Town must lynch the scum to death. (Chelsea and the 7Devils Mafia Game Over)

[Kick Hopper]

I actually don't remember this, but anyway, no, I don't want him lynched anymore.

This was a humongous derp and that was aimed to Quiche.

I think you're right about the forcing lower caps. :V I don't see why it matters, wanting to disguise your identity could just be a fun game. I didn't think Alice or Vladmu were scummy for their u-umu sexy styles.

The issue that my head has been having with it is precisely that it's not anywhere near RP and just purposefully disguising. I guess it just irks me because it makes her harder to read, whatever.

I was kind of "._." at Milfall and Septentrion's recent posts here voting for a coasting suspect when pot calling the kettle black etc, but nothing else there really bothers me, until I actually try to follow what Milfall is saying and...

Sure, Pyoa Aaaa end of day post yesterday on Dechronos was a reasonable conclusion to all that had happened, but the fact that he selected Dechronos over Eyes earlier in the day for no especial reason still feels bad in hindsight. 

##Vote: Pyoa Aaaa

...I don't remember Pyoa mentioning Eyes at all in ED1. Well, he did, but just didn't have anything against him, this was way too early to vote Eyes for not having an out-of-RVS vote and the Dechronos/Eyes dichotomy had far from popped up. I don't understand how seeing scumminess in a vote with poor reasoning over a vote with no reasoning is bad; actually it's quite the opposite, voting for Eyes there while expressing dislike for Dechronos would've made it the same as Dechronos' own vote on Nuko asking why Baron for a reason over any RVS voters and therefore make him ridiculously terrible. This reason for voting Pyoa feels jerky and thoughtless yet again. If anything, Pyoa should be questioned for an absolute lack of mentioning Eyes later in the day other than "improving" while he just focused on justifying his Dechronos vote.

Also found myself questioning why you hadn't mentioned Pyoa's reportering in your vote there, Milfall, and upon looking back I find that my first mention on this and the first mention on it in the game comes in my #165, while your vote is all the way back in #132. If that was the impression it gave to you, why not comment on it? specially when your other reason to vote for the golden cannon thing was quite a stretch.

Pyoa' promising to make up for the lack of content today also heavily limits coasting so I'm not really willing to pursue him unless he decides to completely disregard that promise or I end up disliking his delivered content today.

Pleiades is being a hipster again and while I don't really like the focusing on the easy targets over Endy, I can't really disagree with anything she's pointing out.

On an additional weird note after my talk about Quiche and Joker earlier:
Quiche, what the hell happened to this promise to comment on why Dechronos was town before the end of the day? It obviously makes no sense for you to do it now so I'm not asking you to do that, but not doing so back then was utter lazyness and I hope you :effort: today whether on phone or not to make up for it.

This was supposed to be posted like half an hour ago but I'm having connection problems.

[Sasword]

Okay maybe Sept is scum. Or a giant bonehead.

The Dechronos wagon picked up after El Bobomoi's vote putting him ahead of Eyes of 13 Sages. I would say that was the cue for scum to pile on.

Why? Why would scum care which wagon they pile on? I don't see a vote this way buster so I don't believe your nonsense. Your logic seems centered around me being scum and Dechronos being my counterwagon. Why aren't you trying to lynch your lynch-pin?

And you're damn straight it was a poor vote hop. I was forced to vote someone I thought might be a PR while everyone I suspected was empty of votes while I begged people to start something else. Also my posts were god damn rock solid yo and I don't see you trying to say anything less. Hey you even seem to think my suspect was scum choosing between town wagons, why are we throwing the blame on Pyoa Not Here and not killing Choker Lurkscum?

[Kabuto]

:effort:
speaking of lurks its been well over 24 hours since choker joker posted

still not feeling it for choker joker as scum still.

[Skull]

@Bobomoi:

And now that I realized that mixup, Eyes is bad too because voting Choker Joker for . ...not really sure how I'd prioritize them.

but Pyoa did have something against him; the main idea that is his vote is bad anyways because he did not prioritize his targets with reasoning.  He said it himself above, which I think you missed.

and given that Eyes's content had objectively improved towards the end of the day when compared to Dechronos, I find his later ignorance of Eyes less damning then you think it to be.  by then it was implicit, among many others such as you and others, that Eyes' latter content was rock solid, yo.  not sure why you would agree with the latter and not the earlier event when the dichotomy was less clear and thus more valuable.

As for that Pyoa reportery issue, it is indeed reasoning after the fact, but the things i pointed out in my first post (lack of priorities, stating of suspicions on me and eyes without input) still stood.  forgot to mention it i suppose.

[Kick Hopper]

Oh wow the post actually went through.
And uh, great, I did miss that, I disregarded the lower part of his post upon remembering it as confusing ranting on how he was mixing up people.

I can see all you're saying now, but this is still basing your main suspect on an ED1 post. There's at least two more scum out there and there's more recent stuff of everybody who isn't a pumpkin with a red hat so even if you want Pyoa lynched I'm pretty sure it'd do good both to yourself and others if you focused on other people until Pyoa pops/doesn't pop up.

I really ought to get some revising done for my lesson now so no time, will look into things more closely when I get back in about 6~ hours.
##Unvote

[Punch Hopper]

Pyoa Aaaa parroting Halloween Alice for a reason to stay on Lord Dechronos is horribly scummy. You don't say anything about what you're agreeing with. The linked post is outdated. Halloween Alice wasn't voting Lord Dechronos or even calling him scum in that post.

Beep beep, I totally made a paragraph on my opinion of him! It's not like I sheeped Alice and then went on to do my merry business. I'll even quote it for you right here.

Okay, DeChronos has pretty much been sitting on Eyes' and Pleiades' first posts with lackluster stuff for the whole day. That's... about all he's done, really. It's true that they didn't look good because they didn't do anything else for a long time (He's disappeared before they really started to, although Eyes' had done some after and DeChronos basically handwaved it soooooo.) but it really just feels like he found his easy targets and coasted by on it with minimal attention to other things.

Even if I feel right now like Pleiades is going after me for being easy since I only have two posts yesterday and there's already a vote on me before her, it might just be a desire to OMGUS. He's asked a lot of questions and I should save my judgment for after he gets them and makes his conclusions about people, since right now his opinions are still apparently pretty up in the air.

Still don't like Selena, but I'll wait until that votepost she mentioned to see if it's pretty nice, since the main issue is just that she hasn't done much. Having a questionable RVS vote isn't The Worst Thing, and her other posts have only been Ehhh but not outright blegh. Fakeedit:Oh, Bobomoi, thanks for reminding me about Selena's thing there, I had forgotten to respond to it. ...and you're right :o Selena's reason to vote me is pretty silly when I look at it that way!

Nuko Do Maron :C "Gut" and "Reporty got'chy" and waffling? Well, I'm sure you'll be good again after your nap, you were lovely d1 <3 I think... I guess I forgot your d1. Well whatever. I remember you had lots of posts in it that I didn't see any issue with and that sounds pretty good to me!

Okay let's see here who else is in the game. Oh yeah, the pumpkins. Well, Quiche is pretty ???. I'm fairly sure most people have realized who he is by now and he acts like this every game (Town or scum), so I'm pretty much leaving him for later when we have more flips to make connections with (And because eventually he should be able to start actually doing something more productive to be able to judge him with, unless maybe if he's scum I guess?).

As for Cuckoobeater and Joker. Joker is... holy crap lurky. His content is almost nonexistent. In his first two posts it's pretty much limited to giving a short comment on a quote and then voting the person, (His second has a wall of responses to quotes but there's not much actual content in there) and at day end he's just "DeChronos isn't scum, Eyes is slightly scummy ##Vote Eyes". He may as well not exist.

Cuckoobeater early in d1 reads as weirdly jumpy but not exactly scummy to me. There is how he sort of drops off having any content after awhile though which isn't very good :/ Want to see what he does now.

I'd lynch Joker, probably Selena, waiting on what the other people I've mentioned do before I get my opinions on them more straightened out.

Cut by Selena:It was pretty early in the game, I figured I'd get my priorities straightened out after people had posted (or not posted) a little more :c So far there was only little things to go on. I went for DeChronos because no one else had yet and since it was the one I had made before anyone else.

...alright, that seems good, now I hit pos-oh right! A vote to make!

Well, looking back over Selena's posts again... her vote on my today really does seem weird, given that the only problem she has with me is that I voted DeChronos over Eyes, but I guess I'll see what she has to say about my explanation. And Joker hasn't even posted yet. TBH I'd rather wait until those posts, but since Joker doesn't even have any votes on him yet and I shouldn't leave my vote lying on the ground uselessly, I'll go ahead and

##Vote Joker

[Kiva-la]

Ah le le. Vladmu stop understanding this game. Baron Vladmu also stop sexy♥♥ talk because Vladmu tire.

Septentrion's bit on Eyes reeks of confirmation bias. Eyes of Sages making a not-me-over-me vote is a null tell as both Town and Scum would want to secure a wagon on The Other Guy using any means possible, including voting them.

Pyoa Aaaa. I don't like how his only attentions since his first post have been on low-content people.  The vote on Joker reads weird because he just reports Joker is lurky, not that Joker's scummy for his lurking. Blatant voteparking makes Vladmu go .

Still happy with Nuko, happy with El Bobomoi, happy with 13 Sages. Less happy with Pleiades for holding not-me-over-me against someone, not happy with Quiche's active lurking. Produce a vote.

Also Pope.
I don't like how he kept his vote on Eyes despite saying Eyes was more null than scum, but withholding judgement until promised content is delivered.

##Vote: Pleiades, because it looks like your case on Choker Joker is stronger, and it looks weird to vote the weaker case. Why is Pyoa Aaaa worse than Choker Joker, since Pyoa Aaaa gave reasons for staying on Dechronos over Choker Joker's following of others' cases?

[Skull]

Pretty unimpressed by Pyoa Aaaa's content, which merely sheeps the popular wagons as in D1, for the less desirable reasons even (lynching Joker because he doesn't exist but clearing cuckoobeater cause he's not exactly scummy etc.).  For all his words, most of his scumhunting now is wait-and-see as in last time and not doing anything with the content people have already posted.  No wonder he's a regurgitating cannon or something.

I went for DeChronos because no one else had yet and since it was the one I had made before anyone else.

pressure? 

whateverz

*sighs* I'll accept that.  let me mull over this a bit.

##Unvote

[Kaku Seiga]

@Eyes of 13 Sages #271 It's perfectly reasonable that you could be scum and I outlined why your move benefited scum. Until the mod flips you as town, there is no good reason for me to not suspect you. You are sorely mistaken if you think your posts are any good. If they truly were, you wouldn't have gotten yourself into a position where you have to make a bad vote to save yourself. I'm voting Pyoa Aaaa over you, Choker Joker and even El Bobomoi because Pyoa Aaaa did a very scummy play. The scum is in front of me needs to be lynched. Your turn to answer the question I posed in my last post. You were one of the proponents for lynching Choker Joker. It's a fact that he was lurking and had terrible content. The same was said of Pyoa Aaaa. Why was and still is Choker Joker a superior choice to Pyoa Aaaa?

@Pyoa Aaaa #275 Replace Lord Dechronos in your paragraph of opinion with your own name, replace his suspects with yours. The very same accusations still stand. If you don't like this, then I'll attack it another way. You've told us what Lord Dechronos has been doing. Anyone who read his posts can figure out the same and express it to themselves in a language they can understand. Why were the things he did scummy? Why are the things he said scummy? Notice my way of looking at things does not care whether or not Eyes of 13 Sages was better or not. If you have any real intention of scumhunting, you would bring the scummiest person to the forefront, not push people into the background until there is someone left to vote.

Claiming yourself to be an easy target is pathetic. Lord Pumpkinquiche said something I liked so much that I'm going to quote it

easy targets means they have done something scummy and should be lynched for. why is this a problem?

@Baron Vladmu #276 I don't feel my point on Choker Joker was stronger than Pyoa Aaaa's clearly scummy play. Even if it's such a good case, maybe I've caught 2 scum. If you read my post carefully, I mentioned what someone who was town should have done in the position of Eyes of 13 Sages. The votes were split 5-4 at the time of the hop. All the people who were willing to vote Eyes of 13 Sages were already voting. Eyes of 13 Sages had the opportunity to dissuade more people from voting them, Lord Dechronos was already gone and did not have that chance. I also said the vote amounted to a not-me-over-me vote, not that it was necessarily done in such a spirit. Refer to #200 again, Eyes of 13 Sages stated willingness to die if Lord Dechronos had a good enough claim to make. What town-motivated purpose is there to offer yourself as the lynch while acting to ensure that you aren't?

[Skull]

Another interesting thing is Joker was being ignored and stuff day one, accepted by some as a fringe candidate but never really seriously pursued (e.g Nuko, Eyes, Bomboiboi, Septenrion) under the pretext that LAL on D1 is bad.  Dechronos posted the wrong thing at the wrong time and so everyone shifted onto him happily, town and perhaps scum alike.

heavily tempted to go after joker given that lots of people had him at second choice for some strange reason, and that the other two pumpkins and even Bomboiboi defended him during instances where it was uncalled for.  I feel that he's the centre of everything weird as well.  Information-wise he is probably the best lynch; it's up to his content to convince us otherwise.

I would like to think that people were distracted by Dechronos' post or an aversion to LAL but ?  We have a lot of oddities, such as Pope Cuckoolander responding directly to Alice's accusation but not Joker's (who questioned him for not taking my post seriously), and people like Baron talking about most everyone except joker here in his vote for Dechronos.

##Vote: Choker Joker

[Ouja]

Writing as I read.

Pleiades's #268 is bad. He accuses several people of several things without making a clear distinction of what/who he considers worse. In fact, the reason behind the vote is "they need to explain stuff", instead of a clear cut "this guy is the scum" approach, which is weird because you're meant to go after the scum. All this lets him randomly come back after 24 hours and jump onto a wagon. I would honestly not be surprised if this is what ends up happening. :I

##Vote Pleiades

I also dislike the part where he accuses Eyes of "not me over me". Why is this a scum thing? Is it not stupidly often that cornered townies do this? --Reading his reply to Baron. In all honesty, it's a good explanation, but again, all he's doing here is throwing accusations everywhere without capitalizing on them. Not me over me is STILL something you see way too often, and it wasn't a drag to say that Dech and Eyes were pretty much the only likely wagons at the time. Eyes said as much himself in his post IIRC.

I honestly feel like you're trying to dig up dirt on people rather than hunting for scum.

Baron, I kept my vote on Eyes during D1 because I was completely out of it and, despite getting a null read from Eyes's mid-D1 (and later on, town vibes from Eyes's late-D1), decided to not doom Dechronos by unvoting (who I had no idea about), and unvote if Eyes was actually in danger, which he was not. I would have preferred a counterwagon on Milfall but it was late and Eyes/Dech would not have been huge losses either way. tl;dr, I had reasons. Still doesn't paint me as town, I suppose.

Milfall, I mentioned Choker. In the same post. I said I thought he was angry>scummy or something along those lines.

Pyoa's latest post is null. Knowing who he is doesn't help much. :I

I'm not seeing Choker scum yet. Relating to what I said a few lines above, he did not seem scummy to me and his jump to Eyes seems kind of... unexplained for scum, who would, y'know, usually try to make it less of a blatant jump. I realize this reason is kind of crap but honestly he's posted like 4 posts and I find people reading him as scum (let alone voting them) over the other shit that's going on right now even more ridiculous anyway.

In fact, I don't like this wagon quite a bit. Will not lynch.

I'm not convinced that the Lord is his usual lurktown self. To answer Pyoa, he WAS lurkscum once, and only once, and so far I'm not seeing a reason why he's lurktown instead.

I'm going to wait for Maron's content post. I didn't like some stuff yesterday like the preference of Eyes->Milfall due to pretty much a sentence less in their posts, which later turns into would lynch - null. Then there's the way he stuck to his vote late-D1 which I don't feel good about, but that's just the thing - all this is stuff I just find strange, rather than stuff I'm willing to throw an otherwise town read off a cliff for.

Milfall has his priorities upside down right now. He's unimpressed by his scumread's content but at the same time willing to mull it over + unvote. Then he proposes a Choker wagon based soley off of people's reactions to him and "it will give us information", both seem screwed-up things for town. Why does a bunch of people disregarding him (by the way, I disagree with you on that one) make him scum? What about the other people being waffled over, like the Lord?

[Den-O]

Just got back from Mother's Day stuff. Will post up shortly.

[Kick Hopper]

Just got back and I'm still reading through recent content, but there were two things that came to mind as important during my commuting:

1) I don't know how often scum decide to be so pro-town that they catalyze the jump over RVS, but I've been disregarding the first 50 posts for most of the game as unimportant RVS stuff and I didn't notice that it was actually Selena's vote on Baron that got us out of there. That's something in her favor and I'm glad I don't have to reconsider that idea after seeing her post more actively, hoping to see it be decent content.

2) Septentrion's reasons for not pursuing me further here:

El Bobomoi's on and off makes him look better in terms of not securing a mislynch.

They're really, really vague, and look like they're talking about me in a way that could leave her open to a lynch on me due to past issues without commenting at all on the replies I gave her on them. I was willing to pass this off as hipster town not wanting to admit they were wrong, but skimming through the recent posts I find this:

If they truly were, you wouldn't have gotten yourself into a position where you have to make a bad vote to save yourself. I'm voting Pyoa Aaaa over you, Choker Joker and even El Bobomoi because Pyoa Aaaa did a very scummy play.

...Which pretty much confirms my first impression.

The two people on her wagon that seem to have provided reasons to vote her are pretty null to me, though, so I'll be treading carefully on the recent posts.

Okay done reading but I don't even know. I'll start from what came to mind I guess.

Pyoa's latest post is null. Knowing who he is doesn't help much. :I

Funny thing that I believed you were this player until both your more recent posts.
And yes it does help, look at their activity in the last game they were scum and in the last game they were town. If this is who I think it is, they are terribly close to their scum meta, and specially the wait-and-see attitude is horribly not their town self. I definitely like his lynch over Joker's at this point, and I agree on his wagon looking horrible and not being willing to support it.
That doesn't mean I don't want you to post, Joker. If you keep lurking the hell out of the game I'll wish last game's prod system was around so I could set you on fire without wasting a day's lynch.

Also, about your view on Milfall's priorities. Have I not done the same with her in my very last post? I also did pretty much the same with Dechronos yesterday. You dislike Joker's lynch and he's the easy target for sure, but it feels like you're just #FoS'ing Milfall because you disagree with her vote.
If you closely follow Milfall's train of thought on the weirdness of Pyoa's Dechronos over Eyes vote, it makes sense that she'd defend her case against my misrep and only begin to question her own case upon hearing Pyoa's reply to it by saying he held onto the Dechronos vote because anything else that was scummy about anybody else had already been pointed out and jumping on their cases by parroting would be bad. Honestly I don't think scum would unvote emptily like that without giving much reason as to why when they're being focused, it'd take guts.
So yeah, even though I don't like where her vote is placed, I'm somehow leaning Milfall!Town now. The above is kind of a chainsaw but I can't really find another way to explain why the sudden read switch other than the RVS-fence breaking which isn't that great and was really just a catalyst to my gut suddenly jerking in the opposite direction. If I'm wrong about the scum-not-usually-helping-town-out-of-RVS and there's meta on some players being that pro-town as scum that could be Milfall in disguise then feel free to call me out on it.

I disliked Pope's attention being directed to the main suspects of the day when he first posted, but other than what I've pointed out I rather like Pope's post here and hope to see him post more often. I find myself agreeing with the case on Pleiades, specially given how she seems so set on "the what's the right way of doing things as town", she has barely done anything but ask questions indiscriminately and doesn't seem to be getting anywhere with them, which was already starting to become my issue with her. See what I pointed out up there about her seemingly refusing to make any mention of me but still being quite willing to lynch me, and therefore seem convinced that I'm scum and not pushing the case further despite that, which, surprise, would be the right thing for town to do. Also leaving oneself open for lynches, hipocrisy etc.

Despite this, I don't feel like joining her wagon right now with Baron and Nuko when the cat has yet to explain its reasons for voting her and I have yet to read both of them and Endymion properly. Willing to lynch over anybody else as things stand right now, though.
Where the hell is Endymion anyway? hasn't it been 22 hours since the day started? Both him and Joker need a nice prod to the face.

And it seems I misread Pope's line on Quiche as being the exact opposite. I kind of disagree with that as well, other than ED1 which I'd sort of understand lazy people wanting to lurk through because :effort: to overthrow RVS, he's been actively around asking questions and being himself even if he hasn't really produced a case. What does irk me is the empty promises for content since his usual fuck-the-police attitude wouldn't care about seeming townie as long as he were town and I really want him to get something of value out if he doesn't want me not minding his lynch if the other wagon looks terrible to me (A.K.A Joker, which is a very likely wagon outcome for the day. In other words, do something you pumpkinqueer I even seem to be liking the hyperlurker better than you).

There seems to be a growing wagon of "Oh dear Nuko might be towniescum" and I don't really know what to make of it.

Cut by an Eye finally appearing. I'm gonna go ahead and start my Nuko/Baron/Endy rereads with him and get this out there since this is yet another wall in itself. Thankfully you'll be getting less of these as I grow busier during this week.

[Den-O]

The Dechronos wagon picked up after El Bobomoi's vote putting him ahead of Eyes of 13 Sages. I would say that was the cue for scum to pile on. El Bobomoi's on and off makes him look better in terms of not securing a mislynch. I don't think Endymion's vote on Lord Dechronos is that well justified. Nuko do Maron's lynch clearly wasn't going to happen, so the choice was perhaps between Lord Dechronos and Eyes of 13 Sages. How does Eyes of 13 Sages proving the night talk ability make the player any less scummy? The way you applied process of elimination is weak and I don't buy that you really thought Lord Dechronos would flip scum. Eyes of 13 Sages also made a poor vote hop. At the time it was 5 Lord Dechronos and 4 Eyes of 13 Sages. If Eyes of 13 Sages was town, I think making solid posts would be a better way to ensure the wagon didn't swing over instead of making what amounts to a not-me-over-me vote. As scum there's every reason for Eyes of 13 Sages to get the vote on the opposing wagon for steamrolling.

I really don't like it when people narrow down wagons like this in the name of ~*wagon analysis*~ and push it like it's the godspoken truth. In any case I think people keep forgetting that we had a 48 hour day one. At the time I voted Nuko do Maron, there was still plenty of time 'till lynch and by the time I came back I didn't have time to push it anymore. The night talk making Eyes less scummy is because of ~*mod meta*~ and because if they were town it would mean they'd be able to provide mucho future content. I didn't really have a scum read on them in any case.
I thought Dechronos was scummier than Eyes simply because his content was awful. In any case this is rich coming from one of the two people sitting on one-man wagons at the end of the day. Put up or shut up. For that matter, why Pyoa Aaaa over Joker given your last paragraph?

Disliking lynches on Quiche and Joker maims chances of hitting scum badly if they happen to be scum, but there should be at least one more scum left to hunt even if they're both scum so I'd rather focus on doing that than aiming for horribly uncertain flips based on unhelpful playerstyles.

...That's an awful way of saying that "we can't read these players, therefore we shouldn't try to." Stuff like this is why I dislike this type of meta reasoning. I do use meta to adjust my reads for player skill etc., but meta is abusable (as shown in many examples) and, if you say, the players always look scummy, then they also look scummy as scum! Believe me; I've been burned before by pushing "this guy is always scummy, thus he's probably town this time." I don't buy people calling Choker Joker an ~*easy lynch*~ because it seems that everyone can agree his content is bad but few people are willing to vote him. That aside, can you with a straight face look at Choker Joker's posts and say that he's putting an honest effort into scumhunting? Never mind that I'm not even sure that playerslot is who you people are putting it down as. I'm actually wondering whether or not he might be getting replaced though so. >_> Would still throw this slot off the island any day as long as it continues to not provide content.

I've read up on the two wagons (and pretty much only them). Dechronos doesn't look like scum. Sages is somewhat scummy.

I expect to see a justification for this today given I'm wondering how you reached these conclusions.

People comparing Joker/Quiche need to actually read the game. There's a difference in Choker Joker and Quiche's posts in this game; hint, it has to do with the content/presence, or lack of it. I'm not sure how to explain it, but at least Quiche is doing something. >_> Still want him to clarify his suspects for today and post what he said he was going to post yesterday.

@Pope

I would like his opinion on my exchange with the Baron et al since he said he would be reading that and didn't mention it afterwards.

I'm actually kind of leery that everyone suddenly is looking at the cat when no one was commenting on him yesterday when I brought it up. But never mind that. Looking at Neko's activity near deadline, he makes statements like these:

I never bothered to voice my dislike for Choker Joker (since he only made one notable post) but I suppose I'd be willing to switch over onto him.

Although Dechronos still feels like a good lynch too, I kind of like where my vote is at at the moment, lots of Dechrono's posts have felt like "I'M PLAYING!" then actual scumhunting.

...Which is basically cheerleading wagons and reinforces my statement earlier that he was just setting himself to jump to multiple wagons at the end of the day. Don't really like his statements at the start of the day where he makes blanket statements about low content posters and try to explain it away with "gut." The best thing about a gut case is that you can't defend yourself from it, and I've had scum pull that on me before.
##Vote: Nuko Do Maron

More coming in next post.

[Sasword]

I have an idea. Why don't people assume that they in fact have no idea who the person behind the pumpkin/giant eye/anime girl is and go from there. (I thought Pope was Pyoa too >.>!)

Septentrion: You know, it's odd that you're asking me why Pyoa over Joker yesterday. I was voting Pyoa for a large portion of the day. I even said why I thought he wasn't worth pursuing when Lord Pumpkinquiche wouldn't stop asking me about it. Plain Lurking is scummier then Not Being Present. Don't ask questions I already answered.

Your accusation that my posts forced me into a bad position flies in the sense of the reality where the reason I had a wagon was not quality of post, but lack of them. I think you have priorities wrong if you think voting your only counterwagon is a scumtell instead of natural and something I personally will advise any town to do. I think you are stubborn. I however don't think you can get confirmation bias as scum so..

I should put down a vote on something. That last Pyoa post makes my vote want to gravitate towards his face. Not sure if scum or natural vote attraction.  :C <-- The face of someone who wants to get lynched.

Double Eye Tag Team yeah baby!

[Den-O]

Funnily enough, I was just about to ask you to put down a vote on something if you want to be taken seriously.

I actually don't see all the Pyoa hate people are harping on (and me thinking I know who that player is doesn't help >_>). It generally seems like people are ~*attacking the lurkers*~ again except Pyoa's content isn't all the bad from what I saw. I noticed Baron described him as attacking only low-content people, but honestly I'd rather lynch someone like Nuko for that; he's doing something similar but is more subtle about it.

[Ouja]

And yes it does help, look at their activity in the last game they were scum and in the last game they were town. If this is who I think it is, they are terribly close to their scum meta, and specially the wait-and-see attitude is horribly not their town self.

I guess I don't know their meta that well, then...?  It still looked pretty null to me, since all it is is a list of "this is how I feel about PLAYER". (emphasis on the rather vague 'feel' aspect)

Also, about your view on Milfall's priorities. Have I not done the same with her in my very last post? I also did pretty much the same with Dechronos yesterday. You dislike Joker's lynch and he's the easy target for sure, but it feels like you're just #FoS'ing Milfall because you disagree with her vote.
If you closely follow Milfall's train of thought on the weirdness of Pyoa's Dechronos over Eyes vote, it makes sense that she'd defend her case against my misrep and only begin to question her own case upon hearing Pyoa's reply to it by saying he held onto the Dechronos vote because anything else that was scummy about anybody else had already been pointed out and jumping on their cases by parroting would be bad. Honestly I don't think scum would unvote emptily like that without giving much reason as to why when they're being focused, it'd take guts.
So yeah, even though I don't like where her vote is placed, I'm somehow leaning Milfall!Town now. The above is kind of a chainsaw but I can't really find another way to explain why the sudden read switch other than the RVS-fence breaking which isn't that great and was really just a catalyst to my gut suddenly jerking in the opposite direction. If I'm wrong about the scum-not-usually-helping-town-out-of-RVS and there's meta on some players being that pro-town as scum that could be Milfall in disguise then feel free to call me out on it.

There's a reason I prefer Pleiades over this guy. I have a list of things I dislike about him but none of them point to definite scum. I will say, though, that my impression was that he unvoted because Pyoa showed up, rather than anything else. But yeah, this does make some sense, so I'll keep a close eye on Milfall now.

And it seems I misread Pope's line on Quiche as being the exact opposite. I kind of disagree with that as well, other than ED1 which I'd sort of understand lazy people wanting to lurk through because :effort: to overthrow RVS, he's been actively around asking questions and being himself even if he hasn't really produced a case. What does irk me is the empty promises for content since his usual fuck-the-police attitude wouldn't care about seeming townie as long as he were town and I really want him to get something of value out if he doesn't want me not minding his lynch if the other wagon looks terrible to me (A.K.A Joker, which is a very likely wagon outcome for the day. In other words, do something you pumpkinqueer I even seem to be liking the hyperlurker better than you).

Yes, the reason I'm not sure about this guy is because he hasn't made any noticable contributions - he usually makes cases here and there when he's town. All he's been doing so far is madman twitterposting.

@Endy
Yeeahhh... I actually didn't get to reading that part thoroughly. I'm sorry! I DO have a town read on Baron after his late-D1 and especially his early-D2. I'm not sure about you but you're not bugging me in any way so cheers! (will be reading you in ISO sometime soon, have no fear :/)

[Den-O]

Bah I forgot what my original followup was. Maybe it'll come back later.

I'll try to clarify what I mean by subtle, because that's probably not the best word for it. Maybe what I'm saying is that Pyoa blatantly waffles on everyone? Okay maybe that's not the best towntell now that I think about it. When Pyoa shows up next I want to hear what his lynching priorities are.

Cut: Ah, okay, as long as it comes eventually.

[Sasword]

I haven't decided if I want to be taken seriously attacking someone yet. I think what I said about Pyoa still holds. His face is just really there. And now I have to give the Pope weird looks because his face is different! But okay, I will try to objectively read Pyoa without falling asleep from the effort.

Okay his first para-zzzzzzzzzzzz

Okay looking back saying he was sheeping to Alice's case is silly, because he was already voting Dechronos with his own reasoning. It was more confirming what he already thought. He's also correct that he added to the case in the same post as he agrees with Alice, with his own special reasoning. The problem I have with his last post is it's not clear what he thinks is scummy about.. anyone. Pyoa, I want to see something nice and short. 3 people you think are scummy, and at least three sentences on why.

[Den-O]

For that matter, why Pyoa Aaaa over Joker given your last paragraph?

Oops, missed your most recent post. -.- ...I don't really get what you mean re: your point on Eyes though. What kind of last minute contributions are you looking for seriously. I mean it was decent enough that I didn't want to vote them so. >_>

[Sasword]

Since I feel his presence is the one I'm missing and I want to get more out of him, I'm going to take the plunge and threaten murder at a kitten. There can be only one!

##Vote: Neko du Maron

Same question as to Pyoa, I want three concise suspects and the why of them.

[Kabuto]

Gdi people. I go to church and come back to people voting nuko already.
##vote: giant cat

Blah blah blah another post coming up after this one

Also i was asking about joker not pyoa d1 26eyes

[Kabuto]

Also if someone asked me something nows the time to repost it. I cant remember everything said in the walls of text :V

[Kilgamayan]

:tumbleweed:

Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi
Pyoa Aaaa (1): Selena Milfall, Septentrion Pleiades
Septentrion Pleiades (3): Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, Pope Cuckoobeater
Choker Joker (2): Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall
Nuko do Maron (3): Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche

Not voting: El Bobomboi, Choker Joker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You have just under 48 hours to vote.

Choker Joker has been prodded for inactivity.

[Kabuto]

Did not like the nuko d1 fos on choker joker. It was unexplained and the only reason he didnt place his vote was because of the 2 joke votes which i find horribly reasoning(almost as bad as being 2easy). He later tries to bring up shit about me but im still not buying the whole sleepy thing. Hes able to see all the main wagons(though i dont think i was but close enough) and say hes ok with them. His case on Lord Dechronos JUST that prod vote he did early which is even a very good one.

[Kabuto]

His case on Lord Dechronos JUST that prod vote he did early which isnt even a very good one.

fixed

[Kabuto]

we may need a giant shoe box for him

[Kick Hopper]

Actually I'm just going to read the trio altogether.


Stuff on Endymion
#68: Accuses Joker of attempt to say something townie sounding, but his question towards Baron before his vote is pretty much the same given that there was pretty much no "rest of the game" by then other than the Milfall/Eyes posts with barely anything to them.
I also just noticed there's also that thing I previously seem to have just skimmed over where he says Baron attacks me for attacking him for "not having a reason" which is ??. The reason I attacked him was because I misunderstood his quote-only reply and early laziness.

#82: I still don't understand what was going on in the Eye's head (it's funny because it doesn't have one!) here and have no idea what to make of this.

#91: The last line of townie-getting-framed paranoia in this sounds nice and town. #95 too. Actually the whole thing is pretty town because the misrep is so dumb and loud scum couldn't possibly consider faking it, it'd draw too much attention and risk being disliked and lynched. His content has become increasingly better since, even though we don't agree in everything (fakeedit: as should be evident by the cut there where he dislikes my stance on Joker and Quiche despite my recent use of the meta to change onto somewhat disliking Quiche and pressuring him instead of being just "meh I can't tell what they'll flip so not lynching them") and not being around at the deadline was an eyesore.

Conclusion: Still town.


Stuff on Nuko.

#79 does kind of distinguish among the close-to-no-content-ers. The issue with it is that it goes ahead and votes people with no reasoning to their vote instead of those who are "bad but outdated and I trust that they'll improve" almost right after considering that doing that would be bad play in #61 and #62.

This follow up to the Eye's rage was weirdly enraged itself and ended up becoming a ragetunnel on Endymion as well because he had been ragetunneling. Can't tell if the cat felt too frustrated to think straight and notice at the moment or if this was a deliberate scum move to bring forth a more active mislynch target. Could be both and I feel stupid for suggesting the "Cat too frustrated over issue, vote Endy" theory before seeing the cat's follow-up on the issue when it got back.
#99. I don't know if it's because the cat has better self-control and it sounds a lot less like RAGE than Endy's posts but it seems kinda silly in comparison and possibly fabricated. Oh god fuck this it makes no sense to ISO somebody when I can't forget the ?? seemingly growing recent view on Nuko, I never had any issue with these posts back when I was rereading after the whole Nuko/Endy rage thing and I'm not going to continue with this. My judgement on it will have to wait until the cat in the hat comes back to explain their reason on why Pleiades, 24 hours of day without any content because you feel "bad at mafia today" isn't good and I'm tired of people disappearing. It also kind of lets you get an impression on the general opinion during D2 as scum and... get out of my head scum!Nuko god damn it.

Conclusion: Pending.

Cut by oh wow Endymion votes and suddenly we've got ourselves a kitty lynching wagon.


Stuff on Baron.

I don't know why nobody has bothered to look into him yet. Funny =/= town.

-Early game interactions with myself disregarded because misrep case closed-
#94: While I considered this a town read for helpfulness, he didn't really have much of an option, and he never really replied to Endy's call in #97 but disappeared instead. Which is weird when his next post does actually mention disappearing.

I had a bad feeling about the RP style and, indeed, #201 is a terribad fluffpost where he basically just leaves himself open for the two main wagons and a possible third that might've started due to how much Quiche had annoyed everybody without giving much reason to any of them. Note how he already mentioned in #146 that Quiche was "town dumb" and not "unsexy scum" that would deserve his vote. His reasoning to vote Dechronos is IMO at the same level as Endymion's, and don't see why Pleiades didn't mention this in her wagon analysis. Plus it'd be a much more critical time to vote for the Dechronos mislynch wagon considering an Eyes scum wagon given that Eyes had 4 votes on him at the time while Dechronos only had 3 and oh god I'm speculating scumteams without a flip what am I even doing.
Anyway, there's that thing with his disappearance between #94 and #146 where aside from not dropping the case on Endy without actually clarifying anything after offering to, his thing with Endymion lead to Nuko and Endymion fighting each other and he said not a word about it, which feels like scum interested in town slapping with town.

The rest of his deadline presence is just not minding a Joker quickwagon and not wanting to read walls from a phone.
His D2 post is 'kay but had plenty of time to address Pleiades' reply only 2 posts later to continue discussion and perhaps let her post some redeeming content were she actually town before he left, and hell, it's not hard:

@Baron Vladmu #276 I don't feel my point on Choker Joker was stronger than Pyoa Aaaa's clearly scummy play. Even if it's such a good case, maybe I've caught 2 scum. If you read my post carefully, I mentioned what someone who was town should have done in the position of Eyes of 13 Sages. The votes were split 5-4 at the time of the hop. All the people who were willing to vote Eyes of 13 Sages were already voting. Eyes of 13 Sages had the opportunity to dissuade more people from voting them, Lord Dechronos was already gone and did not have that chance. I also said the vote amounted to a not-me-over-me vote, not that it was necessarily done in such a spirit. Refer to #200 again, Eyes of 13 Sages stated willingness to die if Lord Dechronos had a good enough claim to make. What town-motivated purpose is there to offer yourself as the lynch while acting to ensure that you aren't?

The first part is pure hindsight bias since nobody knew whether Dechronos would show up at the deadline or not. The second point is dumb because what the hell sense would it make for scum to offer themselves as a lynch if the town wagon happened to be an important power role? Like I said, nobody knew whether Dechronos would show up or not, he actually seemed to be some sort of power role, and Eyes commented that his reason for not wanting him lynched earlier in the day was because he crumbed his role.

So yeah, choosing not to reply something as simple as that and disappearing without notice again and with a vote parked on her looks pretty bad when you take a second to look at things from Scum!Baron perspective.

Conclusion: Slight scum lean.



@Pyoa

Okay let's see here who else is in the game. Oh yeah, the pumpkins. Well, Quiche is pretty . I'm fairly sure most people have realized who he is by now and he acts like this every game (Town or scum), so I'm pretty much leaving him for later when we have more flips to make connections with (And because eventually he should be able to start actually doing something more productive to be able to judge him with, unless maybe if he's scum I guess?).

As for Cuckoobeater and Joker. Joker is... holy crap lurky. His content is almost nonexistent. In his first two posts it's pretty much limited to giving a short comment on a quote and then voting the person, (His second has a wall of responses to quotes but there's not much actual content in there) and at day end he's just "DeChronos isn't scum, Eyes is slightly scummy ##Vote Eyes". He may as well not exist.

If meta is enough to clear Quiche for you, why not Joker as well?
Mirroring Eyes' request for something clear other than the prodvote.

@Eyes
The issue with ignoring player identity and meta is that it'd inevitable lead us a Joker lynch and a Quiche lynch, and if they both happen to be town and we assume 3 scum, that's game over.
And honestly, your comment on Pleiades' confirmation bias is bugging me real bad because it's true and that means my only somewhat solid suspect gets a psychological clear.

So I guess that means I am now a hipster. If I assume Pleiades!Town, then the comment on Baron parking his vote there like I mentioned earlier seems even more likely.
##Vote: Baron Vladmu


Man I've taken forever on this crap. Can't stop myself from walling so might as well spend some effort in making them slightly easier to read. I think this should be enough from me for today. Want to see the Cat and Pyoa explaining their votes and being clear on their suspects, a case/reads from Joker and Quiche, who else is scum from Milfall and Pleiades responding to her current situation like a townie should.

Quiche, use some search function using "quiche" and "pumpkin" to find questions aimed at you, and please tell me you're not seriously thinking of playing the whole game from your phone...

[Kabuto]

Quiche, use some search function using "quiche" and "pumpkin" to find questions aimed at you, and please tell me you're not seriously thinking of playing the whole game from your phone...

:smug:

no

[Skull]

@Pope

For the Pyoa Aaaa thing, follow my thought process.  I don't exactly like Bomboiboi defending me, but he has the gist of it.  I unvoted cause my supposedly strong reason against Pyoa Aaa was dispelled by his defence; he's unoriginal content alone is not really worth a vote for now given other scummy people.

Milfall, I mentioned Choker. In the same post. I said I thought he was angry>scummy or something along those lines.

He asked you why you thought my post was not serious in your vote for me.  You did not reply; surely you were not taking his vote seriously for whatever reason.  also obv you have never played with angry scum before.

Why does a bunch of people disregarding him (by the way, I disagree with you on that one) make him scum?

I never did say that they made him scum; he's scum for all the normal reasons (lurking, arbitrary voting priorities, etc.) which are probably pumpkin and pie by now.  I just disagree with the general consensus that lynching him is useless since he interacted with no one when they are these titbits around.  He will make a fine lynch for today.

(though I'll switch my vote next post since Kilga prodded)