Author Topic: Double Spoiler: speedrunning individual scenes (DSDQ video on Youtube!!!) (Read 85205 times)

I have no name · « **on:** May 02, 2012, 07:21:34 AM »

Third edit:
DSDQ VIDEO HERE

Second edit:
Thanks to all who participated in this process, I'll be handling the administrative parts and recording it and you can expect a DSDQ video up by the end of the summer. You guys are awesome, getting the total time for all 108 scenes down to under 46 minutes-an average of 25.56 seconds per scene.

First edit:
Alright, now that all 108 are done, here's what I need from the contributors (this can be PMed, but I need it before submission):
How you want to be referred to on SDA: The standard is first name "username" last name, but the real name is optional. keep this PG-13 guys.
Comments on the table as a whole (optional): this can be literally whatever, from comments on favorite ILs to sometihng completely unrelated.

Remember, you are all the man [/SDA-ism]

Original post:
So, it's an idea I've been bouncing around for a while, and since the school year is over for me, I've decided to go ahead with it. You may or may not know this, but I'm a pretty active member over at speeddemosarchive.com, and I've decided I want to work on an IL (individual level) table for Double Spoiler to submit. The thing is, I know that someone will almost definitely be able to do it better, and I want it to be the best it can be. So, I was hoping to garner enough interest between here and there to, between the forums, complete a submittable table. Every scene must be completed, using Aya (or Hatate, but that'd be a separate category outside of SP5-9), as quickly as humanly possible. So, what I need anyone who's interested in helping out with this to do is make a replay of yourself doing any scene in the game as fast as you can. Then you post it here or link to it, and I can compile them into a folder. I will be tracking current bests in the second post.

Just so you know, IL tables on SDA are often filled by multiple people, so yes, you will be credited for the work you put in. A short comment on each scene (perhaps attempt count, strategy discovery or the like) would be appreciated but it's not required.

So, who's with me in this undertaking?!

Link to SDA thread: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/touhou_12.5_double_spoiler_il_table_gathering_interest.html

I have no name · « **Reply #1 on:** May 02, 2012, 07:21:50 AM »

Current bests:
1-1: 97.51 by Ridley 64
1-2: 76.65 by Ridley 64
1-3: 76.40 by Random
1-4: 85.84 by Random
1-5: 70.38 by Random
1-6: 82.05 by Random

2-1: 100.77 by 大ナマズ様
2-2: 70.51 by Ridley 64
2-3: 95.42 by Ridley 64
2-4: 100.23 by Seiga Kaku
2-5: 101.70 by 大ナマズ様
2-6: 101.42 by 大ナマズ様

3-1: 100.35 by 大ナマズ様
3-2: 100.08 by 大ナマズ様
3-3: 99.61 by Ridley 64
3-4: 96.02 by Ridley 64
3-5: 95.00 by 大ナマズ様
3-6: 100.26 by 大ナマズ様
3-7: 104.01 by 大ナマズ様
3-8: 96.03 by 大ナマズ様

4-1: 102.46 by Random
4-2: 96.16 by 大ナマズ様
4-3: 94.36 by 大ナマズ様
4-4: 62.28 by Ridley 64
4-5: 101.55 by Random
4-6: 97.99 by Seiga Kaku
4-7: 95.77 by Random

5-1: 95.62 by Zil
5-2: 97.15 by 大ナマズ様
5-3: 88.02 by Random
5-4: 95.28 by 大ナマズ様
5-5: 90.87 by Random
5-6: 94.93 by Ridley 64
5-7: 101.40 by 大ナマズ様
5-8: 96.46 by 大ナマズ様

6-1: 96.12 by 大ナマズ様
6-2: 96.33 by 大ナマズ様
6-3: 85.46 by 大ナマズ様
6-4: 100.72 by Ridley 64
6-5: 101.55 by 大ナマズ様
6-6: 98.83 by Random
6-7: 98.03 by DarkDespair5
6-8: 83.39 by 大ナマズ様

7-1: 86.14 by 大ナマズ様
7-2: 84.94 by 大ナマズ様
7-3: 96.25 by 大ナマズ様
7-4: 96.11 by Random
7-5: 92.47 by 大ナマズ様
7-6: 87.48 by Ridley 64
7-7: 91.63 by 大ナマズ様

8-1: 128.58 by 大ナマズ様
8-2: 97.02 by 大ナマズ様
8-3: 137.38 by 大ナマズ様
8-4: 92.77 by 大ナマズ様
8-5: 129.35 by Random
8-6: 93.03 by 大ナマズ様
8-7: 129.37 by 大ナマズ様
8-8: 92.04 by 大ナマズ様

9-1: 161.89 by Random
9-2: 94.28 by 大ナマズ様
9-3: 167.05 by 大ナマズ様
9-4: 176.65 by Seiga Kaku
9-5: 103.45 by Random
9-6: 229.47 by 大ナマズ様
9-7: 187.65 by Random
9-8: 196.22 by 大ナマズ様

10-1: 175.56 by 大ナマズ様
10-2: 175.37 by 大ナマズ様
10-3: 168.05 by 大ナマズ様
10-4: 170.40 by 大ナマズ様
10-5: 167.56 by 大ナマズ様
10-6: 170.42 by Random
10-7: 168.40 by 大ナマズ様
10-8: 176.75 by Ridley 64

11-1: 171.66 by Seiga Kaku
11-2: 165.63 by 大ナマズ様
11-3: 180.07 by 大ナマズ様
11-4: 175.87 by 大ナマズ様
11-5: 165.25 by Seiga Kaku
11-6: 173.07 by 大ナマズ様
11-7: 176.69 by Random
11-8: 177.12 by 大ナマズ様

12-1: 177.02 by 大ナマズ様
12-2: 181.85 by Апатия
12-3: 174.48 by 大ナマズ様
12-4: 170.82 by 大ナマズ様
12-5: 165.75 by 大ナマズ様
12-6: 169.95 by Seiga Kaku (please live-record improvments to this, as this replay is a rare one that works)
12-7: 169.50 by Random
12-8: 254.99 by Seiga Kaku

EX-1: 174.04 by 大ナマズ様
EX-2: 177.67 by 大ナマズ様
EX-3: 178.14 by 大ナマズ様
EX-4: 183.15 by 大ナマズ様
EX-5: 175.43 by 大ナマズ様
EX-6: 180.75 by Random
EX-7: 170.47 by 大ナマズ様
EX-8: 177.50 by 大ナマズ様
EX-9: 149.85 by 大ナマズ様

SP-1: 18.56 by I have no name
SP-2: 177.04 by Ridley 64
SP-3: 115.19 by Ridley 64
SP-4: 89.34 by Ridley 64
SP-5: 18.56 by I have no name
SP-6: 182.57 by Ridley 64
SP-7: 183.14 by Ridley 64
SP-8: 177.73 by Ridley 64
SP-9: 163.39 by Ridley 64

I have no name · « **Reply #2 on:** May 02, 2012, 07:26:14 AM »

EXAMPLE SUBMISSION (this is also a real one from me)
4-5, 100.48 remaining
The strategy on this one is a little annoying as the first and third photos are luck. Lost a half a second by trying to jump the gun on the last photo.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20644

(mod note: sorry for triple posting, but all the information really fits best in 3 posts)

1-5, 69.64 remaining
This is a fun one. maybe sub-70 is possible?
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20645

10-1, 173.48 remaining
Pure survival.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20647

EX-6: 173.47 remaining
First capture, only 1 defensive shot taken. Maybe doable without any?
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20648

Zil · « **Reply #3 on:** May 02, 2012, 07:42:37 AM »

Well this will be a good excuse to redo all of the DS scenes, since most of my data vanished a while ago.

As it happens, I still have all of the replays from stage 7 and up, so I can just throw them all together I suppose. Maybe some will turn out to be fast. (And hopefully I attached them correctly.)

I'm not sure if the names of the replays are at all helpful, but they should be in the right order at least.

Zodiac · « **Reply #4 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:10:27 AM »

1-1, 96.60 remaining
98~99 maybe possible. :3
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20655

ARF · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2012, 03:52:35 PM »

1-2, 76.28
Lots of camera lag today, it's all below 5% though.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20662

1-3, 75.88
Not much strategy to talk about here
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20663

1-4, 85.42
Only vertical movement required
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20664

2-2, 70.20
Time your shots for when Hina comes around
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20665

2-4, 99.03
Hina goes offscreen at a bad time, and there's nothing you can do about it. Or is there?
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20666

3-3, 99.15
This one needs good timing, trying to be as fast as possible seems to be a bad idea here, wait for a fraction of a second to get more kunai for faster camera recharge instead.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20667

3-4, 95.03
I was trying to do it from the top of the screen for instant shots at first, but it was too hard to get into, should be easy to improve.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20668

3-5, 94.84
Moving through the rainbow to show off, but it's not a great time I think.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20669

3-7, 103.76
This one is just random.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20677

3-8, 95.45
I could have been more trigger happy I guess.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20678

4-4, 62.17
A normal clear, without caring for score. Momiji wants to snuggle.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20679

5-6, 94.60
It doesn't look like you can shoot Murasa at the very first wave of the second cycle, so there's no rush during the first cycle.
Replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20680

ARF · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:19:19 PM »

I'll try to make my posts shorter, sorry for the double post.
Attached a zip contains replays of 5-4, 6-7, 7-4, 8-8, 9-5 and 12-1
Filenames state the scene number and time left.

5-4, 94.72 Went out of charging too soon for the last shot, but it was pretty good attempt overall.
6-7, 97.73 This scene is just silly.
7-4 89.99 I managed to get two shots off during the first cycle once.. but the second missed Nazrin. I'm satisfied with this strategy though, it's a fair bit faster than the normal way.
8-8, 91.29 Not the best time, can be improved. I like the strategy though.
9-5. 102.38 No missed shots and no screen warping is good.
12-1, 175.63 This scene is also silly, could have been faster.

I have no name · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:41:57 PM »

I come back to say I finished a 6-7 in 97.60 and I see you did it with 97.73 left.

So I did it in 97.75. (Yes I beat you by 1 frame) :V

Updating best times.

Ok, please no emoticons in the comments guys. it makes re-formatting them a pain, and updating the table is already a time-consuming, sort of tedious task.

@Ridley, very nice optimizations.

Ridley 64 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:45:32 PM »

1-1, 96.89 remaining
The fourth and fifth shots are slightly tricky since Minoriko is just out of reach. Entering the very edge of the bullets is needed to take those shots quickly. Sub-97 should be doable.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20684

1-4, 85.48 remaining
This one depends a lot on Minoriko's random movements. I captured almost all of the red bullets on the first shot and captured all of the red bullets as they spawned on the second shot.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20685

1-5, 70.05 remaining
Sub-70 BV A lot of luck involved since double focus makes it hard to dodge all the bullets. I realized it was helpful or even necessary to stay close to Shizuha so that I could capture more bullets and thus charge faster.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20686

Chuckolator · « **Reply #9 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:05:22 PM »

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20687

10-8, 176.34 left on final frame. Can't see it ending much quicker than this, though it's surely possible.

ARF · « **Reply #10 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:06:34 PM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 02, 2012, 10:41:57 PM

I come back to say I finished a 6-7 in 97.60 and I see you did it with 97.73 left.

So I did it in 97.75. (Yes I beat you by 1 frame) :V

Updating best times.

Nice, competition makes the end results better.

10-1, 173.96
Take it easy!
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20688

Quote from: I have no name on May 02, 2012, 10:41:57 PM

@Ridley, very nice optimizations.

Seconded, GJ.

BT · « **Reply #11 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:10:08 PM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 02, 2012, 10:41:57 PM

I come back to say I finished a 6-7 in 97.60 and I see you did it with 97.73 left.

So I did it in 97.75. (Yes I beat you by 1 frame) :V

Updating best times.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20689 - 6-7 - 97:80

HEH.

Also did 2-2 and 3-3 but was outclassed.

I have no name · « **Reply #12 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:17:11 PM »

Updating table again.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20690
Have a 7-4 with 93.01 left.

Chuckolator · « **Reply #13 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:19:09 PM »

*cough97.87cough*

<_<

BT · « **Reply #14 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:20:37 PM »

Funny, because I just improved it with a 97.87.

And then I did this.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20692 - 6-7 - 98:00

It's even funnier because this isn't optimal. Proof being that I took pictures so fast one time I literally went ahead of the pattern and died due to the superfast stuff. Yeeeaaaaaaah.

e: Trying to improve this, I just did 98:00 again. Twice. In a row. That makes it three times and no improvement.

BT · « **Reply #15 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:34:51 PM »

Goddammit I keep going too fast.

An improvement is definitely humanly possible because it is humanly possible to fluke your way through the superfast stuff.

It happened once. Which is enough to prove that it can happen five times.

Jesus christ.

I have no name · « **Reply #16 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:37:40 PM »

Quote from: BT on May 02, 2012, 11:34:51 PM

Goddammit I keep going too fast.

An improvement is definitely humanly possible because it is humanly possible to fluke your way through the superfast stuff.

It happened once. Which is enough to prove that it can happen five times.

Jesus christ.

It only needs to happen 4 at most.

Keep posting improvements and new times, I'll update the table either around midnight or tomorrow morning.

Chuckolator · « **Reply #17 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:39:58 PM »

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20693

5-7, 100.04 seconds. I'm happy with this.

ARF · « **Reply #18 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:55:39 PM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 02, 2012, 11:17:11 PM

Updating table again.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20690
Have a 7-4 with 93.01 left.

Nice!

You guys are crazy!

Chuckolator · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2012, 12:00:26 AM »

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20694

6-4, 100.37 seconds. I did this my third try, so I'm sure there's room for improvement.

BT · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2012, 12:24:38 AM »

^

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20695 6-4, 100.47

Can be improved more but I think I'm calling it a day. -_-

Ridley 64 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2012, 01:42:41 AM »

2-1: 99.49 s
I was delayed a bit by the micro-dodging before the second shot, so there's room for improvement here.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20697

2-3: 90.32 s
This one isn't too speed-friendly. I waited to take the third shot so I could cancel some hearts. A faster run would have a bit more dodging to do.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20698

2-4: 99.15 s
Have to get lucky with how the bullets form. Staying in the middle makes it easier to catch Hina when she's on the sides.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20699

2-5: 100.45 s
The third shot is probably the hardest. Changing direction midway through the bullets helps.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20700

2-6: 100.22 s
This one really punishes speed. The blue bullets are aimed in some way, but I'm not sure if there is always a bullet aimed directly at your hitbox or not. I eventually found that you could tap your way through the blue waves, but it's hard to do 2.5 times in a row.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20701

Zil · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2012, 03:12:40 AM »

9-3, 165.21
Scoring this and speedrunning it are very different, though both are very dependent on luck. In this case, hope she doesn't force you to unfocus.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20705

I mistakenly named the replay 9-1, but it's 9-3. I like how the uploader is full of DS replays.

e:
10-7, 167.11
It took some planning. This is the best path I was able to come up with.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20710

10-8, 170.14
Better than my old replay. This is the kind of spell you can do by standing completely still and hoping nothing hits you as you take pictures as quickly as possible. I didn't do that, of course.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20711

Zodiac · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2012, 01:21:42 PM »

9-7, 187.34 remaining
this scene . . . .
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20715

ARF · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2012, 03:25:08 PM »

2-3, 94.57
Those last two shots man...
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20716

2-5, 101.19
Pretty straightforward, I was lucky to catch that blue burst in the third shot.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20717

3-1, 98.33
Yamame's movements can screw you over somewhat. Last shot was quite slow, it's a decent starting point I guess.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20718

3-2, 99.03
Some excellent timing required to get a good time, the small bullets are just whitenoise.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20719

3-6, 97.63
Aya gets a real good closeup shot at Kisume in the end.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20720

BT · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2012, 04:22:46 PM »

6-6 - 97.74 - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20724

Not optimalized.

4-1 - 101.02 - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20725

Not optimalized.

I have no name · « **Reply #26 on:** May 03, 2012, 05:20:03 PM »

Table updated through here.
Ridley, I beat your 2-6 in a couple of tries, by dodging through the blues :V
Zodiac, thanks for getting 9-7 out of the way early.
大ナマズ様, great job blowing away the early scenes
Zil, Seiga, BT, nice strats.

@everyone, if I missed one of your times and it's the fastest for that scene, don't hesistate to point it out to me.

Zil · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2012, 05:52:44 PM »

12-1, 175.81
I think I was charging the entire time, aside from the occasional fraction of a second needed to unfocus and take a picture. To go faster I guess you'd have to capture more bullets per shot.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20729

12-2, 169.18
Kill the clone, take a picture. Doing it without killing the clone is beyond me.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20730'

12-4, 168.04
I just took pictures as fast as I could.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20731

I didn't realize Seiga already had a better 10-8 up. :V

Also, you put my 9-3 as 9-1. It's "Brain Fingerprint," I just named the replay wrong.

I have no name · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2012, 06:22:45 PM »

Quote from: Zil on May 03, 2012, 05:52:44 PM

Kill the clone, take a picture. Doing it without killing the clone is beyond me.

Also, you put my 9-3 as 9-1. It's "Brain Fingerprint," I just named the replay wrong.

If it's beyond you, why is not beyond me?
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20733
181.70 left if anyone wants to challenge my time

and fixed.

BT · « **Reply #29 on:** May 03, 2012, 06:46:48 PM »

10-3 - 166.92 - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20734

Going through stone buddies like they were no thing.

Their hotboxes actually make this deceptively tight. Not to mention, the bullets that spawn from beneath can potentially box you in if you're not careful.

Survival wasn't a trivial thing so some of my shots weren't lightning-fast, meaning this can be improved.