Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[Kiva-la]

YoshIKa beLIEve MEAN laDy scUm unTIL ReasON otHERwise givEN!
MAYbe mORE than aPPeasEment AND DEFEndING!

[Kiva-la]

That, and her attitude irks me. She responds to but does not recognizes the weight of the situation at hand and the responses of other people. She needs to take this a little bit more seriously.

AlIEn tHINk YOshIKA scuM for wAY YoshiKA taLk?

[Decade]

No. Just a suggestion. Your way of talking (or your attitude) is not part of the reason I'm voting you :V

And Nue is not an alien. You people imagined the appearances of the UFOs yourself :getdown:

[Kiva-la]

NoT aLIeN...?
THen... Nu... New... NeW!

[Kiva-la]

YosHIka see LoTS viEWer BUt no POST!
MakE YoShikA anGER!

[Kabuto]

YosHIKA wonder if HaLFbreED Do saME thinkING...
HAlFbreeD sAY THink DiffereNt inTERpreTAtION but reFUse seE YoshikA intErpreTAtion!

I've thought about the alternative, but I believe more strongly in my interpretation even after considering the other possibilities.

NoT aLIeN...?
THen... Nu... New... NeW!

"Noo-eh"  I said it wrong at first too.

[Ouja]

Ugh, sorry for being sporadic. I guess I can't fault Marisa anymore, though. :derp: ##Unvote

I'm a little miffed because it feels like this is just a matter of different people having different interpretations, none of which are necessarily wrong.

Since Reimu is gone for now, Yoshika's argument is kind of at a standstill. Yoshika, what do you think about Nue and Youmu and their voting you?

Anyway, I'd say Youmu is pretty suspicious at the moment, mainly for her lackluster vote on Yoshika.  Nue to a lesser extent, although she's clarified her case slightly.

##Vote: Konpaku Youmu

Youmu, can you clarify your stance on Yoshika? Restate/clarify your interpretation of Reimu's actions while you're at it, since they're interrelated.

[Kiva-la]

I've thought about the alternative, but I believe more strongly in my interpretation even after considering the other possibilities.

WoRDing mEaN HAlfbREed thINK YOShika thinKING Valid?
BEcaUse bElieVE moRE stROng MEan ALso beLIEve YOShikA iNTerpreTAtion JuST nOT AS much.
ThEN wHY voTE YOShiKA?

I've thought about the alternative, but I believe more strongly in my interpretation even after considering the other possibilities."Noo-eh"  I said it wrong at first too.

Nuu... Nuu... eH... NuNU! ALiEN!

[Kiva-la]

Since Reimu is gone for now, Yoshika's argument is kind of at a standstill. Yoshika, what do you think about Nue and Youmu and their voting you?

YoshiKA NO liKE cRAzy UMBreLLA!
YOShiKA ThINK HAlFbrEed anD aLIen nOT GOod bUT yoSHIkA liKE ALieN!
YosHIka lIKe boTh More than craZY umBRellA!

[Kaku Seiga]

Responding to each line in turn, first link I was weighing in on what had happened since I last posted and giving my opinions on the matters at hand.  I hardly see the problem with that.

Weighing in with no content and fluff.  Smashing.

Second link is the same thing, weighing on on what happened while I was away.  I asked the questions because I didn't have answers for them, I have been reading Mamizou (and not always understanding what's being referred to).  I didn't realize that the 3rd link was "validation" for calling Reimu scummy-I don't see it.  Additionally if stating my opinions is arrogant then I'm guilty as charged.

>come back to 30 posts
>see virtually nothing was accomplished in them
This is arrogance.  Quit playin'.
Yes, you weigh in here with a few basic throwaway questions.  This is apparent they're throwaway because of how you treated the one directed at Mamizou.  Your question was already answered and you chose to just ask some "I got activity, lookin' good gaiz" questions.  I don't see this as scumhunting but as pretending to scumhunt.

Fourth link does not show I'm not reading the game.  If anything it shows I am reading the game, as I responded to new developments.  If I wasn't reading the game I wouldn't be posting.

If you're not reading the game then you're just being really dense. 
"and see Yoshika...trolling?"
You wrote her roleplaying off as trolling without considering what was inside of the posts.  You then proceed to vote her based on that assumption.  The reasons are there so it's not just a blank push on Reimu.  Your refusal to acknowledge any of these points and instead just vote her for pushing Reimu justifies me in this read.

You don't support the wagon on Yoshika because of how you interpreted Reimu's actions, did you consider that someone else interpreting Reimu's actions differently would see Yoshika in a different light?

This is the difference between you and Nue.  She points out why she doesn't like the parts of Yoshika's case and you wrote her off as trolling and called it good.  I still don't agree with Nue that Yoshika is scum, but I can see where her thoughts are coming from.

[Ouja]

Yoshika, what exactly is worse about Kogasa over Nue and Youmu?

[Ouja]

That is, I would think Youmu and Nue were worse (Youmu more so) because they seemed a little more like they were jumping on an easy target (since Yoshika is being somewhat obtuse) while Kogasa was more the starter of the wagon with what I think is a somewhat reasonable vote. Those are my two cents, so I'm wondering if I overlooked something.

[Kaku Seiga]

No, you're doing wonderful my dear.  Mind if I have a peek at your personal belongings?

[Kiva-la]

*Facedesk*

Would vote Yoshika.

Out of the reasons to vote Reimu, I think "trying to force 1v1" is one of the most ridiculous someone could do.

YosHIka no UNDerSTanD!
MEaN LADY attEMpt force 1v1!
ArGUE otheRWIse no SEnse!

Yes, Reimu's list and entire plan are way overthought and based on some faulty logic.

I fail to see how she's actually scum.

CrAZy UMBrellA nO uNDERstAND in VALIEnT deFENsE.
YoSHIKA tHINK defenSE BAD!

Eh, NL is gross. D2 practically becomes an extended D1 with a N0 where scum get to kill. Even a town lynch is generally preferrable.

What's worse is the opportunistic vote that follows. Reimu is silly, but not scummy!

##Unvote:Hakurei Reimu
##Vote: Saigyouji Yuyuko

Besides, you're acting like people would actually consider following through on it. It's not beneficial to scum to suggest that because there's no way in hell it'd actually happen. It's null.

YOsHIKA think COntRADicTION!
CRazy uMBRella VOTE for SayING no LYnch But ThEN sAY noBODY woulD ACtualLY no LYNCH!

Okay, I'll explain my thought process here  :3

If Reimu sincerely thinks NL is a good idea, it's entirely reasonable for her to suggest it as either alignment. If she already knows it's a bad idea, she's not going to suggest it as town... and being scum isn't going to make her go "I should suggest this bad idea!  :]" because she knows it's bad and that it won't help her to suggest it.

At worst (In terms of town/scum reading from the action) it shows she's a liability, more reasonably it's what Soga said, and at best it shows... still completely null, and it's not any more likely she's scum then someone else.

tl;dr your vote is for "Bad idea that isn't any more likely to come from scum then town", which means it pretty much isn't scumhunting.

Hooray overanalysis!

*Facedesk*

If someone actually got policy lynched for suspecting that I'd have to start hitting people with my umbrella. Implying she did something that carried risk of getting her policy lynched is a little melodramatic.

Yuyuko:No, I don't realize.  :ohdear: Maybe if there was one or two people who might actually go for it (even though it didn't actually happen), but there isn't.

As for the matter of lurkers, D1 going-after-lurkers is too situational of a topic for me to address, as there's no blanket answer there. Moving on.

Mamizou now you're just being weird. >_> You're asking somewhat-loaded (but mostly silly) questions at this point.

YOshIKA SEe nOTHing bUT defendING MEAn LADY!
WhY defEND?

[Kiva-la]

YOSHikA thINK halFBREEd ANd alIEN jUSt no BRaiN!
LikE YoshIKA or muTTOn...

... YosHikA HUngRY...

[Kiva-la]

Yoshika also NEED sAY crazY UMbrelLa tRY MAke ALl ActIVitY nuLL by SayING evERYThiNG meAN NOthING!

[Kabuto]

Youmu, can you clarify your stance on Yoshika? Restate/clarify your interpretation of Reimu's actions while you're at it, since they're interrelated.

I believe that Reimu had a plan, put it into motion and then it was pointed at that it wouldn't work, at which point she backed down.  I also believe Yoshika is scummy due to the way she's pushing for Reimu-repeating a statement over and over doesn't make it true.

This is apparent they're throwaway because of how you treated the one directed at Mamizou.  Your question was already answered and you chose to just ask some "I got activity, lookin' good gaiz" questions.  I don't see this as scumhunting but as pretending to scumhunt.
If you're not reading the game then you're just being really dense.
"and see Yoshika...trolling?"
You wrote her roleplaying off as trolling without considering what was inside of the posts.  You then proceed to vote her based on that assumption.  The reasons are there so it's not just a blank push on Reimu.  Your refusal to acknowledge any of these points and instead just vote her for pushing Reimu justifies me in this read.

I typed in the question -before- Mamizou answered it.  The latter question towards her was not answered as far as I could tell at the time.  If having a question answered before asking it but after typing it means everything in the post is throwaway, nothing I can do can convince you that you're wrong.
The roleplaying comes off as kind of troll-y to me, and the content is the same point repeated over and over, almost as though she's trying to convince herself that Reimu's appeasement is scummy.
I don't like the way Yoshika is pushing for Reimu.  You seem to be voting me for pushing Yoshika, so does that mean someone would be justified in reading you as scum?

-cut by Yoshika on Kogasa-
Seiga, do you think Yoshika is reading the game? My interpretation of the above 'case' is that defending=scummy because , therefore Kogasa is the scum, which is not a stance I agree with at all right now.

[Kiva-la]

the content is the same point repeated over and over, almost as though she's trying to convince herself that Reimu's appeasement is scummy.

BeCAUse yOU no BRAIN!
No unDERSTanD so YOshiKA haVE to SaY AGaiN anD aGAIn for yOU!

Seiga, do you think Yoshika is reading the game? My interpretation of the above 'case' is that defending=scummy because , therefore Kogasa is the scum, which is not a stance I agree with at all right now.

DeFENDinG vERY scUM!

[Decade]

Okay Yoshika, one more question...

Is there any other reason for you to vote Reimu, aside from her appeasement, self-defense and trying to force 1v1 D1?

-cuts-
Well repeating isn't going to convince anyone or make them realize anything if they already see what you've been repeating.

[Kiva-la]

Okay Yoshika, one more question...

Is there any other reason for you to vote Reimu, aside from her appeasement, self-defense and trying to force 1v1 D1?

NoT EnoUGH?
YOshIKA sAY yOSHika waIT foR MeaN LAdy to mAKE conTENT but NOT ConTENt fOR pageS and PAGeS!

[Kabuto]

Just to add my my above statement:

Youmu's speaking the most sense here.

Reimu had no problem with my #115, which you [Seiga] "called out" as fluff/active lurking/pretending to scumhunt.

BeCAUse yOU no BRAIN!
No unDERSTanD so YOshiKA haVE to SaY AGaiN anD aGAIn for yOU!
DeFENDinG vERY scUM!

Defending someone you view as town is not scummy at all.  Do you have another other reasons for finding Reimu scummy besides appeasement?
-cut by Nue asking...the same question while I dug up the actual post number of my post-

[Kiva-la]

HaLFbREed LiKE haLFbRAin!
YoSHIka Post moRE Later...

WherE is NYAnNyaN...?
YoSHIKa HUngry...

[Kiva-la]

Defending someone you view as town is not scummy at all.

DeFENdiNG veRy earLY VerY SCuM!
YoShiKa buSY feedinG...

[Ouja]

We've sort of stagnated here so I put together a votecount to look over.

Miyako Yoshika (4): Soga no Toziko, Tatara Kogasa, Houjuu Nue, Konpaku Youmu
Hakurei Reimu (3): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Futatsuiwa Mamizou, Miyako Yoshika
Konpaku Youmu (3): Kirisame Marisa, Kaku Seiga, Kochiya Sanae
Kochiya Sanae (2): Kasodani Kyouko, Toyosatomimi no Miko
Soga no Toziko (1): Mononobe no Futo
Not Voting: Hakurei Reimu
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. ~29 hours left in the day

It seems we have yet to hear from some people who are still on their random votes, though if it's due to timezones I guess it can't be helped.
I might make another post, but ultimately since we're sort of stuck I want to wait for others to provide input.

[Kiva-la]

YoSHikA sAY One more THINg aBout meAn LADy and otHEr.
Town NOt DEfendING! TowN maYBE justiFIcation buT neVEr deFenDINg or AppeaSEment!
TOwn MAke caSES, nOT EXCusES!
YoSHikA resT...

[Kiva-la]

YosHIka see LoTS viEWer BUt no POST!
MakE YoShikA anGER!

[Kick Hopper]

YoSHikA sAY One more THINg aBout meAn LADy and otHEr.
Town NOt DEfendING! TowN maYBE justiFIcation buT neVEr deFenDINg or AppeaSEment!
TOwn MAke caSES, nOT EXCusES!
YoSHikA resT...

pretty much how i feel about it

reading what i missed

[OOO]

sup im moenonobe best girl in the game

i can already tell this game is going to be a pain. six pages already. forsooth. haven't read everything so far but im getting this post out there (TM) before i have to go eat.

not a fan of sanae right now. don't like the original marisa vote in #135; what's wrong with responding to something that's directly relevant to you? the rest just reads as a blanket attack on inactivity, whereas in that same post, sanae had a stronger case on reimu's "scumminess" so I'm wondering why marisa was a better vote at that time.

the youmu vote in #157 is curious because you say youmu's vote on yoshika is "lackluster." what's lackluster about it (she provides more reason for her vote than you do)? combine this with how you were apparently considering yoshika in #135 but you somehow dance around giving an opinion on her i find this suspicious. so what do you think of yoshika? don't like the passive fluff in #174 either; if there's stuff to say why do you have to wait for other people to say it? you can start by elaborating on your youmu vote.

reimu's sit and wait approach is similarily scummy. i don't understand the 'newbtown' passes on her since newbscum who don't know how to fake scumhunting would behave similarily. the overdefensiveness and lack of scumreads and scumhunting outside of the "trap" is scummy because he doesn't conclude anything from it. he says he played the gambit to try and reveal the scum. well, reimu, who's the scum?

want kogasa to explain her defense of reimu; feels more she's concluding this guy is a newbie, therefore he must be town because he's doing silly newbie things.

yoshika's position re: reimu seems reasonable and i dont understand why she's getting a flashwagon. if people are voting her because of rp i may cry. stop being dumb people.

##vote: sanae
would also support reimu lynch given he continues to not produce.

[Ouja]

I believe that Reimu had a plan, put it into motion and then it was pointed at that it wouldn't work, at which point she backed down.  I also believe Yoshika is scummy due to the way she's pushing for Reimu-repeating a statement over and over doesn't make it true.

I feel like there's something off about this with what you said earlier:

You don't support the wagon on Yoshika because of how you interpreted Reimu's actions, did you consider that someone else interpreting Reimu's actions differently would see Yoshika in a different light?

Youmu says that how one interprets Reimu's actions affects how one sees Yoshika. Youmu herself seems to believe Reimu is town, so Yoshika, who is doggedly pursuing her, must therefore be scum. If this is indeed the case, then the logic is sort of faulty, since I have no idea how town Reimu implies scum Yoshika. Youmu, could you clarify a little more?

Responding to Futo in a bit.

[OOO]

##unvote
##vote: sanae
sorry im dumb