Author Topic: IMP MAFIA - TOWN VICTORY  (Read 34833 times)

Serela

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #510 on: February 14, 2012, 08:35:36 PM »
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Wait wasn't I talking about Affinity at some point? Aw I'll get back to that at a later date.
This is because I can't remember where I was going with what I was saying on him, and then I hit post before realizing I hadn't typed that yet.
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #511 on: February 14, 2012, 08:48:26 PM »
Why is everyone voting PX when Rawr is right...
Why am I getting deja vu?

Before I go, about Dan, logically he didn't tell us because he either didn't know he was a cop, or he couldn't tell us. I think it's the former. Not knowing your own role seems to be in vogue.


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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #512 on: February 14, 2012, 09:13:50 PM »
I am right ???

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #513 on: February 14, 2012, 09:14:30 PM »
So PX,
About your Reply #64: I can't help but this post looks like a Dormio vote in a case on Huhwhat, case may be too much said but seeing that you talked more about Huhwhat than Dormio makes your unvote difficult to follow.

You explain the reason for your vote in Reply #121 but then you vote Dan for:
I like this case. Also, why are you asking me to elaborate on a town read when you gave some unexplained ones earlier? Also, don't stuff words. I never said I was protecting Shadoweh, she's just an early town read.
Good you say that you like the case but never what you like about it. You said also that you still dislike Dormio.

Then you first vote in day 2 was:

Anyways,
##Vote: Dr. Rawr
All you've been doing is chasing over easy targets and following with the general populous. You're not honestly trying to find scum, so die. Idk, but to me, you're looking lazy/newb!scum

Shadoweh, stop doing this thing where you act like you're the perfect confirmed town. Seriously, start finding scum, or I will be voting you. Scum already have a hard time trying to direct mislynches, they don't need somepony else to do their job for them.

Dormio, your D2 is highly unimpressive. You haven't been looking for scum, you've been strolling around threatening people with a vig to get information out of them. This strategy makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a scum perspective, as he gets to threaten claims out of people and then move on to the next person. I don't see a town!vig acting like this.

ActionDan, you're rather unimpressive. After all, you're rationalizing reads with ROLE PMs. Seriously, that is not how you play mafia. And all I've been seeing is set up speculation from you
So why Rawr over Dan or Dormio?
What you say here doesn't looks like you think that Dan improved since you voted him. Well maybe you think that your Rawr case is stronger than what you have against Dormio but if that's the case why do you let it fall to vote Dormio at the next best opportunity.

I don't see you looking for scum, I only see you throwing around accusations and disconnected votes to see what sticks.

To be honest I wasn't sure about my vote as I placed it but now I'm as confident about it as I can be.
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #514 on: February 14, 2012, 10:30:04 PM »
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I, uh, kind of fell asleep whilst trying to make a post.

Since PX doesn't look like he'll be posting any time soon, let's take a look at some other people.

First off, I don't think I even need to elaborate on why Rawr is scummy.

Why am I clearing herdcarbs again? He's done close to nothing, and I guess the power could go either way. :/

Would be willing to vote for these two, but still prefer to see PX dead today.

I'm still wary of Affinity, but probably wouldn't vote for him today.

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Bah. Humbug.

capt. h

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #515 on: February 14, 2012, 10:50:32 PM »
Answer: There can never be enough votecounts.

Affinity:
BT: Bardiche
Dr. Rawr:  Shadoweh
Huh What:
Shadoweh:

Bardiche:
NeoSerela:
Action Dan:
Headcrabs:
Affinity, Dr. Rawr
PX: Dormio, BT, Dorian, NeoSerela (L-2)
Dormio: PX

Not Voting: Headcrabs.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends in 27 hours.
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #516 on: February 15, 2012, 12:49:30 AM »
I see 9 alive :V

Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #517 on: February 15, 2012, 12:50:04 AM »
Nvm i cant count

Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #518 on: February 15, 2012, 12:50:38 AM »
I havent been drinking

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #519 on: February 15, 2012, 12:55:19 AM »
Well Shadoweh, could you do me a favor and tell me why you think PX is town? Cause I really don't see it.

And about Rawr, my reread didn't brought me any new revelations. Maybe it's just too late or it's the amount of one liner posts, however I havent see anything that strikes me as summy.

That said, I'm off for now, good night.
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #520 on: February 15, 2012, 01:34:28 AM »
BT, can't you respond to it in a scummy way? ;_; There's nothing I can throw at anyone here and still call myself Town.

Affinity seems Town enough, Shadoweh looks reasonable and Town enough, BT is being reasonable and Town, Dorian looks reasonable and Town, Rawr looks like a newbie, Serela looks reasonable (SHOCK) and Town, Dormio looks reasonable and Town, and PX does OMGUS and seems to just not have time. Also headcrabs is modplacement. You understand I am fairly upset.

I can get behind a PX wagon because 1) LAL (yes I am serious), 2) sheeping to Dormio and now saying Dormio is scum and a scum!dayvig rather than a Town!Dayvig from the outset. This flip-flopping of reads may be indicative of Town continuously revising their reads, but it can also be scum producing reads and then forgetting they actually sheeped to the guy before. When Dormio threatened to DayVig, PX's reaction was "FUCK YOU YOU'RE SCUMMY", rather than "Okay, and I think Dan is more suspicious than I am. Here's why he's scum (I did vote him D1) and why he's a better target than I am". Which, I dunno, why the hell would you prefer to attack the person rather than, well, guide them to a Townie's (your) target?

##Unvote

And yet I won't put him to L-1 yet because LOLSELF-HAMMERS, and I'd like Shadoweh to explain why Rawr over PX? What's in Rawr that is not in PX?

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #521 on: February 15, 2012, 01:35:26 AM »
Also the entire OMGUS business isn't indicative of much effort on PX's part, and I'd like to think Townie's do whatever they can to make sense of the game rather than sit there and pout that Dormio sucks for voting him.

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #522 on: February 15, 2012, 01:41:31 AM »
...yeah that town read I had on Bard from before is coming back. He's also being so cute!
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #523 on: February 15, 2012, 01:43:23 AM »
I, I'm not cute at all. Sh, shut up, idiot.

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #524 on: February 15, 2012, 01:52:46 AM »
Well Shadoweh, could you do me a favor and tell me why you think PX is town? Cause I really don't see it.

And about Rawr, my reread didn't brought me any new revelations. Maybe it's just too late or it's the amount of one liner posts, however I havent see anything that strikes me as summy.

That said, I'm off for now, good night.
Well, to reverse the question, what about one-liner posts is town to you? Don't you dislike the lack of content to read? After examining your PX case I don't see anything wrong with it, so I'm still willing to work with you. Even if it's weird when you're talking. :o

Bard: Well it does have the benefit of molifying me over Affinity's alignment and flipping on ~*~the wagon~*~. It's not that PX hasn't done anything scummy, it's that to me he pretty much hasn't done anything. He has like three posts today. It does remind me that he never answered my questions from before. -.-

PX: Why did you vote Dormio instead of Rawr and not mention Rawr at all, when before Dormio's shot you voted Rawr and just made mention of Dormio and me?

Bard is being pretty cute but still, I don't care if we make up or anything.


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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #525 on: February 15, 2012, 02:01:48 AM »
So... Rawr over PX because Affinity? Explain how Rawr's flip elucidates Affinity's alignment, if you would? I mean, why would Rawr Town indicate something, and why would Rawr Scum indicate something else?

St, stop calling me cute! It's not like I want to be friends, or anything, either!

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #526 on: February 15, 2012, 02:14:40 AM »
Because
FINAL VOTECOUNT
Hero999: Shadoweh, Huh What, NeoSerela, Schezo, ActionDan, Affinity, Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs
+ Serela being obv town and heacrabs being another generic townie who's about to get modkilled =
FINAL VOTECOUNT
Hero999: Shadoweh, Huh What, NeoSerela, Schezo, ActionDan, Affinity, Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs
Meaning one of them is high% scum. You don't have to trust the people I've narrowed down or myself, but this is the viewpoint I lean from.  It's possible for them both to be scum. The way Affinity has been presenting good cases on townies instead of his buddies makes me believe in him more though. Except I think he made a case on Rawr somewhere? I do recall Polaris, but Dorian would be more likely to be his type of scum then Headcrabs, unless people think his scumteam gave him 'I will destroy you :V' as material. Anyways, to me it feels like PX is swerving off to hit someone quiet for the sake of hitting someone quiet. Rawr is the talky one in this case and PX is the swerve.

I wonder a little why Rawr isn't mad at me for voting him like he said I would.


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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #527 on: February 15, 2012, 02:23:25 AM »
I did what now?

Bardiche

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #528 on: February 15, 2012, 02:44:13 AM »
But if Rawr flips Scum, that doesn't exclude Affinity scum. The lynch only strikes me as informative if A) you assume there was scum on Hero's wagon and B) Rawr flips Town, because if he flips Scum that still doesn't say anything about Affinity's alignment.

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #529 on: February 15, 2012, 03:08:29 AM »
@mod: Is headcrabs getting modkilled any time soon?  End of the day, maybe?

Serela, your element is probably aether or something because I've never seen you think clearly for a long time.

While the reasons for voting PX have more or less been said in different guises already, it worries me that none of the people on the wagon have actually delved into why PX over headcrabs, and to a slightly less extent, rawr, the first two of which are scummy for similar reasons.  Would be nice if everyone could order those three potential lynches into some system of ranking.  Dorian. G for me stands out as taking the path of least resistance so far, going for Dan and PX for elaborated but more or less standard reasons and taking the not so controversial town reads.  He does not have the advantage of a history of side suspicions that Bardiche, BT, and others had, and so I'm quite wary of him.  Might be something for tomorrow.

Still think headcrabs is very similar to PX in that they both contradict themselves and vote-park on someone without much fanfare, except that headcrabs is more blatant about it and has no D1 to speak of.  I also think of him as a more useful lynch, what with so many being edgy about prying into him solely due to his roleclaim (e.g BT, Bardiche, Shadoweh, etc.), as compared to PX, who everyone seems set on lynching. 

I don't think rawr is scummy because he has provided tabs on his opinions throughout most of the game (mostly D2), and I don't think much is lost in his succinctness; there's also some evidence of original content in his accusation of Dorian going where the wagons are going (which I agree with).  In fact, I think him leaning town for now. 

Not sure what Shadoweh is smoking with regards to the bandwagon thing and I disagree with it for Bard's reasons above.

Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #530 on: February 15, 2012, 03:12:37 AM »
So pretty much, let me guess this... youre gave me crap about not voting hero999 day1 because of your 100% TOWNIE REASONING that he was scum. so day2 start, you give me crap about how hero was apparently town and how i was the only one who was voting him with out a reason, even though im pretty sure there were at least 3 people sheeping that(only 1 confirmed town). Middle of day2 you keep flipping your reads on me. Now here we are again end day2 you bring up the same thing except you are pretty much  guessing that headcrabs and serela are town.

Now let me ask you this, what about serela makes him town? Hes been pretty much sheeping his way into wagons since the start. He admitted to sheeping hero999, voted affinity at the start when you and dormio did but never gave a reason for it, and now hes voting px because well he didnt give a reason why. Where is the town in this?

Also ill ask the same thing about px. In what 3-4 posts has px proven that he is town to you? is it because he didnt vote hero999 at d1? im pretty sure scum didnt have to vote hero999 d1 to get him lynched, YOU DID THE WORK FOR THEM HAH.

Serela

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #531 on: February 15, 2012, 03:45:01 AM »
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He admitted to sheeping hero999
while you might have something there with the rest of it, wat@this

I didn't even realize there was other people voting Hero until after I did it :c Not that such can be proven, I suppose.
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #532 on: February 15, 2012, 04:19:46 AM »
your 351

Serela

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #533 on: February 15, 2012, 04:29:02 AM »
My reasons were the same, but said other reasons hadn't actually been -made- yet!

This is one of the reasons being earlier on a wagon makes your position more, uh, iunno the word. It's because you can't be sheeping if there isn't people to sheep to yet!

This post might be wrong because I'm not sure if this stuff actually -had- already been done in the two votes on Hero before I voted. I didn't know about them until afterwords.
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #534 on: February 15, 2012, 04:29:50 AM »

Serela

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #535 on: February 15, 2012, 04:44:42 AM »
The point I was making is that I can't look into the future and sheep to something that hasn't happened yet :C

I'm also fairly sure that I expressed dislike of PX since before anyone else ever voted him, so it's not as if my opinion came out of nowhere as soon as he began to be wagon'd. It was a sentiment I already had!

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #536 on: February 15, 2012, 04:57:42 AM »
let me rephrase it you were sheeping to shadoweh pretty much

yea about your vote on PX ealier...

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I'm voting PX because I got nothing and everyone here should know by now that the most you can get out of me right now is a repeat of last game's D1.

Serela

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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #537 on: February 15, 2012, 04:59:22 AM »
Psh, I mean -after- that :c Ones that did not come with votes.

I'd look through my posts and find where I say something but it's midnight and I'm going to sleep. See you all tomorrow!
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Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #538 on: February 15, 2012, 05:00:41 AM »
oh right lets take a look at the later post

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asically, I don't really -believe- in the Maav vote right now, while on some level I trust myself from almost half an hour ago to have had some sort of actual thought that PX might actually be scum, despite that I cannot justify it, which is possibly better as I don't really want to convince others on PX being scum as I don't feel that I have a strong enough read to be comfortable actually having influence on others opinions right now.

Re: IMP MAFIA - DAY 2
« Reply #539 on: February 15, 2012, 05:01:51 AM »
then later drop everything

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##Unvote PX yeah I'm not feeling anything there.