Town must lynch the scum to death. (Chelsea and the 7Devils Mafia Game Over)

[Sasword]

Do you know something about this pumpkin that I don't, rabbitface? I have yet to decide if scum or trolling. But I will gladly punch out any cheeky rabbits that turn my questioning into a 'waste of time'.

[Halloween Alice]

... u-uu, Baron Vladmu, sir, you should consider having some decency out of courtesy to the rest of us...

Um, anyway... Lord Pumpkinquiche didn't really look like a stubborn townie until his more recent posts... You may have a point, but Pope Cuckoobeater appeared to be enforcing townies to join him on wagons with horrendous reasoning. I believe his intent is more villainous than milord's regardless of milord's behavior. I also question the Eyes of 13 Sages in their wisdom of how Pope Cuckoobeater is an easy vote at all. People have certainly not been treating him that way since my post, or um, even acknowledging me in general, really... ...maybe that's for the better...

Lord Dechronos' recent post looks bad, since there's no reason Ms. Pleiades' actions are scummier after a while of not posting. If anything, they would just become less relevant, and I feel that Lord Dechronos may be covering for the accusations against his priorities. ... his failure to account for his earlier vote on Master do Maron is saddening, too... I, um, apologize if we are not worthy of your time, lord, though I guess rabbits would have to worry less about temporality, but... yeah, um... were I to switch to a larger wagon, it would probably be you. S-sorry...

Nn... Ms. Milfall voting Master Aaaa for being like a vulture is curious, when Master Aaaa was the first to attack Lord Dechronos. If she could be pleasant enough to stay and explain why Master Aaaa is grouped in with Lord Pumpkinquiche and similar players, I would be very thankful. ... ah, and if Mrs. Moriya could answer my humble prayers for a new votecount, that would be wonderful, too.

[Kilgamayan]

Getting closer to D1 deadline! Also this is starting to get a little messy so I'll start separating those with votes from those with no votes.

Lord Dechronos (3): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi, Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu
Lord Pumpkinquiche (1): Halloween Alice, Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi
Nuko Do Maron (1): Choker Joker, Lord Dechronos, Endymion
El Bobomboi (1): Lord Dechronos, Endymion, Baron Vladmu, Septentrion Pleiades, Pope Cuckoobeater
Eyes of 13 Sages (3): Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Pope Cuckoobeater, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Lord Pumpkinquiche
Choker Joker (1): Selena Milfall, Eyes of 13 Sages
Pope Cuckoobeater (2): El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Choker Joker, Halloween Alice
Pyoa Aaaa (1): Selena Milfall

Baron Vladmu (0): Nuko Do Maron, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi, Endymion
Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi, Pope Cuckoobeater
Halloween Alice (0): Lord Pumpkinquiche
Septentrion Pleiades (0): Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos
Endymion (0): Baron Vladmu, Nuko Do Maron

No vote cast: No one!

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. You have about 17.75 hours remaining.

[Kabuto]

Reading Choker didn't take long. He's made one other post, in which he votes the walking lynch me bomb The Pope good god you are impossible to tell apart. That's that other pumpkin that thinks it's a good idea to hop onto me for no reason. The cuckoolander fits. I think it's an easy vote. I'm still cool with where I am. You underestimate how far I will go to lynch someone who does not seem like they fit in during the happy flail times in the beginning.

I missed the part where joker is scum and the reasons for it.

[Sasword]

The Cuckoolander will be an easy target. I have forseen it with my wisdom. The eyes miss nothing when they gaze into the soul of the pumpkin. Cuckoos are not meant to make sense. Everyone is simply too overcome with wishes to take you home to say so. I have also forseen this.

I have changed my mind about the rabbitface. I find this disconcerning because he and I appear to be today's sensations. Also I have learned I have a wagon made up of an insane pumpkin, a lazy rabbit and a troll. I'm not sure how I feel about Aaaa or the giant kitty. Sadly I really have only had time to skim all the arguments. (I'm already not getting 8 hours of sleep.) I would love to destroy the Pumpkinqueer in order to improve quality of life. As is.. I don't think I'll be back before deadline, so I'll go for an Aaaa. I would rather lynch someone I can't remember after reading then someone who sticks in the mind like sandpaper.

##Unvote
##Vote: Pyoa Aaaa

My time is up for now. I wouldn't want to leave anyone hanging when you attempt to get that lynch you want and it's going to be obvious anyways, so I'll let you know I have the power to talk at night. I'm writing a song about it! So look forward to that tonight.

[Kabuto]

I would love to destroy the Lord Pumpkinqueer in order to improve quality of life. As is.. I don't think I'll be back before deadline, so I'll go for an Aaaa. I would rather lynch someone I can't remember after reading then someone who sticks in the mind like sandpaper.

[Sasword]

I refuse. You are Pumpkinqueer the no title. I on the other hand am a marvelous Funkasaurus. When you're a wall of eyes you have little to do but practice co-ordinated blinking and eye dances.

Early morning of opportunity lost to no one being around. I hope you're all happy. Sleeplesssness causes red-eye and you don't want to know how much scarier 13 crackly red angry stares are!

[Kilgamayan]

Due to the rampant 403s, I've decided to extend the game day an hour, as well as be slightly more lenient with prods. As much as no one has needed one yet.

[OOO]

Hmmm, yeah, I still feel like Dechronos is the best choice for me. I'm not sure how much time is left, although I guess I'll figure out when I look at the timestamp for this post. I may or may not be asleep during that time, I'll have to arrange a number of alarms.

Eyes needs a better reason for voting Pyoa then "he's not memorable", considering he just had a giant argument with Pumpkinquiche. Not really sure what to think of either of them, although Quiche's indignant attitude rubs me the wrong way.

Town lean: Baron, Alice
Slight Town Lean: Bomboi, Pope
Neutral/hard to read: Endy, Milfall, Pyoa
Slight Scum Lean/POST MORE: Eyes, PumpkinQuiche, Chokerjoker, Septenitron
Scum Lean: Dechronos

[OOO]

Ugh, if I go to sleep now I'll probably wake up much too close to deadline

I may/may not be there at deadline, I'll try though

[W]

Eyes of 13 Sages still has yet to give a reason for why its vote is where it is. Just getting that out there.

[Kick Hopper]

Stood up way too friggin' late and got curfew'd without warning.
##Unvote
Unwilling to continue the whole Quiche thing, but like I said, this sort of obtuseness also came from somebody with a similar playstyle before as scum, so I'm not willing to give him any town cred for it, he'd better earn it if he doesn't want me to focus on him anymore.

Anyway, the pillow has spoken and an epiphany came while I was falling asleep. Perhaps 13 Eyes' stuff since doesn't match up with the theory 100%, but I'll comment on it anyway since behavioural disconnects are pretty bad no matter where he placed his vote in the end.

My questioning of Quiche starts with his #107. He finally posts content and when I demand more due to the scarcity and succintness of it, he starts twitterposting. Like Nuko points in in its #123: "Anyway, I think Lord Pumkin is currently digging himself in a hole right now. I'm tempted to vote him", he's making himself an easy target. I keep pressing him, Alice quickly forgets about him and Milfall doesn't seem to like the issue, and when 13 Eyes appears, he  posts #134.
Take a good look at that post. He comments on people giving up actual content to scumhunt and pretty much aiming after easy targets, and then proceeds to question the easiest target at the time. Specially considering that Quiche was very, very obviously suffering from reactance bias and he wasn't going to get anywhere with it, even after I advised him to just focus on the rest of the game and get a case to see if Quiche updated his read after that, which would actually get him to do or not do something that could give us a better idea on him. And by the way, he never presented a case either, he just proceeded to gut vote on Aaaa, who should be popping up real soon to avoid a prod and who already had votes starting to pile up on him.

If I had to choose anybody to hang over actual reasons so far, it'd be Eyes. But again, meta makes me reluctant seeing that the player is likely one to settle with gut reads over actual scumhunting. And the behavioural tell isn't that terrible, except...

Now join me in the quest for actual scum or else! (Danbooru warning)

Yeah, that "Hey, look at me, I'm scumhunting!" thing. I'd be fine with his lynch if it weren't due to the terrible people on his wagon.

Still commenting on other stuffs.
My own gut pointed towards Milfall and Alice last night (yes, I know I've expressed liking for Alice before, but town reads, specially early ones with little to them, make me all the more wary). After what Alice pointed out regarding Milfall's vote on Pyoa Aaaa, I've started to develop some dislike towards her, and I would want to see more by her if she doesn't want me to be fine with her lynch over a single small thing.
That said, I also feel distrustful of Alice. While pressing Quiche back in #118 and #121 would also be the townie thing to do if she thought Quiche was playing badly as town, she seemed to have intent to vote for him, she also explained that she still preferred lynching Pope over the lords so that's not really the issue. The issue is more like it could also be seen as cheerleading Quiche's lynch if I stop being distracted by the adorable for a moment. I might just be getting paranoid over my town reads, but I guess that's still better than considering them solid and confirmation bias into a loss due to a D1 read. This questioning leads me to not quite like the things with Milfall or Dechronos even though they sound perfectly reasonable, I guess I'll just wait for moar posts.

Cut by Nuko and Dechronos.
Alarm clock set. Mafia is important business.
Bunny, do you have nothing to say regarding what Alice mentioned about your Pleiades FoS?

Will try to decide what to do with my vote now. I'd definitely be voting 13 Eyes if his wagon didn't rub me the wrong way, and I want to see what Pope has to say about recent events.

[Kick Hopper]

Anyway, the pillow has spoken and an epiphany came while I was falling asleep. Perhaps 13 Eyes' stuff since doesn't match up with the theory 100%, but I'll comment on it anyway since behavioural disconnects are pretty bad no matter where he placed his vote in the end.

To clarify this, when I noticed this contradiction last night, I had expected him to place his vote on Mr Quiche by the time I woke up, but he finally noticed that this would be voting for an easy target... and preferred to set his vote on somebody who wasn't there to argue with him (see his earlier posts and his jazz with Quiche making this hypocritical) instead, which isn't much better at all and makes me dislike him regardless.

[OOO]

Alarm(s) set, hope to have it actually wake me up (I'm sometimes prone to sleeping through it)

Will be back near deadline. I'd be willing to to lynch Eyes, Dechronos, or Quiche at this point for reasons otherwise stated earlier.

[W]

Bunny, do you have nothing to say regarding what Alice mentioned about your Pleiades FoS?

I'll assume that by "Bunny" you are referring to me instead of that whore.
Let us say that when I first mentioned Septatron Pleides I was waiting to see how she would carry herself. Would she continue providing generally lackluster cases that attempt to make herself look relevant to the game? I shall never know for what I received was nothing. I believe Septatron Pleides to be attempting to draw attention to herself early on in the game, where many things are ignored, so that she can coast by on the early attention she garnered. Her disappearance reinforces this view to myself which is why I find her all the more scummier for it.

[Kick Hopper]

Actually, both Pleiades and Pyoa were around before and chose not to share anything. Huh. Endymion was also around at some point, but he mentioned time issues and I like his involvement so far as opposed to pretty much everyone else's that isn't a giant cat's, so whatever.
...Wait, why isn't Pyoa in your "post moar" section, Nuko? he has only posted friggin' once and pretty much everything in it was reportery.

Pretty much everybody I dislike other than Eyes and Dechronos is either uncooperative or just plain gone. And since I already commented on all I thought was noteworthy on 13 Eyes, I'm going to ISO Dechronos for a second.

#55 -> Votes Nuko for... being the first to vote somebody for a reason, which albeit silly, helped the jump over the RVS fence. Despite the possiblity of interpreting the jerky vote in the same way, it feels like it's trying to discourage voting over jerky reasons and keep things at voting people for random voting other people, which doesn't get mafia anywhere, and who benefits from that? yup.

#105 -> Expresses dislike for Pleiades, but disregards voting her because she doesn't exist, to then move onto prodvoting 13 Eyes, who wasn't existing either. Bravo! This is either: a) horrible derp, b) scum vote fabrication disconnect or c) Dechronos!Pleiades scumteam slip, in the event that Dechronos knew Pleiades was going to continue not to exist for a while. C is of course convoluted paranoia so I'm going with B here.

#148 -> Attempt to justify prodvote with... more prod because Eyes hadn't put a vote out yet. While I was already urging him to do so, too. Vote continues to be useless and the #FoS on Pleiades is terrible like Alice pointed out.

#160 -> Justifies vote with Eyes' lack of scumhunting in his vote. I agree with this one, but it reads as a lazy "Why me? look at this guy, he's a lot worse".

##Vote: Dechronos

Cut by #164.
Disregarding Pleiades' vote as unimportant to the game couldn't be further from the truth, and considering the horribly lackluster reasoning for your vote a single post above her in your #55 that was never explained or followed up on, this is pretty much pots and kettles here.
And I'm baffled by your thought that she earned town cred from her contribution seeing that we're all awaiting more content by her in order to develop an opinon past her ED1 vote and nobody at all is giving her a town read. This isn't Maka Albarn we're talking about here.
The only difference between Pleiades and you here is that Pleiades isn't here for whatever reason, and people aren't attacking her because doing so would be useless prodvoting and bad play.

Nothing to comment on the Baron/Endymion/Nuko jazz? nothing to comment on Quiche? Doesn't Milfall look like she's coasting on two kinda decent looking posts a lot more effectively than Pleiades who is inevitably drawing attention due to being almost in prod zone?

[Kaku Seiga]

I'll start from where I Last posted.

El Bobomoi's vote on me is the convoluted one. His defence by saying that the suspicion on Baron Vladmu won't disappear so easily is undermined by how he threw it away for a much weaker vote. He admits it himself further down the line that it's plainly OMGUS. The reason given is based on the Assumption that I have a meta of lurking, which is irrelevant to what's happened in the game thus far.

@Selena Milfall #64 I didn't call your vote a park because you asked Baron Vladmu a question. It's not something he can just ignore like El Bobomoi's blanket accusation of him not putting Effort. Your vote has some threat to it because if he doesn't satisfactorily answer your questions, there's no reason to unvote him.

@Eyes of 13 Sages #65 What is this squirminess that you see? You still haven't described it. You seemed to be happy with your Choker Joker vote in #149 but switch to Pyoa Aaaa shortly afterwards. There was nothing new from Choker Joker all along, so what of him now? Neither of your votes show how much you think they are scum. And none of your posts tell us who you are calling scum either. How you say that you're happy to just lynch someone you can't remember is scummy because you really don't care what you're lynching.

@Pope Cuckoobeater #72 and Nuko do Maron #73 I disagree that Selena Milfall isn't giving enough reason in her posts. It might be weak, but it's been something that people can react to. There is also clearly more transparency in what she's thinking than the content that Eyes of 13 Sages gives us.

@Pyoa Aaaa #76 I can't make any sense of your post. I don't know who you're talking about at any stage of it. Do not use any more pronouns. Use names only.

@El Bobomoi #100 Again with the jumpy votes. If you agree that Eyes of 13 Sages made a terrible vote, who are you agreeing with and why does what you're agreeing with make the person scum? From your posts you aren't telling me that you're voting someone that you, to a large enough extent, think is scum. Your positions are open ended enough that if we have a day end scramble you'll be voting for the sake of a lynch, not voting to lynch a scum suspect.

@Lord Pumpkinquiche #111 I already spoke about Selena Milfall's vote above. Nuko do Maron's vote didn't try and make itself sound more justified than it actually was. As I said in the quoted post, Baron Vladmu faking a post restriction for people to ignore him is scummy, it's a fair reason for Nuko do Maron to vote him for.

@El Bobomoi #124 Your recent activity has simply been to jump onto whoever the new suspect is. Why must anyone have to give you content if you should create it yourself. Making people react and reading their reactions is scumhunting. Sitting back until something happens is not how town finds scum. Giving out a list of town reads is bad for several reasons. People that a lot of the players call town will no longer feel threatened. A player that is not under threat becomes complacent. And This sets off the cycle of apathy. When you look for scum in the people that aren't in your town list you have made a set of related assumptions. If the first set, your town list, is wrong, then your second set, the scum list, will also be wrong. A pick of independent scum suspects does not rely on guesses from unproven information.

@Eyes of 13 Sages #144 Your don't have the moral high ground to call Lord Pumpkinquiche for being obtuse when you were doing that all along. Nuko do Maron's mention in #123 that Lord Pumpkinquiche was talking himself into a hole. What you're doing comes off as jumping on an easy person. I don't see why you would spend this much effort trying to make him talk if you don't even think he's scum worth voting.

@Lord Dechronos #148 You still have the same suspects as your earlier vote post and that's not the big issue for my post. But that you call your vote a prod and later still want Eyes of 13 Sages to respond, is Eyes of 13 Sages scum to you yet? If not, then who is scum that you're willing to lynch?

@Eyes of 13 Sages #154 Your own words from not too long ago that 'You underestimate how far I will go to lynch someone who does not seem like they fit in during the happy flail times in the beginning.' means to me that you were going to push a Choker Joker lynch (which you now miraculously drop) or you don't care what you lynch.

@El Bobomoi #161 Firstly it's too late in the day to have an empty unvote. Secondly, you're still not scumhunting by your wait for content approach. The main wagons according to the votes at the time of your post were Lord Dechronos, Eyes of 13 Sages, Pope Cuckoobeater and Pyoa Aaaa. Deciding not to vote your (seemingly) strongest suspect, Eyes of 13 Sages, based on meta is pathetic. I find your lack of willingness to vote and state your commitment scummy. As I said earlier, this is leaving you a lot of space to join any wagon at the end of the day.

@Lord Dechronos #164 The same could be said of Choker Joker or Pyoa Aaaa who mirror the things that you're calling me scummy for. Your words and actions aren't matching up. I think you could very well have voted and tested me for scum. Had Eyes of 13 Sages given an answer you were happy with, you would have switched your vote over to me anyway since you called that one a prod yourself.

Lynching Choker Joker or Pyoa Aaaa at this stage would only amount to a lurker lynch. I wouldn't be opposed to it if we also get a clear indication of what people think about their posts. My questions for Lord Dechronos are above and will take a lot of good content to make up for how he's avoided everything else. I do want El Bobomoi lynched for the problems I've listed here. Eyes of 13 Sages will be my third choice lynch if it comes down to a scramble.

@El Bobomoi #165 Your vote choice does not convince me that you think Lord Dechronos is scum.

[W]

#105 -> Expresses dislike for Pleiades, but disregards voting her because she doesn't exist, to then move onto prodvoting 13 Eyes, who wasn't existing either. Bravo! This is either: a) horrible derp, b) scum vote fabrication disconnect or c) Dechronos!Pleiades scumteam slip, in the event that Dechronos knew Pleiades was going to continue not to exist for a while. C is of course convoluted paranoia so I'm going with B here.

Except for the fact that they're doing different things. Eyes of 13 Sages had put down a serious vote with no reasoning whatsoever.

#148 -> Attempt to justify prodvote with... more prod because Eyes hadn't put a vote out yet.

What are you talking about? Eyes of 13 Sages had a serious vote at the time, one that it is holding onto as we speak for no reason.

And I'm baffled by your thought that she earned town cred from her contribution seeing that we're all awaiting more content by her in order to develop an opinon past her ED1 vote and nobody at all is giving her a town read. This isn't Maka Albarn we're talking about here.

I stated "attempted" for a reason.

Nothing to comment on the Baron/Endymion/Nuko jazz?

Not in particular.

nothing to comment on Quiche?

Whilst he fails to contribute anything of value, I believe its lynch to be a complete crapshoot if it is who I think it is, and more importantly I believe that Eyes of 13 Sages is far more likely to be scum.

Doesn't Milfall look like she's coasting on two kinda decent looking posts a lot more effectively than Pleiades who is inevitably drawing attention due to being almost in prod zone?

I will look further into this.

And now I have been interrupted, I shall need to read these new developments.

[W]

What are you talking about? Eyes of 13 Sages had a serious vote at the time, one that it is holding onto as we speak for no reason.

This is actually incorrect. Eyes of 13 Sages has shifted its vote from Choker Joker to Pyoa Aaaa. This does not change the fact that it still has yet to explain the vote that it had been holding onto for the majority of the day.

[Kabuto]

Alarm(s) set, hope to have it actually wake me up (I'm sometimes prone to sleeping through it)

Will be back near deadline. I'd be willing to to lynch Eyes, Dechronos, or Quiche at this point for reasons otherwise stated earlier.

You want to lynch me because im smug?

[W]

My questions for Lord Dechronos are above

@Lord Dechronos #148 You still have the same suspects as your earlier vote post and that's not the big issue for my post. But that you call your vote a prod and later still want Eyes of 13 Sages to respond, is Eyes of 13 Sages scum to you yet? If not, then who is scum that you're willing to lynch?

I do believe that this is the only question directed towards myself. I shall state that I found Eyes of 13 Sages to be scummy from the moment that I placed my vote upon it. I still find it to be very scummy.

[W]

I will look further into this.

I do believe that you have a point, El Bobomoi. However this does not change the fact that I find Septatron Pleises' claims of voteparking to be unsubstantiated.
I continue to believe that Eyes of 13 Sages is the likeliest to be scum.
I find Lord Pumpkinquiche's continued behaviour to be rather outrageous and would find a it to be basis for a scumread were it to continue acting in the manner it is right now.

[W]

And with that I shall retire for the night. Fare thee well.

[Kick Hopper]

I'll start from where I Last posted.

El Bobomoi's vote on me is the convoluted one. His defence by saying that the suspicion on Baron Vladmu won't disappear so easily is undermined by how he threw it away for a much weaker vote. He admits it himself further down the line that it's plainly OMGUS. The reason given is based on the Assumption that I have a meta of lurking, which is irrelevant to what's happened in the game thus far.

There's a big difference between noticing and admitting that my votes had all been OMGUS-y (which is, by the way, not hard quen 1/4th of the game was on my ED1 wagon) throughout the early game and amounting my reasons for voting solely to that. I want to believe the reasons for all my votes were clear despite my amount of jumping, except perhaps the prodvote on 13 Eyes somewhere among the Endymion/Baron/Nuko/Pope exchange, and I'm pretty sure I explained how I didn't feel any of the active players at the time seemed scummy to me. Not setting down a vote was hypocritical after pushing Pope hard for a vote, so I went and read back to see who seemed most likely to be scum out of those who had posted little.

@El Bobomoi #100 Again with the jumpy votes. If you agree that Eyes of 13 Sages made a terrible vote, who are you agreeing with and why does what you're agreeing with make the person scum? From your posts you aren't telling me that you're voting someone that you, to a large enough extent, think is scum. Your positions are open ended enough that if we have a day end scramble you'll be voting for the sake of a lynch, not voting to lynch a scum suspect.

Commented on this above. At first I thought I wasn't understanding his post properly, but it didn't seem like it was an issue just for myself but for everybody else and felt it really needed the clarifying I asked for earlier, since it seemed like it was attempting to give a reason to vote Joker but didn't put anything to it other than people wifoming without explaining who or why.

@El Bobomoi #124 Your recent activity has simply been to jump onto whoever the new suspect is. Why must anyone have to give you content if you should create it yourself. Making people react and reading their reactions is scumhunting. Sitting back until something happens is not how town finds scum. Giving out a list of town reads is bad for several reasons. People that a lot of the players call town will no longer feel threatened. A player that is not under threat becomes complacent. And This sets off the cycle of apathy. When you look for scum in the people that aren't in your town list you have made a set of related assumptions. If the first set, your town list, is wrong, then your second set, the scum list, will also be wrong. A pick of independent scum suspects does not rely on guesses from unproven information.

The apathy part amounts to bad play and any halfway decent player should be aware of it, and given that I initially commented on read confirmation bias and have already expressed willingness to reconsider my reads I don't see how pointing out those last things is relevant. My theory might have been wrong, fine, but saying I've been sitting back waiting for something to happen when I had explained that over half of the playerbase hadn't shown up to post more than once and I couldn't find scum among the active players is just pointing out the flaws in my play that I've already pointed out myself and am trying to fix by scumhunting with the little I have (which you also disapprove of later on for no reason whatsoever).

@El Bobomoi #161 Firstly it's too late in the day to have an empty unvote. Secondly, you're still not scumhunting by your wait for content approach. The main wagons according to the votes at the time of your post were Lord Dechronos, Eyes of 13 Sages, Pope Cuckoobeater and Pyoa Aaaa. Deciding not to vote your (seemingly) strongest suspect, Eyes of 13 Sages, based on meta is pathetic. I find your lack of willingness to vote and state your commitment scummy. As I said earlier, this is leaving you a lot of space to join any wagon at the end of the day.

Except my reason to not vote was disliking the people on his wagon and not the meta part that I quickly disregarded with a psychological tell, but yeah, keep misrepping me over the few flaws I poke at myself and try to fix right after. At this point I either a) continue the same way and slapfight with you or b) stop being transparent with my trains of thought and get poked at for being cryptic because confirmation bias all the way.

@El Bobomoi #165 Your vote choice does not convince me that you think Lord Dechronos is scum.

I don't have anything to say about this. You accuse me of not scumhunting properly, and when there's absolutely nothing to poke at in my post, you just disregard it as a whole without giving any reasoning as to why. You seem to have hung up yourself in confirmation bias alley since your ED1 vote and given your psychological analysis on the circle of apathy of generally town read players, you should be fully aware of this, it feels like you're just trying to justify an off-wagon vote to be original and avoid setting out scum-dars. Since yeah, any other questionable player right now seem to have wagons on them. That can't possibly have anything to do with why my vote moves around them.

Regarding the Baron thing which I seem to have cut off in the quotes or have forgotten to mention wherever it was, the only reason my no effort read on him changed is because, oh dear surprise, he started showing effort! I disliked him disappearing in the middle of the Endymion thing, and now disappearing again right after getting a post out there, but people have stuff to do and I can't judge in accordance to that, his content is decent and he's definitely trying harder than just quoting a mafiascum definition, he even gave up RP when he needed to unlike other players before to be helpful. Like Quiche pointed out, what made you vote me over any other votes at the time that were also retractable?

If I were to vote somebody who I really think could flip scum following Capt. H D1 scum-lynch guide it'd be Milfall, but I fail to find anything scummy in her posts, and setting out a gut vote at this point in the game would be even more terrible that unvoting emptily in a post and deciding my next lynch target shortly after because I'm still around and rereading. Not to mention that it is one of the things that I'm currently holding against 13 Eyes, who is otherwise my top scum suspect with reasoning backing it up, and doing so would be hypocritical as fuck.

If I'm open to many lynches at this point, it is solely because the amount of content is so tremendously terrible. I'm not an experienced player and am no professional at getting content going as should be pretty evident seeing the wagon I got on me ED1 when trying to jerk things out of RVS, so if you're willing to lynch me for what you consider bad play, go ahead, I'm doing what I can. It's not like you're not leaving youself open to lynch any of the more questionable players with wagons on them yourself.

I'm sorry for all the Appeal to Ridicule around the post but it's annoying when you question your own game pointing out your own flaws and make everybody aware that you're aware of them and trying to fix them, and still get poked at every single one of them that could be considered bad. I'll avoid OMGUSing over this despite feeling tempted to, but wait no I shouldn't say that because then my whole reasoning as to why this is one giant fabricated-seeming misrep will be boiled down to that. 'kay. Sorry again this is just ugh.

Will be looking at Dechronos when I get back from late lunch, this took way too long.

[Kilgamayan]

For future reference, since I've seen some confusion, El Bobomboi is female. Her mugshot makes this rather clear. Maybe I should post it later.

Don't have the time to update the vote count, but it doesn't really need one. There are a little under 8.5 hours to go.

[Punch Hopper]

I apologize for being really unavailable yesterday, but unfortunately, I'm still going to be completely unavailable for many more hours. I will, however, be back before deadline. The most I have time to do now is quickly skim what's happened since I've been gone and confirm that I'm still happy with my vote being where it is (On DeChronos), but everything else will have to wait until I have more time to actually properly read posts and think. I'm pretty late for things I'm supposed to be doing as it is now. Starting with D2 I should be around more then I have today, thankfully.

[Halloween Alice]

Ms. Bobomoi, I found Lord Pumpkinquiche to be scummy as a kneejerk reaction to his original vote, but the read wavered as he posted more. ...personally, I think his attacks seemed more righteous as he responded to the Eyes of 13 Sages.

Lord Dechronos' case on Ms. Pleiades is ultimately dumb because it doesn't consider timezones. His justifications of his stance on her have been awkward, and choosing to vote Eyes of 13 Sages over her early on looks like he was shooting for the target with more wagon potential. Pope Cuckoobeater has not returned to post, and I see there's little interest in lynching him, so:
##Unvote
##Vote: Lord Dechronos (L-2)

um... this is the last chance I'll have to post before deadline today, and even then... I lack the time to write anything significant.

So, goodnight everyone...

[Kick Hopper]

You want to lynch me because im smug?

Given the circumstances, this could've been due to sleepiness, but it is indeed odd. I would like the giant cat to clarify its reasons for lynching the Quiche when it gets back from its giant bed.


In other news, the slight rage has made me regain some of my manwomanliness and I've stopped sheeping Alice for being adorable. Given Dechronos' replies, I'm starting to see his train of thought a lot more clearly and find that we actually agree in many things, he's just being lazy about his comments on anything else that he doesn't think will flip scum like Quiche. The only thing I really disagree with is the Pleiades seeming more likely scum after her disappearing for a long time, and I'd like to see what he has to say about her regarding her more recent content aside from replying to questions.
##Unvote

Thus, things have changed since #161, I like Dechronos more, Quiche is just annoyingly null instead of annoyingly scum and I don't suffer from availability heuristic of the case on Pope which I didn't really agree with in the first place and I just noticed I never even mentioned in my reads post, and nobody called me out for it. Probably because I didn't point it out myself, huh?
If Pope is who I think it is, I'm not really worried by anything other than his lack of presence lately despite lots of people jumping on him for going for easy targets. Let's say he was the easiest target among the ones who seemed willing to vote easy targets, nobody seems to like a Giant Cat lynch or Me lynch even though we did pretty much the same thing at that stage of the day, specially when his switch was probably only due to the pressure Giant Cat and myself were putting on him.

##Vote: 13 Eyes
Mostly due to the disconnect in behaviour regarding easy targets and the psychological tell commented in #161.

So I like myself on the 13 Eyes wagon for now, although I will ask for a heavy justification from Pope if he decides to keep his vote where it is when he returns. Gut still points at Milfall, now somewhat towards Joker as well for the same horrible Capt H-ish reasons that shouldn't be determining my lynch preference but I got nothing else. I can't tell whether Pleiades' misrep on me is fabricated or just comes from hipster town; Pyoa who just cut me doesn't seem like he's going to be providing any content until the deadline so lynching him is out of the question regardless of how much I read his only other out-of-RVS-post; I have questions for Alice and Nuko that I want answering to in order to get a better read on them, and Baron keeps being neither sexy or unsexy. Outside his Endymion issue he could be considered a gut scum read similar to Milfall and Jester, but his being helpful during that regarding the RP misrep instead of pushing harder for the Endymion trying-to-availability-cascade-his-own-version-of-events clears him from that for me.

Unwilling to lynch atm: Endymion, Dechronos, Quiche (mostly due to this: "Whilst he fails to contribute anything of value, I believe its lynch to be a complete crapshoot if it is who I think it is", and not due to town read)
Willing to lynch: 13 Eyes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milfall > Jester.

Additional question for Nuko: It might seem completely unrelated, but what is your stance on the town reads thing that I commented?

Also Alice, I noticed your vote on Pope was due to cheerleading growing wagons, but like I commented earlier, your response to Quiche digging his own grave could be interpreted as the same thing. As town, would you not be aware of this and consider it a potential misrep to comment on in order to avoid?

Pleiades, I insist, what drove you to consider that my vote was a votepark at that stage of the game when it was pretty much still Random Voting Stage? You make no further point to this other than my vote being retractable, and that also applied to Nuko's upon the obvious observation that Baron's posts were not suffering from any restriction and that the vote would become meaningless once Baron posted something clearly unrestricted. In fact, expecting any vote to be solid at that stage of the game is pretty retarded in itself and was a stretch that I was willing to brush off as just another attempt to end RVS, but you have insisted on this point, and thus your tunneling on me based on it is heavily unjustified.

Cut by Alice leaving, hoping you can take 5 minutes to answer to my question there.

[Den-O]

Sorry, folks, have a bit of a headache here, but hopefully I should still be plenty coherent.

I do suppose my vote on you may have been influenced by my annoyance with your posts, I suppose that is not the most valid reasons.  To be honest I was also looking or a reason to get off the rather aging posts they had.
All of those FoS were on posts that were only just past RVS, there wasn't much information to go by, as compared to now, when there's three pages and plenty of people to get decent reads on.

Anyway, I think Lord Pumkin is currently digging himself in a hole right now. I'm tempted to vote him. Hoewever, I'd like to ##unvote and ##Vote: Lord Dechronos. His post at post-RVS was a pretty poor one, and used questions as a case, and just felt fake and not-try-y. Now his new sole post just has him jumping on the same old aged wagons that are pretty negligible at this point, aside from possibly Pleiades, and it doesn't make him look any better.

Eyes needs a better reason for voting Pyoa then "he's not memorable", considering he just had a giant argument with Pumpkinquiche. Not really sure what to think of either of them, although Quiche's indignant attitude rubs me the wrong way.

Town lean: Baron, Alice
Slight Town Lean: Bomboi, Pope
Neutral/hard to read: Endy, Milfall, Pyoa
Slight Scum Lean/POST MORE: Eyes, PumpkinQuiche, Chokerjoker, Septenitron
Scum Lean: Dechronos

Fair enough reason for voting me, although quite strange, but it reinforces my view that you're just standing by waiting for questionable posts to jump on. If you admit that the posts your #Fos'd were just out of RVS and pretty worthless, why FoS practically all of them without trying to distinguish between them? You know they can't all be scum. I know making questionable votes is how you get out of RVS, but it reminds me too much of all the times I saw scum throw dirt on townies slipping up in RVS (or was on the receiving end of), and it makes me queasy. I don't like it.
This actually doesn't change with your next town-scum list though. Your scum reads list is basically dominated by the low-content lurkers, save perhaps Dechronos who I'll go over later. Hard to tell if this is classic opportunism or lazy scumhunting. I also don't like how you describe Quiche's attitude as rubbing you the wrong way; again, it sets up an easy jump for you at deadline, especially since you listed him as having a slight scum lean.
Do other people get what I'm saying here? That said, I've never had a stellar Day One, so I'll probably read over him tonight to see if anything changes. I still think he's a good choice for scum, but we have something like 6 hours to deadline; we need to consolidate.

Quiche v. Eyes is a rhetoric fight that has more to do with measuring rulers than mafia. I think they would both be easier to read if they just plain stopped. I would like Quiche to explain what the hell he's on about, but I don't feel like lynching him, because it feels like Eyes is deliberately antagonizing him and he's just reacting to it.

Eyes said they would be able to talk during the night, didn't they? I'm fine with letting them catch up on the game then; I think the stuff people are voting them for has less to do with mafia and more to do with personality. They're a rather null slot for me; I'm disappointed with their activity today but I'm confident they can make that up tonight, yes?

Lord Dechronos smells like a repeat of the last time he pulled this schtick and I really wish he would stop tunneling for just one game. I do think his posting is more reactive than active though and I think he'd be my top choice for a lynch outside Giant Cat and Choker Joker. Repeating an obvious statement like "Eyes of 13 Sages has yet to account for its vote" is stupid when everyone in the thread can plainly see the same.

This does not change the fact that it still has yet to explain the vote that it had been holding onto for the majority of the day.

This is a fairly hypocritical point when you left your vote on the Cat for half the day and still haven't responded to (I think) other people's queries on such.

Pope Cuckoobeater makes me groan because despite my earlier read on him he simply hasn't logged in since his last post which means he's left hanging on a stale Eyes vote. I would like his opinion on my exchange with the Baron et al since he said he would be reading that and didn't mention it afterwards.

Choker Joker still needs death and the fact that everyone is still just glazing over him is mind-baffling when the bad content is just sitting there in the thread (I realize I'm at fault for this too because his latest post was before mine but I didn't see it as I had to vamoose >_>). His post is just taking potshots at people by trying to one-up them in arguments and the vote on Pope is not because he thinks the Pope is scummy but because he misread Milfall's post as being not serious??? If there's a vig it needs to go here.

I like the Baron's latest post, although he's gone back to that horrendous mode of speech. I was probably just getting stupidly mad earlier because I usually want to policy vig anyone who can't speak English.

##Unvote
##Vote: Lord Dechronos
L-2 I think, and I also think we have something like 6 hours left.

[Kilgamayan]

Rollin' rollin' rollin'

Lord Dechronos (5): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi, Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi, Halloween Alice, Endymion
El Bobomboi (1): Lord Dechronos, Endymion, Baron Vladmu, Septentrion Pleiades, Pope Cuckoobeater
Eyes of 13 Sages (4): Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Pope Cuckoobeater, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Lord Pumpkinquiche, El Bobomboi
Pope Cuckoobeater (1): El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Choker Joker, Halloween Alice
Pyoa Aaaa (2): Selena Milfall, Eyes of 13 Sages

Baron Vladmu (0): Nuko Do Maron, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi, Endymion
Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi, Pope Cuckoobeater
Halloween Alice (0): Lord Pumpkinquiche
Septentrion Pleiades (0): Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos
Endymion (0): Baron Vladmu, Nuko Do Maron
Lord Pumpkinquiche (0): Halloween Alice, Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi
Nuko Do Maron (0): Choker Joker, Lord Dechronos, Endymion
Choker Joker (0): Selena Milfall, Eyes of 13 Sages

No vote cast: No one!

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. You have less than 6 hours remaining.