MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN

[Shadoweh]

No stooop it we want you both to stay ;_;

Shady, be honest, is he looking like a better candidate because more people are voting for him then Serela?

X3 Okay I'm back to thinking nameless is adorable. AtE is Attack the Emotions, the accusation that you're trying to get people off of you with guilt instead of doing something townie. We can't just have the cop check you, we don't know if we HAVE a cop. They would have already checked someone last night. And if we let you live to check you tonight, that means they won't get to check someone else suspicious. And we can't take you at your word that you're not the scum that looks like town dear, if you were scum you would lie to us about that!

Besides, what good would it be for you to have stayed because you wanted to learn more if you don't put some oomph into it?

Suspicions change quick, especially with three deaths in a night. Help us understand you. Show me some of these 'little things' that you see in their posts. That's what the quote button is for. Tell us what that tone is, and why it makes you suspect them.

Lemme check something:

ShadyK: Builder Bob Town
I have no name: Clueless Town
huh what: Possibly not Kevorkian
Dormio: Dormio
Shadoweh: I'm Shadoweh! \^_^/

Can someone tell me why Affinity isn't scum by Process of Elimination? We're running out of people who can be suspects here and he's chugging along on the mislynch mobile. Oh well let's lynch Serela. Where is the line that makes my teeth hurt..

Uhm actually I'm going to post since I seem to have been cut 8 times.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

AtE is Attack the Emotions, the accusation that you're trying to get people off of you with guilt instead of doing something townie.

I always knew it as "Appeal to Emotion". Regardless, the definition is the same.

[Shadoweh]

Attack, Appeal, same thing, don't correct me Dormio. >_>

##Vote: Sereley

I mean, I know you're new, but we can't let you just coast by with THAT little of a contribution. I know, pot calling the kettle black, etc, things haven't exactly been working out for me so far ;_; But I'm working on fixing that! *Cough* Anyway. You were at least somewhat trying earlier. I'm seeing where all the votes on you are coming from, now, because... you've been coasting by without giving us the slightest idea of what your thoughts and motives are for a really long time now! (That is A Really Bad Thing(tm), by the way)

Thiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss aaaaaaaaaaaa

Especially that first line, we hates it we do. What do you mean we 'can't let them coast by' like that? You sound like you're chiding a misbehaving townie, but this is your argument for why you're voting him!

[Hanged Hourai]

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (1) -  I have no name
Dormio (0) - 
Serela (3) - huhwhat, Dormio, Shadoweh
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (3) -  Affinity, Serela, ShadyK
Shadoweh (0) - 
Affinity (0) -
Anthy (1) - ICE
ICE (0) -

Not voting: Anthy

I have no name is at L2
Serela is at L2


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends in ~45 hours.

[Shadoweh]

I admit that I am not sure about Anthy after the reads post. I mean that I'm not sure if he's scummy or not. One last thing before Kitten claws me for neglecting her to write this.

We need one of our suspects to be giving the hammer votes at all times. Remember what Dan said about scum bombmaker? We can't just forget something like that was a thing.

[Serela]

woo misrepping

Speaking of which, Serela makes me want to shoot him even more for attacking Nameless for posting a list of reads without explanation, then going on... to post a bunch of reads without explanation,

difference! I had a scum read and explained why. Most of the time town reads aren't explained much anyway. And I sort of did something with Affinity I guess.

##Vote Serela
In addition to what I said about Serela's D1 in #447, his voting behaviour today looks highly opportunistic to me.
For example, his current vote on IHNN. Where did that even come from? What changed you from reading his behaviour as "newb!null" (#119) to "Scum active-lurking" (#455)?
I mean, you never mentioned him at all outside of these two posts.
In addition to this, he had what can be summed up as no vote at all during D1.

Dormio, can you read what you're saying?
>What changed you from reading him as null between ED1 and Mid-D2
GEE
LETS SEE HERE
HOW MUCH HAPPENED SINCE THEN
For one thing, he actually sort of did stuff until around #150, as I said. After that he started coasting along without doing a thing for the next 300 posts of the game.
As for not mentioning him at all outside of those posts, that's sort of a moot point, considering I basically haven't posted between those two posts (Which isn't good either, but is different.). I had one post I made while I was super tired and the game was being really confusing and I just sort of vomited some words and then gave up and went to bed, I guess.

tl;dr Dormio's case is weird because he attacks me for reasons that are weird instead of totally legitimate reasons that do exist and are exploitable.

Can someone tell me why Affinity isn't scum by Process of Elimination? We're running out of people who can be suspects here and he's chugging along on the mislynch mobile.

Well... I only have three people that aren't town reads, I suppose, and he said at least one weird thing, but I'm not really sure I'd want to throw out a mostly null read as my decision to lynch for the day. It seems sort of early on to start using Process of Elimination to lynch someone instead of, say, actual reasons. Unless everyone else is really town I guess, but.

Especially that first line, we hates it we do. What do you mean we 'can't let them coast by' like that? You sound like you're chiding a misbehaving townie, but this is your argument for why you're voting him!

Uwaa that's just how I talk ;_; And he's so helpless looking ;_;

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Your only scum read still revolves around something you yourself would be doing if it were not for that scum read.

Still want to know why Anthy is town.

[Serela]

Your only scum read still revolves around something you yourself would be doing if it were not for that scum read.

Still want to know why Anthy is town.

I just think his 451 is p.good. He shows good thought processes on lots of people and is telling us what he thinks and why he thinks it and it makes sense and all that jazz. And then there's his earlier posts that I don't really remember anymore.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Well, his behaviour has remained roughly the same throughout the entire game.
In addition, you did never mention him at all until after Affinity and I were voting him.
You lambaste him for not doing anything, but how does this apply only to him and not to you?
Hypocrisy is scummy, yo.

Also, when you call my case weird, are you calling the entire thing weird, or only certain parts. Could you highlight which parts if it's the latter?

[Serela]

You lambaste him for not doing anything, but how does this apply only to him and not to you?

I'm doing things -now- at least. It's like... I'm not not doing anything anymore, via attacking someone else for not doing anything! It sort of defeats itself. But I digress. It's vaguely confusing to explain.

Dormio, what you're saying is still weird when you look at it. Are you expecting me to give him a free pass for not doing anything simply because I was nonexistent d1? That would be dumb.

>In addition to this, he had what can be summed up as no vote at all during D1.
This part of your case is valid I suppose.

[Serela]

>In addition, you did never mention him at all until after Affinity and I were voting him.
This would be more valid if I had made any posts before then.

[I have no name]

I come back from dinner and see things have changed a bit.

and if you want one of your suspects to drop the hammer, I seem to be one of the big ones, so if you want me to hammer Serela, then fine.

Ah, I wasn't trying to attack or appeal to emotions, I was just fed up with IRL stuff and letting the stress roll over to this.  I'm thinking more clearly now though.

The cop idea was stupid and I knew it as soon as I hit the post button.

[I have no name]

Ok, just read through the logs of an old mafia game (Generic F11 I believe it was), and Serela is acting a lot like the scum from that game...
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

*checks votecount
Right, that would be L-1.
##Unvote

I'll be away from whenever I leave until about 3 (16 hours from when I post).  If people still want Serela lynched then then I'll take the hammer (assuming scum bombmaker, which I doubt knowing the Homestuck canon as well as I do, Snowman made sense as a bomb role-wise)

honestly everyone else is probably pretty safe other than at this point we have 4 lynches left to get (probably) 3 scum (guess based off of the mafia game archive with scum/player ratios)

[Shadoweh]

Ok, just read through the logs of an old mafia game (Generic F11 I believe it was), and Serela is acting a lot like the scum from that game...

Was Serela scum in that game? >.>; Try checking Darker then Black Mafia, that's the last one I remember that had a Serela scum in it.

honestly everyone else is probably pretty safe other than at this point we have 4 lynches left to get (probably) 3 scum (guess based off of the mafia game archive with scum/player ratios)

Uhm if we get this one wrong we will have to lynch all three scum in a row. I actually wonder about that number. If there is a scum bombmaker, there might only be two.

[Serela]

Try checking Darker then Black Mafia, that's the last one I remember that had a Serela scum in it.

I was braindead in that game. Try Graveyard Mafia. I hold it together until around D3 at least, there. Plus it's a -lot- more recent.

[I have no name]

Was Serela scum in that game? >.>; Try checking Darker then Black Mafia, that's the last one I remember that had a Serela scum in it.

Nope, but still, similar playing to the scum making me wonder...

I was braindead in that game. Try Graveyard Mafia. I hold it together until around D3 at least, there. Plus it's a -lot- more recent.

ugh, anonymous posting.  From what I could get out of it, playing looks similar.

Uhm if we get this one wrong we will have to lynch all three scum in a row. I actually wonder about that number. If there is a scum bombmaker, there might only be two.

we have 4 lynches left to get (probably) 3 scum

That's what i said/I was including tonight's lynch

[Shady_Ghost]

ShadyK makes me sad for implying we're all terrible people. :ohdear:

WELL GOOD I dont remember implying this I forgot what I said but I think you're all nice people.

No stooop it we want you both to stay ;_;
Shady, be honest, is he looking like a better candidate because more people are voting for him then Serela?

OF COURSE NOT...well maybe a little.  I get the feeling Affinity somehow influenced me to vote for noname but I've got reason to believe he's town again.  The claim seems pretty legit and I am too easily influenced
##Unvote
Well I'd vote Serela but that'd be L-1 and stuff that.  Oh man Im so indecisive it hurts sometimes.  I guess I could reread the posts again but it's late and I dont feel like it.

[ICE]

Whyyyyy does no one want to lynch Anthy?

What has he done that's remotely town?

I'd like each person not voting anthy to give three reasons that Anthy is town in their next post.  Zero should involve WIFOM (i.e. 'scum would make more of an effort to look like a townie')

[ICE]

Also, no name, don't claim.

Seriously.

L-1 wagons are no reason to claim, unless there's serious intent to hammer, and no one wants that today.

Shadoweh, I see no reason to MC at this juncture, which means limiting claims as a whole.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I just think his 451 is p.good. He shows good thought processes on lots of people and is telling us what he thinks and why he thinks it and it makes sense and all that jazz. And then there's his earlier posts that I don't really remember anymore.

I don't think it looks necessarily townie because it doesn't end in a vote. Do you not have an issue with him playing passively? Anthy's passive play is one of the main reasons I suspect him.

Also, L-1 is not something to be afraid of.

ICE cut: If the Serela lynch becomes impossible for some reason I'd lynch Anthy, but Serela's conduct has been scummier and his wagon actually has consistent support. I'd rather have Anthy hammer than Nameless, for whatever that's worth.

You never elaborated on your Nameless vote, either.

[Hanged Hourai]

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) - 
Dormio (0) - 
Serela (3) - huhwhat, Dormio, Shadoweh
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (2) -  Affinity, Serela
Shadoweh (0) - 
Affinity (0) -
Anthy (1) - ICE
ICE (0) -

Not voting: Anthy, I have no name, ShadyK

Serela is at L2


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends in ~40 hours.

[Affinity]

What made huhwhat scummier than GreyICE in your decision to vote for him today, since you wanted him lynched yesterday?  I get the impression that you are just heaving weight on wagons.

Thing is that IHNM still suspected GreyICE, in his list and at the start of D2 despite the mason claim.  I do not see how it was wrong for me to ask this question, from his perspective.

It looks weird that you dropped ShadyK so fast because you thought your pressure wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't particularly late in the day, so you still had time to convince people of your read. What about his posts today made him read townier to you? I'm not seeing any changes in his behavior.

Most of the people had already voted when I switched, and most of them thought ShadyK town without even addressing my reasons.  Since he had already responded to my accusations, and I had nothing new on him, might as well make my vote more useful by voting on the more viable targets today.

===

I'm not comfortable with the way huhwhat seems to be dissing the IHNM wagon here from a distance, in that he seems to be clearing IHNM  based on his own opinions of how a newbtown is like, without directly addressing the valid points which were levied at him or questioning the people who made them other than Serela.  What exactly about the points against IHNM do you find disagreeable, huhwhat?

At the end of the day, I'm not sure if I agree with everyone on how opportunistic and strange Serela's vote on IHNM is, since the reasoning for voting him is more or less the same, it's just that his vote on an easy target for easy reasons and little else,  after five IRL days of effectual absence, is completely underwhelming.  Same goes with IHNM's sudden manipulation of his opinions in order to vote Serela, rendering his entire D1 and D2 useless; both of them are alike in that they effectively do nothing until they vote each other, and in this they are unreadable.  The thing is that IHNM has had posted more and was more active in heaving his weight on most available wagons without clear justification, such as ICE, huhwhat, etc, and thus I feel that he is the better choice for today's lynch if it comes down to a choice between the two, rather than Serela, who seemed to have IRL excuses. 

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Alright, let's get this out before I go to sleep.

I'm doing things -now- at least. It's like... I'm not not doing anything anymore, via attacking someone else for not doing anything! It sort of defeats itself. But I digress. It's vaguely confusing to explain.

Is this the part where I say something like: "Even if you admit you were wrong, that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong."
Because when you yourself say that your statement defeats itself, I don't exactly feel the urge to clamour in your townieness.

Dormio, what you're saying is still weird when you look at it. Are you expecting me to give him a free pass for not doing anything simply because I was nonexistent d1? That would be dumb.

It's not my fault if you claimed to be around at the end of D1, claimed to have a post written up and everything, but then supposedly lost the post and failed to reproduce any of its contents.
What I'm saying is that your timing is suspicious. You were clearly around before you switched to him, yet you failed to say anything about him at all.
To me, his content looks mostly the same throughout the entire game, so I asked for you to clarify why you saw him differently from how you did before.
You claim that IHNN did stuff before #150 and coasted afterwards, but I can't see it.
Feel like explaining to me how exactly his attitude changed?

>In addition, you did never mention him at all until after Affinity and I were voting him.
This would be more valid if I had made any posts before then.

The fact that you didn't exist up until that point doesn't do you any favors.
It might have also helped if you did that thing where you provided opinions on more than one person.

IHNN's attitude change after people started voting him instead of Serela is a thing. Whatever.

[ES-Anthy]

I don't think it looks necessarily townie because it doesn't end in a vote. Do you not have an issue with him playing passively? Anthy's passive play is one of the main reasons I suspect him.

Also, L-1 is not something to be afraid of.

ICE cut: If the Serela lynch becomes impossible for some reason I'd lynch Anthy, but Serela's conduct has been scummier and his wagon actually has consistent support. I'd rather have Anthy hammer than Nameless, for whatever that's worth.

You never elaborated on your Nameless vote, either.

I held off on throwing my vote on Serela due to the bandwagon already sitting on him, and wasn't exactly thinking with ShadyK.

Also if you guys wanna continue the whole use a suspect to hammer for lynches I'm totally up for it :V :V :V

[Shadoweh]

WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE NOT VOTING AT THIS STAGE. >8<
Anthy get your ass down on someone and vote. I don't care who as long as you state a reason behind it. If your intended wagon is full vote your second strongest suspect.

That goes for IHNN and Shady as well. There is no excuse for lollygagging around.

[Shadoweh]

Affinity is ignoring me trying to bait him. >.> I think that makes him more townie. He is swaying me again, I feel the swaying calling for me to like his nice townie words @_@

Dormio, if I'm reading what you're saying about Serela correctly. Your case on him is that he didn't do much Day 1 and.. he didn't do much Day 1. And nothing he can do ever will make up for that. There are about five people we could lynch today for a bad Day 1, including you. =.=

[I have no name]

WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE NOT VOTING AT THIS STAGE. >8<
That goes for IHNN and Shady as well. There is no excuse for lollygagging around.

Because I've been AFK for 13 hours.

Just to make sure before throwing my vote, are we lynching Serela or do I vote on my second most scummy prospect?
and if we are lynching Serela, who's hammering?

[Shadoweh]

We are not lynching anyone until there are less then 24 hours left in the day.

Vote for who you think is scum. I can't give you instructions other then that, the point of making you vote is to see what you do and why. Just tell us what you think and why you're doing what you do.

[ICE]

Sooo, no one is giving reasons on why obscum Anthy is town

/dislike

[I have no name]

Alright then, I'm also assuming we're avoiding L-1-ing people right now, ##Vote: Affinity
As people have mentioned, that vote on me was completely out of the blue and seemed like jumping on a bandwagon.

In addition, he completely disregarded the answer to his question I gave, and his reasoning for clearing Serela I fit all of them except D1 lurking.

he also distrusted my "sudden manipulation of opinions", which was me looking back at everything with a fresh mindset and realizing many of my original conclusions didn't make much sense.

All of these points are made entirely off of Affinity's #501.

We are not lynching anyone until there are less then 24 hours left in the day.

This is what I wanted to know, because Serela had enough support to be lynched immediately.