MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN

[ICE]

ICE it's called dealing with bs scholarship essays and school .<.

Joking aside what benefits is there in just shoving that 'secret' right out into the open then?  I know already I've made a stupid mistake on the part of potential scum baiting, but that still bugs the shit outta me cause you're making yourself a side of a barn on night one in my opinion. Will get out better opinions on everyone else when I can actually make a decent judgement with a full stomach.

SO YOU'RE ADMITTING THAT YOUR VOTE ON ME IS BLATANT ROLE FISHING?

YOU CAN BURN WITH TRIXIE

[ICE]

ICE, while you're around, can you explain what you have on Rawr that makes him obvscum? I'm not following it beyond "he has misconceptions about the game".

A beaaauuutifulll "Why Her" on Trixie where he complains that I'm voting Trixie for things that other townies are doing. 

An accusation of 'Active Lurking' that makes minimal sense to me.

Power Role Fishing in post #89 (though not... quite as blatant as Anthy)

That being said, Anthy fishing for PRs as hard as humanly possible while doing nothing else has sooooo promoted him to right behind the great and scummerful trixie

[Dr Rawr]

Oh hey thanks for reminding me, I would like a reanswer to my question on 88 thats not in a form of a question.

Also youve pretty much been adding words yourself to peoples post, could you please be so kind as to stop. I was not role fishing in my 89. Yes you have been making a bunch of uneeded posts or useless posts, so i guess active lurking is a thing for you.

[ICE]

Oh hey thanks for reminding me, I would like a reanswer to my question on 88 thats not in a form of a question.

Also youve pretty much been adding words yourself to peoples post, could you please be so kind as to stop. I was not role fishing in my 89. Yes you have been making a bunch of uneeded posts or useless posts, so i guess active lurking is a thing for you.

I guess it is just a thing for me!  By the way, thanks for admitting you know I'm town ^_^ 

Very good of you, Rawr. 

Dun worry, we have lots of rope!

[Shadoweh]

So youre saying you would be ok if shadoweh were to go on a spree getting town lynched just because your secret thing with shadoweh makes her town?

This can be interpreted as you asking how strong his 'thing' is on me, IE looking to find out his role. I don't believe it's an unfair accusation. I'm not sure what you intended with this question if that wasn't the case.

Serela made a post that basically says 'there sure are alot of people' and jumps on the nearest bandwagon. >_>

[I have no name]

ok, now I'm back.  Read through everything, and I did say I'd vote when I got back so I'm going to do that now.
##Vote: ICE
I really hope my guess is correct and that it's not just a playstyle difference/me being a noob.

Ihavenoname, Dr.Rawr, ShadyK, and Anthy are all I -think- pretty new to mafia and as such probably unreadable to me for awhile (I hear Noname is obvtown but I don't have the attention span to evaluate this anymore, maybe after a good night's rest). That's... a significant chunk of the player list, which makes me sadface.

That's fair. (and this is my first game so you're correct...but everyone starts somewhere)

Hopefully their derp will be readable by late D2 like Rawr was last game!

Hey... :ohdear:

(1 new post)
Rawr still seems neutral leaning towards scum, Dormio is leaning towards town.
Shadoweh also seems town, as does Serela.  Unsure about basically everyone else I haven't mentioned yet.

(1 new post...again)

[ES-Anthy]

You know what, I'm leaving my vote on ICE for now, as honestly it's not a serious threat at all to 'the glorious ICE' as her personality shows.  Throughout this game so far it's been a string of poking and claiming wildly without much explanation.

1.Claiming Shadoweh was town with no explanation other than 'sekrets'
2.Dormio and Trixie for unexplained gut and a ED1 OMGUS
3.simple lurking is scummy being taken to totalitarian serious.

Along with the fact you think my vote was to get your role out of you then you're jumping the gun before the bullet is even the chamber, it's pretty damn obvious it's either a conjoined role of some sort or a contrived bastard role for this game, which either one isn't something just to flaunt about still like a WMD, but then apparently I'm not a source of the smartest choices so far either, now lets actually get a response that doesn't sum up to 'are u getting mad?' . < .

P.S>: Shadoweh, yes I am somewhat annoyed that ICE is making a target out of herself cause if she is down, and does have ~*~special powers~*~ they shouldn't be flailed about to be shot so soon unless it's something absurd like a gun owner.  It's attention grabbing and it doesn't help that ICE in general annoys me and hasn't contributed other than jabbing with small pins to get more reactions.

In other news of looking over people, Dormio doesn't bug me at all other than the beginning aggressive advance, but then that soon fizzled out.

Shadoweh is at least being active and adding sense, and honestly is the only other thing protecting ICE (As ICE's personality and choice provocation is the first), defending a secret cause it isn't the 'pro-town' choice to question it is, sketchy in my opinion.  It isn't only a question of town or scum, people in general will want to damn know what the secret when someone taunts them with it.  At the moment I really don't see much defense from others of such action other than you.  I'm not calling scum or any of that crap now, but honestly I swear there's something between you and ICE in this scenario, and it's bugging the shit outta me.

Anyone else honestly my brain is not giving a care in the world right now, I need to step back before I decide to stab my face open, and maybe actually get some damn sleep.

tl;dr: I don't like ICE and her sekrets of secrets and poking people with one sentence explanations that aren't really explanations and shadoweh defending ICE is bugging me, I don't care if it's the 'town' thing to do, covering for someone like that on such a thing just bugs the crap out of me.

[ICE]

This can be interpreted as you asking how strong his 'thing' is on me, IE looking to find out his role. I don't believe it's an unfair accusation. I'm not sure what you intended with this question if that wasn't the case.

Serela made a post that basically says 'there sure are alot of people' and jumps on the nearest bandwagon. >_>

But Serela is voting for Trixie, and Trixie's last post was so very awful.

[ICE]

Hey Anthy, as far as I can tell you've commented on me, and tangentally Shadoweh, in this entire game.

Opinions on ActionDan, Trixie, and I have no name!

[ES-Anthy]

Give me some damn opinions of your own other than TRIXIE MUST BURRRRRN you pyro . < .

ActionDan: Overall pursuing points, during dormio spark he was sticking rather meta.  Though again it fizzled out so not much there is worth it.  I really don't have much for his points of pursual at the moment.

Trixie:Lurkers lurk are lurking bleh,  honestly I'm not exactly one for the 'active lurkers = scum' camp mostly cause you can't just randomly throw something in here while you're always on otherwise you're prone to a mistake or two, not everyone is a well of posts . < .

I have no name: Feels like how I felt first game, a little flippy/floppy and easy to push into unvoting, but has resolved a bit better.  Opinions are a bit iffy, but then playing neutral is an iffy thing to do in mafia.

Honestly none of them are flipping any switches or sparking up anything to me, and honestly I do expect something more out of you ICE.

[Shady_Ghost]

I'd like to see ShadyK take a solid, non-waffly stance on a player who isn't a fellow newbie. The Nameless wagon is unimpressive and trying to avoid picking unwinnable fights with stronger players is a reasonable newbscum action.

Wait why single me out?  I'll admit I've been kinda on and off with my judgment on the stronger players however I'm not trying to impress anyone here dunno what that is all about.  I dunno what kinda stance you want from me but here's what I think as of now.  ICE and Shadoweh definitely seem like town to me.  The people who seem pretty scummy right now are noname, anthy and px.  Anthy did kinda just prove himself to be rolefishing , PX isnt doing too much.  Honestly Im forming these opinions off of what ICE has said and I know it's a bit hypocritical to use another's opinion as a basis seeing as I blamed noname for the same thing on his dormio vote however ICE has noticed things that I never would've noticed at my current skill level.  As for noname...

I really hope my guess is correct and that it's not just a playstyle difference/me being a noob.
That's fair. (and this is my first game so you're correct...but everyone starts somewhere)Hey... :ohdear:

Ok this is why I find you to be scum you have yet to make a post that actually explains why you are voting for someone.  Why are you making a guess?  Out of all of ICE's posts you dont have any evidence to back up your vote?

Ihavenoname, Dr.Rawr, ShadyK, and Anthy are all I -think- pretty new to mafia and as such probably unreadable to me for awhile (I hear Noname is obvtown but I don't have the attention span to evaluate this anymore

OT: To be fair I've played mafia irl a couple times  :derp: (Except online mafia is entirely different so whatever)
Where did you hear that noname was obvtown?
~New posts have been added~

I have no name: Feels like how I felt first game, a little flippy/floppy and easy to push into unvoting, but has resolved a bit better.  Opinions are a bit iffy, but then playing neutral is an iffy thing to do in mafia.

It's fair enough to be a newbie and he doesnt know who to choose and I can understand that.  However he needs to support his votes with some details at least for me to consider him town.

[I have no name]

Ok this is why I find you to be scum you have yet to make a post that actually explains why you are voting for someone.  Why are you making a guess?  Out of all of ICE's posts you dont have any evidence to back up your vote?

I don't have any evidence because I don't know what to look for for evidence, it's mostly just the attitude and tone of the posts.  I'm looking but I'm not seeing any on anyone, so I either pull a no-vote or go off my hunch.  I chose the latter.

Where did you hear that noname was obvtown?

Two people said it, Shadoweh was one of them. (citing #51)

[Shady_Ghost]

Alright so that makes sense for the most part.  But tell me about any of the others,besides ICE, do any of them seem to be more mafia or more town than the others?  Has your suspicion list changed anymore from your last post?

[I have no name]

Suspicions haven't changed, reasoning is pretty much the same as for ICE.

[Shadoweh]

You have no intention of reading anything Serela said besides his vote do you :p Lynching lurkers on Day 1 oh boy!

You know what, I'm leaving my vote on ICE for now, as honestly it's not a serious threat at all to 'the glorious ICE' as her personality shows.  Throughout this game so far it's been a string of poking and claiming wildly without much explanation.

ICE is a boy btw. You are trying very hard to get thrown off the island. Your vote at this point is nothing more then a prod on someone active  who is obvtown. You may think it's a good idea to just leave it there because obv it's not bothering anyone, but that says too me you're just looking for reasons not to move it.

P.S>: Shadoweh, yes I am somewhat annoyed that ICE is making a target out of herself cause if she is down, and does have ~*~special powers~*~ they shouldn't be flailed about to be shot so soon unless it's something absurd like a gun owner.  It's attention grabbing and it doesn't help that ICE in general annoys me and hasn't contributed other than jabbing with small pins to get more reactions.

SCUM CAN'T MAKE TARGETS OUT OF THEMSELVES. STOP VOTING FOR SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN.
'Jabbing with small pins to get reactions' is easily more contribution then 2/3's of the playerlist. Why you dismiss this is beyond me. Actually I know what's bothering me the most. You're trying to sum up everything ICE has done with 'sekret's when a cursory glance of the thread reveals otherwise. If you can make a case on him that doesn't include playing keepaway I might become less suspicious of you.

I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't defend the right for townies to have sekrets. I've done everything from lie about my role to giving my results to someone else to claim. And I'd do it again. @_@

No name: What is the tone of the posts that makes you suspicious? What you are describing is Gut. Gut is not a reasonless force, you just need to track down where it's coming from.

[I have no name]

A scum player drawing attention to themself having special powers would be a stupid play, but therein lies the brilliance- no scum would draw attention to themsleves so they draw attention to themself as a towntell, thus confirm among the other town a scum as town.  Of course then there's the people who expect this and vote there anyway.

Yeah this first half of my post is pretty stupid hypothetical stuff that basically says don't rule out anyone except yourself.

@Shadoweh the suspicious part is really just the condension and air of superiority over the other (newer, presumably more easily influenced) players.  As a new player myself I'm probably taking this more personally than I should and as a result am being influenced.

[Serela]

A scum player drawing attention to themself having special powers would be a stupid play, but therein lies the brilliance- no scum would draw attention to themsleves so they draw attention to themself as a towntell, thus confirm among the other town a scum as town.  Of course then there's the people who expect this and vote there anyway

oh god my sides

I'm sorry, really, but

I can't, the WIFOM here

[I have no name]

oh god my sides

I'm sorry, really, but

I can't, the WIFOM here

It's fine.
I didn't know that was a thing until now anyway.

[ICE]

Give me some damn opinions of your own other than TRIXIE MUST BURRRRRN you pyro . < .

ActionDan: Overall pursuing points, during dormio spark he was sticking rather meta.  Though again it fizzled out so not much there is worth it.  I really don't have much for his points of pursual at the moment.

Trixie:Lurkers lurk are lurking bleh,  honestly I'm not exactly one for the 'active lurkers = scum' camp mostly cause you can't just randomly throw something in here while you're always on otherwise you're prone to a mistake or two, not everyone is a well of posts . < .

I have no name: Feels like how I felt first game, a little flippy/floppy and easy to push into unvoting, but has resolved a bit better.  Opinions are a bit iffy, but then playing neutral is an iffy thing to do in mafia.

Honestly none of them are flipping any switches or sparking up anything to me, and honestly I do expect something more out of you ICE.

Anthy, quick quiz:  How many people have I given opinions on?

One of them is that ActionDan is only slightly less town than Shadoweh.   Your middle-of-the-road opinion of him does you no favors.

[ICE]

A scum player drawing attention to themself having special powers would be a stupid play, but therein lies the brilliance- no scum would draw attention to themsleves so they draw attention to themself as a towntell, thus confirm among the other town a scum as town.  Of course then there's the people who expect this and vote there anyway.

This is good old fashioned townie paranoia.

Of course on day 1 it's INSANE, but paranoia is like that ^_^

I have no name is town. 

[Shady_Ghost]

Townie paranoia eh?  Hmm

##Unvote
I'll need some time to review before I make my next vote

[Affinity]

RVS thing was me noticing that there were three people on each of the three bandwagons, and thus three scum.  Don't think it went so well though.

I frown upon the PX wagon as a votepark for people unsure of who the scum really are (e.g Serela, Shadoweh, Dan), since for these three it is based on what PX did not do yet as opposed to what he had already done. True to MoTK D1 form, my guess is that PX will post and they will all scramble to some other scumread they did not mention earlier.  Serela stands out for lumping no name, Anthy, ShadyK, and rawr together even though they have all done very different things this D1.  As for Dan, in this post, he suggests that me and rawr are supplementary scumreads, but why did he vote for PX instead?  It's all faintly scummy and questionable, and they will have to be judged by their actions when PX comes out and makes a post.

However, GreyICE deserves more mention than the above three for his reactive scumhunting and his downright refusal to answer the questions presented to him.  The idea here is this: if you think Shadoweh is town, and Shadoweh OMGUSed Dormio, then why isn't it reasonable for PX!town to 'OMGUS' you in RVS?  Even more baffling is that he thinks Dormio and rawr scummy for pushing this very legitimate point; his play can be summed up as lurker hunting (e.g PX is scummy for posting scant content and OMGUSing him) framed by antagonistic prods at people who focused on him (e.g rawr, Anthy), at once masquerading as being 'proactive in getting reads' and denying their attempts to scumhunt.  I'm pretty fine with lynching someone determined to be this opaque and anti-town.

##Vote: GreyICE

I also share ShadyK's misgivings with huhwhat; in this post, huhwhat arbitrarily clears No Name as newbtown (saying that he would have done this rather than that etc.) while decrying Anthy as scum for pushing weak and easy cases (which No Name had done too) and chastising ShadyK for going after newbies, which is pretty much what the entire PX wagon is doing right now.  It is all weirdly exclusive, and it smells of selective scumhunting.  Would like him to answer to this as well.

@mod: Can we have more frequent votecounts?

[ICE]

Am I scum or not, Affinity?

It's a yes or no question.

[Affinity]

Yes, due to what I see as a vote-park on PX and ineffectual (and somewhat unreasonable) prodding of rawr, Dormio, and Anthy, among others, which sets up an easy move to any one of them.

[ICE]

Yes, due to what I see as a vote-park on PX and ineffectual (and somewhat unreasonable) prodding of rawr, Dormio, and Anthy, among others, which sets up an easy move to any one of them.

:wat:

How is it a vote park when Trixie doesn't even show up to the thread to respond to anything at all said? 

Oh well, being the counterwagon to a Trixey Rabbit is all good in my book.

What's your reads on, say, Trixie, IHNN or Rawr?

[Hanged Hourai]

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) -
Dormio (0) - 
ActionDan (0) -
PX (Great and Powerful Trixie) (4) - ICE, Shadoweh, Dan, Serela
Dr Rawr (0) -
Serela (0) -
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (1) -  Dormio
Shadoweh (0) - 
Affinity (1) - dr rawr
Anthy (1) - huh what
ICE (4) - Anthy, PX, i have no name, Affinity



Not voting: ShadyK

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in ~39 hours.

[ES-Anthy]

ICE Lets seeee. (also fuck me and my tendency to wake up before 3 bloody am in the morning)

Dormio which started on unexplained gut and went to questioning if serious or not abotu a few posts.

Trixie cause an early and probably joke OMGUS along with lurking.

You have a few tiny snippets for your opinion which were bone dry in explanations except for 'lurking' and rawr's question prodding.

Also anything you have as an opinion on Action Dan is summed up into the one post based on one of his posts (#121) and a response in #138.

So, you've given opinions really on Trixie, Dormio, ShadyK. Affinity, rawr, and Shadoweh; with none of it actually having a supporting opinion other than say, ~*~sekret~*~, someone not posting=lurking scumbags, or a shitty OMGUS done clearly as a joke.

P.S. I guess I'll need to be clear, when something isn't say, clicking or bugging me, I don't mean that to be straight up middle of the road neutral, I'm saying that nothing with them feels wrong/off.  So basically it's a town call <.<

Shadoweh: The prodding pins thing may be 'constructive', but I'd like to see more than this pin thin skeleton of opinions with no self support.

[Shadoweh]

Are we seriously doing this.
This is the lamest counterwagon ever. No seriously, it's like a joke wagon.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I also share ShadyK's misgivings with huhwhat; in this post, huhwhat arbitrarily clears No Name as newbtown (saying that he would have done this rather than that etc.) while decrying Anthy as scum for pushing weak and easy cases (which No Name had done too) and chastising ShadyK for going after newbies, which is pretty much what the entire PX wagon is doing right now.  It is all weirdly exclusive, and it smells of selective scumhunting.  Would like him to answer to this as well.

The difference between Anthy and the other examples you mentioned is that the others are more audacious. Comments like "hey, GreyICE is being secretive and concise" and "hey, Dormio and Shadoweh are slapfighting" don't really look beyond the surface of posts for intent and don't stick out enough to actively draw attention. His methods haven't been pro-active and his opinions mainly revolve around null actions, so I don't think it's actual town-intended scumhunting. This is different from the PX wagon, which at least involves pressing PX over something legitimately scummy instead of just observing "weird" stuff he's done. Though Nameless' scumhunting has been newb-weak, his flipfloppy switches are boisterous and imply he's not worried what other players think about him, so I believe he's newbtown.

Affinity, what do you actually think of the newer players yourself? You seem to be using Serela and I's stances on them as venues to accuse, but you yourself have none.

I agree that the GreyICE counterwagon is pretty lame. The Anthy vote still feels the most solid to me and his recent content hasn't changed my opinions (rather disappointing that he needs to be prodded for reads), so I'm gonna keep my vote down on him for now out of hope there's a chance for votes to rack up on him once people realize how silly the ICE wagon is and switch off. However, consider my support to be with the PX wagon if this is what's going on during deadline, given that PX has currently done jack shit in response aside from keep his vote down on his town read. Less concerned about ShadyK now that I've seen more from him.

[I have no name]

Though Nameless' scumhunting has been newb-weak, his flipfloppy switches are boisterous and imply he's not worried what other players think about him, so I believe he's newbtown.

I have to agree with weak scum hunting, I'm still trying to get a feel for how this whole thing works. (I'm guessing I should be asking more questions though).
flipfloppy?  I've changed votes all of twice, both times because I thought the person I changed my vote to was more scummy at the time.  boisterous?  I'm not trying to act that way.