So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 1)

[Dr Rawr]

DrRawr posting something relevant would be, like, totally cool and SHIZUNAS, you know?

i like shizuhas....

That thing between ihavenoname and lady lambdadelta more or less sounds like desperate scum to me. Saying hes scum hunting and not asking any questions or furthering his case on bob.

I felt Serela was scummy and went looking for potential reasons.  That was one of the ones I came up with, which was also a reason why I may be getting a false positive.

really? so rather then actually make a case or anything you come up with some imaginary reason for scumserela? Also ihavenoname hasnt even mentioned ANY of serela with that back and forth earlier. Also for those who cant remember said serela was scummy because of px....

Dorian and Dan have acted similarly all game, active lurking their way through.  However, Dan appears to have a case to put together making him slightly more town to me.  I'm interested to see how the rest of it looks, Dormio is admittedly a pretty null read from me.

why dorian over dan? you seemed more confident in scumdan when you said it.

Your scumhunting involves agreeing people and voting lurkers, which is what. Your own cases are either weak or never followed up on.

Dorian and omba are bothering the futo out of me. Dorian passing people off as town because of there slight reactions of his claim. Omba for still going "x is just being x".

[Dr Rawr]

posting more reads later

[Conqueror]

I had a pretty strong town read on Serela early in the game, but like rawr, he's done almost nothing after the explosion and is hanging on to a stale Affinity vote based on reasons that don't even apply anymore. Also want to hear from Serela how Dan and BT are scummy besides AAAAAAAAA. Serela is still townier than rawr, but both of them need to check in with recent events.

BT going wheee LLD and Chaore are both scum is and he needs to explain exactly what he's trying to convey by his vote. I don't think he's scum though, due to his logic on other issues flowing well with my thoughts.

I think Omba and Chaore are both really stretching the BT case, but I can't find anything horribly wrong in those silly back and forths. Both pretty null to me and deserving of a reread; wouldn't want to see either of them lynched today.

Bob claims he's conservative with his vote, but I looked through his past games, and he was far more willing to take stances and place down a bloody vote, especially since in any other game Day 1 would have been over by now. I'm not sure how much of this is uncertain town or uncertain scum, but I'm currently leaning towards the latter.

I have no name is spastic and impossible to read.

[Conqueror]

Cut by rawr, which invalidates my point on him, but I eagerly await his other reads. ^_^/

[Conqueror]

@Conq: Your explanation seems fine, though sort of late, but what do you think of Dan in relation to Dorian now?  What has Dan 'produced of note' so far when compared to Dorian, if you think that Dorian's lack of reads on anyone else is the main thing against him?  Who are your secondary scumreads?

I don't buy Dan's cases on Dormio and LLD, but they seem valid to me in that they're weak cases born out of a reaction to other weak cases that come straight out of box silliness. tl;dr people are being AH, WHIP ME MORE LOUISE~. I'm not sure how to describe Dorian's case other than it reads more like scum trying to make a case and failing rather than town whose reads are being blinded by anger.

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[ActionDan]

Hi I'm here to say I absolutely despise this game.

;-;

I'm secretly hoping that Conq is cult and that he'll cult me so I don't have to share my win condition with the rest of you.

@Dorian (and I guess to K4u where applicable):

You want to have a serious post game discussion with me about how claimed ITPs should die?  You are leaving out one small detail.  Context.  If you are an ITP that specifically trys to kill Cult (which is a big threat to the town) tell me exactly how town benifits from your death? Hmm?   There are in fact rare cases where ITPs are benign and don't negatively affect town.  I'm pretty sure your vote on me boils down to "when Dan thought I was an ITP, he didn't tell me to burn in a fire, thus he couldn't have had town's best interests in mind".  I still don't get Kitten's deal with why she thinks my response to the claim was bad.  Is it just that I didn't account for it being a red herring? Because if so, such a determination could be made on later days where inevitably one way or the other, evidence of a cult or not will turn up, and from there it would be easier to look into whether Dorian's claim was a fabrication or not.   Also I was under the impression that a role like 'town anti-cult vig' would be unrecruitable.

@At whomever questioned my town read of Capt.h vs. others on my wagon

I got a town read off of Capt.h ED1 wherein he took what little there was and made the insight that Rawr was town.  It was very much in line with what I was thinking and the conviction seemed genuine so I wrote off capt.h as town.  I still want to punch him and strip of his 'sane' townie title because I think he's treated me like dirt.

I think BT is town.  He's open-minded and nothing he's done has pinged my gut what-so-ever.  I am depressed that the wagons are BT/Dan/Dorian.  I'll see what I can do to work to change it. 

cuts.

@Conq Dormio pulled a BAD case out of his WHOOHOO in IMP mafia on me, and I swear the DORMIONESS of this one is on the same level.

[Conqueror]

Keep postin'

[Conqueror]

Also @Dan. I'll just say that as town, I've had Dormio on my tail for an entire day in Path of Radiance Mafia, and town LLD as Bathory on Shiba in Graveyard Anonymafia for two days. I think you're all being AH, PUNISH ME MORE EIKI-SAMA~

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

AtE much, scumskies?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

PS. Pretty sure your case on me is even more bs, scumskies.

[Conqueror]

zzz
I swear if this mess is 100% organic town like I think it is y'all need to learn how to not piss each other off so much.
Haha, what am I thinking? Mafia players, psshh.

[Kitten4u]

I didn't even realize you thought he was third party until it was pointed out to me and I read it again.  It was awful because you were expecting something that could still not happen even if he was town being completely honest.  Though, I suppose you thinking he was third party makes it slightly less awful.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Writing posts in the middle of lectures hell yeah.

Anyway, somebody tell me how all of Dan's responses haven't been rubbish and scummy.
I mean Conq even said that they're all reactionary and he's just getting angry that he has votes on him and whatnot. I dunno about you, but I think that this sort of reaction is far more likely to come from scum rather than town.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I mean he doesn't even bother to put in the effort to address my nice bullet-pointed post.
He just goes "your case is bs and you must be scum". Like, seriously, OMGUS much mate?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

My memory may be faulty but I don't think he's really been addressing ANY of the cases on him so far.
He just yells about how angry he is and how stupid everyone that's voting him is.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So yeah, Dan is like, totally scum and stuff.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, now that someone mentioned it, where DID Serela go?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Double-triple posting most town etc.

[Conqueror]

Serela is apparently sick but I still want him to have an actual opinion on current stuff, totes.
I mean it's not like that Affinity vote is doing anything and I don't want Serela waltzing in at deadline to randomly throw his vote on one of the wagons without any accountability.

[ActionDan]

I'll be ~*~honkingly~*~ honest. 

I &dislike& their &insides&.  These people literally don't have the capacity to step into other people's shoes.  I think Dormio's style this game is like his usual town self,  except his case is a Shadoweh-awful misrep of everything I've done this game.   I've sent a rage-post to the mod with those exact feelings. 

And I see he's chewing at the bit. 

Dormio you're a %pawn from that opening where it gets taken%.  And I bet you SOMETHING know it.

You know what.

##Unvote
##Vote Bob

Call it a GOSH DARN Shadoweh feeling.  I POLITELY want to die.  I'll address LLD more directly in a bit.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

AtE much, scumskies?

[Conqueror]

You people need to chill out. >_>

Why Bob? I mean, it's not like he's the pinnacle of town, but I doubt we're going to flash wagon him.

[Dr Rawr]

I have no problem with lynching bob

[Conqueror]

Well, I guess that's not entirely what I meant. Eh, I vastly prefer a Dorian wagon, although I suppose I'd prefer Bob over BT or Dan.

[ActionDan]

You people need to chill out. >_>

Why Bob? I mean, it's not like he's the pinnacle of town, but I doubt we're going to flash wagon him.

He has no presence.  I haven't sensed people actively pushing Scum agendas, so I get the feeling scum is hanging back a bit, and Bob fits the bill.  This is 100% gut.

[Shadoweh]

Two, You Stick Your Vote In That Thirteenth Votecount

Affinity (1): Serela
Action Dan (4): Lady Lambdadelta, Dormio, capt.h, Dorian G.
I have no name (1): Dr. Rawr
BT (3): Chaore, Omba, Affinity
Dorian G. (3): Conqueror, I have no name, Kitten4u
Chaore: (1): BT
Mr. Bob (1): Action Dan
Dormio (0):
capt.h (0) :
Kitten4u (0):
Dr. Rawr (0):
Omba (0):
Serela (0): 
Conqueror (0):
Lady Lambdadelta (0):

Not voting: Mr. Bob

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[Affinity]

Everyone has gone stubborn!  Everyone has gone nuttso! 

I think I'll retract my scumread on Conq; all of a sudden.  With the last flurry of posts, I (finally) have a clear idea on what he thinks of the situation right now (e.g the Dan-Dorian split) and why he wants Dorian lynched above everyone else.  Him being a beacon of sanity in this madness helps too.

I still find it hard to believe that Dorian would retract his scumread on capt.h if he were scum, when he could have held onto it to prevent being exposed like that.  However, I'll have to agree with the rest that his reaction-based Dan vote, while being consistent with his so-called 'gambit', is terrible and negates the above opinion I had on him completely.  His psuedo-reads on others, which actually say a whole lot of nothing, is also terrible.  There's also this detachment from the game with his whole reaction changing, and that's pretty evident of minimizing connections with scumbuddies (if he's scum).  I know this is a 180 from my previous opinion on him, but his previous two posts negated everything I found townie about him, namely his original capt.h case and his retract (which is now masked as a 'gambit' + token opinions).

##Unvote
##Vote: Dorian

Out of all the other pairs of hate, Dormio-Dan is still a pile of foolishness, though I think Dan's sudden turnaround in thinking that Dormio is town and changing to Bob to be slightly praise-worthy, and that Dormio's inanely stubborn tunnel-vision (he's not reading the many posts on why his case is bad) is indicative of town.  BT-Chaore is also feeling to be very stupid, but while I can at least agree with some facets of Chaore's case on BT (through the LLD vote for example), I don't think BT's switch to Chaore is town-minded, and rather, indicative of a personal feud.  Still not comfortable with his LLD vote in the middle of the day, and his Chaore vote makes me doubt his priorities in general.  As of now, however, Bob, Serela, rawr, and to some extent, Nameless capt.h, are all liabilities to town and are more or less unreadable.  It all feels like a very ridiculous crapshooty game.

[capt. h]

Really?

I have town reads on Bob, Serela, and Rawr for various reasons. Though I haven't been able to make heads or tails of nameless yet.

[I have no name]

not asking any questions or furthering his case on bob.

There was nothing to further the case.  I addressed everything Bob said.  I suppose I could have asked questions, but I couldn't think of anything to ask.

so rather then actually make a case or anything you come up with some imaginary reason for scumserela? Also ihavenoname hasnt even mentioned ANY of serela with that back and forth earlier. Also for those who cant remember said serela was scummy because of px....

I said Serela seemed scummy, but I had no real reason to think so and so I posted a few reasons of why I may have been thinking that.    Serela was entirely done on gut, the "reasons" were my speculating as to why I thought that.  I've been over this already.

why dorian over dan?

Because Dan didn't roleclaim.  I've been over why the roleclaim does sit right with me from this post onward.

you seemed more confident in scumdan when you said it.

LLD requested 1 sentence.  I gave one, followed by an addendum.  Dorian is also being worse than Dan at the moment, because of the claim.

[I have no name]

So, rawr, any questions for me I haven't already addressed earlier in the thread?