cling to, and thus, Kogasa is right in defending me.

[Ryuki]

On that note now would be a good time for us to hear from Kogasa too.

[Kabuto]

Youmu jumps on Sanae for no apparent reason, and jumped on Soga before for the same complete lack of reason.

Soga was still pseudo-RVS (and was an attempt to get the game going), Sanae was while half asleep and bad judgment on my part.

[Ryuki]

Soga was still pseudo-RVS (and was an attempt to get the game going), Sanae was while half asleep and bad judgment on my part.

It's still more substance to go on that voting Kogasa for defending someone who the general consensus is that they are town. [Even if they're dumb]

[Den-O]

Since the meta is that the vocal ones die D1, so why would scum want to draw attention?

No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.

Whichmakes me likly town, albeit, dumbtown, following the meta and policy you cling to, and thus, Kogasa is right in defending me.

Being right about something doesn't make one town, my sincerest apologies. In this case, Miss Kogasa's act of defending you may be "right" but it is also non-contributory and an easy way for scum to get away with posting. I see why people are interested in this lynch. Personally, I want to hear more from Miss Kogasa first.

[W]

'kay back. Internet was kind of sketchy this morning >_> Anyway.

Gonna reread and stuff in a minute, but from skimming

A.While I still don't like Yoshika, her activity and pushiness makes me reluctantly admit she seems townish
##Unvote
B.A good bit of the reason I was defending Reimu like that is, as Miko said, because it was the basis of my vote on Yuyuko; the explanation was support for my vote on her, as it's why I was doing so.
C.I like how Yuyuko says "lol didn't do anything after that" when Yuyuko has been "lol not doing anything after that"

But to be less way-too-skimpy about my yuyuko opinion (and I don't have to read what's happened since I last REALLY looked, because yuyuko hasn't posted since then apart from those two here), she's basically voted Reimu for suggesting No-Lynch and then voted me for my explanation of why I voted her (Because that's a good chunk of what the defending is; my explanation for my vote on her)

Yuyuko opinion is -- would vote again

opinions on other people/things that have happened since then coming in a bit

[W]

also before rereads and stuff; Yoshika's pushiness isn't clearing her for me at all, so don't take what I said that way. It's pretty much just her saying "BUT APPEASEMENT, BUT 1v1" etc and there's several people who are still pushy when they're scum.

I also keep having to remember it's incredibly unlikely she's UK but aaaaaaa it's Yoshika so it's hard to unsee (This is more because of just the character rather then how the player has actually been acting)