IMP MAFIA - TOWN VICTORY

[ActionDan]

Dormio would you consider:  Bard, Rawr, Affnity, Maav/Dorian?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

No, maybe, no, probably not.

[Shadoweh]

I've been rereading Schezo, and he basically hated Dan with a passion and Affinity with a lesser passion. That alone makes a Dan lynch/vig more credible to me. He also thought Serela was derptown.

Dormio, are you not willing to shoot Bard or Affinity because you think they're town or because you're worried about the damage from shooting wrong?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Bard is town, broskies.
As for Affinity, I would rather flip PX and/or Dan first.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

To expand on the Affinity thing, I've been rereading him a fair amount but think that PX's (and Dan's to a far lesser degree) flip would be much more helpful in helping me to organize my thoughts.

[Shadoweh]

I just realized you were trying to get my reads besides Hero because you were going to vig him. :fail: I couldn't find a power role if it trueclaimed in front of me. Don't make a decision just so you can have more info on someone when you can just strike at the source though. If PX was scum with Affinity I'd expect Affinity to be voting him by now.

[Affinity]

Regarding my #378, I meant to say that I did not like BT accusing Bard of defending Serela.  Just a heads up.

Eh, Dormio, how would vigging PX organize your thoughts when he has been more or less an isolated outlier for the entire game?

[ActionDan]

I'd rather confirm myself by suciding than be lynched. 

Shadoweh, Schezo wasted his time tunneling me all day.  I plan to answer Dormio whose presentation of a coherent set of points in 115 is something I can actually answer for.  Schezo's posts directed towards me were filled with stubborn anger (because I voted for him) which clouded his judgement and were lazy taking things out of context left and right.  If there is something specific Schezo said that you would like me to address, let me know.

[Shadoweh]

I'd prefer you answer the questions of the living then the dead, since they can still converse with you.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Mainly due to how you interacted with PX D1. With the whole defending him a fair amount thing.
Let me reread some more in peace.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Okay, so first of all let's look at Dan's most recent post (#387).

What's up with the boasting about how accurate your town reads are? Seems like unnecessary fluff to make it seem as though you have much more backing you than you really do.
In addition, when Bardiche accuses Dan of rolefishing Shadoweh and some other stuff, he counters with... more rolefishing? That is, asking about Bardiche's role PM, which is a thing. On top of that the clause that he's asking about would likely confirm the type of ability Bardiche has, which is another thing.
"Oh yeah, I would have made a case but I was too busy to do that then. I'm still too busy so I'll be back later." makes me sadfaec.

I also get the feeling that Dan is a bit too insistent on the whole suicide thing.
I mean, you know, right from the get go Dan has been going on about how he would kill himself for the greater good.
Naturally, this makes people hesitant to lynch him. I mean, think about the claim, what happens if he doesn't govern?
We're obviously not going to go wagon town for him to govern, we're going to look for other scummy people. What's to stop Dan from not governing and saying the next day "Oh I was pretty sure that that guy was scum."

[Affinity]

In general, I am seeing shadows everywhere this game due to half the playerbase active lurking/lurking/being unreadable/etc.  A list...

Totally Unreadable

Serela is in general not interested in the game, active lurking, lurker prodding, useless votes, pitying himself for being scatterbrained, despite repeated promises in IRC to improve.  Only meaningful action is his unsubstantiated vote on me and his vote for Hero D1.
rawr in general went for easy targets all game (Serela, Maav, Hero999) and did not deign to comment on half the playerbase,
PX voted Dan, agreeing with Dormio D1, along with a trueclaim D2 that may or may not do anything.  That's it.
Maav voted for huhwhat for no reason D1 while complaining about how hard it was to play Mafia.

Somewhat Unreadable but Might Improve Later On

Shadoweh is a rock in general which one can do nothing to move except when it asks you to try; her thought processes opaque and her gut cases indistinguishable from that of scum wanting to get on the wagon she wants. (subjective)
Dan has not done a decent case since his one on Schezo early D1, having only multiple town reads and role spec that do little to help town make its decisions.  Goes onto Bardiche for him having a bullshit case (unelaborated)
Headcrabs did nothing D1 but randomly vanillize someone in what must be the scummiest way possible.  Is semi-reasonable for going after Shadoweh, but has not answered the critical question: what about everyone else who voted Hero?

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The four under 'totally unreadable' are equally valid lynches/vigs for today due to them having little to their name, and scum could easily be hiding among them as they could be hiding within the people being talked about now.  I'm not seeing how town can do its job correctly of hunting scum with this sort of burden dragging it down; in this condition, Mafia is really nothing more than a crapshoot for town.  Yes, I can go after Bardiche and others for what I see as bad reasoning, but how about those who have displayed no reasoning at all?  It really is an exasperating game to be in with so many liabilities to town who are not playing for their win condition.  Just putting this out here.

[capt. h]

Latecount

Affinity: Shadoweh, NeoSerela
BT:
Dr. Rawr:
Huh What:
Shadoweh: Headcrabs
Bardiche: BT, Affinity, Action Dan (L-3)
NeoSerela: Dr. Rawr
Action Dan: Bardiche


Not Voting:  PX, Dorian, Dormio

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends in 38.5 hours.

[Shadoweh]

Lemme remember who's playing this thing.

1. BT - Apparently gets lover identities.
2. Huhwhat - HOLY WHAT
3. Dormio - Breakin' the law breakin' the law
4. Magical Neo-Serela-tan - Forced Marriage. A terrible person.
5. Shadowmeh - MoThErFuCkIn' ObVtOwN
6. Dr Rawr - Nervous as hell
7. PX - Karkat with the ability to scream and forget how to post in mafia
8. Affinity - Voting Bardiche, thought huh what and Schezo were bad for attacking BT, both have flipped town, hasn't rethought this?
10. ActionDan - Can die to stop a lynch
11. Headcrabs - Doesn't know how to post, vanilized the nightkill
12. Maav/Dorian - Does not exist
13. Bardiche - Hates BT

Going down the list of people I'm taking off, BT getting the identities of the lovers doesn't clear him, because it would be town's folly to give them to him. Huh what is confirmed town. I really wonder if he's actually coming back. The strength of being a doctor and being able to do what he did makes me worry. :x Dormio has been crumbing vig all over the place and isn't willing to aim at me strong town. Serela's role doesn't make sense as a scum power, at all. I'm Shadoweh!

I keep waffling on Dan... when Serp had a power like his, it wasn't Serp's only ability. Dan, are there any other conditions to you governing? Giving your life to stop an unconfirmed lynch is a pretty weak power. But it's so confirmable.. aaa...

Like I said, Headcrabs claim = town if true. Schezo didn't mention being turned vanilla though. Headcrabs, when did your power activate on Schezo, the minute you used it, and were you allowed to pick SCHEZO to target? (I think I asked this before, but you didn't answer.)

There's always that one random lurker guy.. I've come to the conclusion replacements be townin' so I'm just going to ignore Maav as a suspect.

Suspects left: BT, Rawr, PX, Affinity, Dan, Headcrabs (conditional), Bardiche

BT's play doesn't make me think scummy. Rawr is bleeding scumtells out of his pores. PX.. to be honest, I think if he were scum he'd be posting more just because he'd have buddies to motivate him. Also I checked his first post and it doesn't have "I am scum" written in it. Affinity did that weird 'Why Dan and not PX' thing early that still rubs me the wrong way despite his explanation. Dan has been frankly working hard to crack the setup wide open since ED1. Headcrabs's role USE makes sense for town, but his ability to directly vanilize is strange when you compare it to my claim (pick from a list of characters) and Serela's (pick from a list of stuff) and considering he was making it sound like a roleblock or vig, it's weird that scum killed Schezo in the first place. Bardiche.. the biggest crime I can hold against him is wasting time with BT, but he likes being hipster and starting his own wagons. This is regardless of alignment, so..

An obvious X-factor here is Serela being lying scum. Considering he was the first to claim the ability to suicide, and that it's Serela, I doubt it. He knows he'd be called to use his power eventually and lynched if he couldn't.

I can't say I have a strong feeling from these people. Not even Affinity. Affinity keeps saying exactly what I'm thinking. :s I think.. we should lynch the lurkers. Just so we can have a bloody game of mafia. It feels so anti-town to say, but honestly there's going to be no motivation for us to win in the first place like this. I don't want to lynch one of the few people pushing for content to exist. I really don't want to push another easy lynch, but.. I feel really conflicted right now.

##Unvote

I'm going to go reread some more.




This post was delayed by at least 30 minutes due to rereading huh what's ED1 posts and giggling loudly. I am now going to call Serela Pouncerela for awhile.

[PX]

INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First things first: A rant
1) Fuck you
2) FUCK YOU
3) Yeah, sorry about not posting, but I was busy
1) Not having internet
2) Not staring at long walls of posts through a phone
3) Not burning all my battery trying to read said walls
4) Not using what's left of the battery to try posting
5) Making money
So yeah, no posts from then.

On the other hoof, let's get to the real post!

Anyways,
##Vote: Dr. Rawr
All you've been doing is chasing over easy targets and following with the general populous. You're not honestly trying to find scum, so die. Idk, but to me, you're looking lazy/newb!scum

Shadoweh, stop doing this thing where you act like you're the perfect confirmed town. Seriously, start finding scum, or I will be voting you. Scum already have a hard time trying to direct mislynches, they don't need somepony else to do their job for them.

Dormio, your D2 is highly unimpressive. You haven't been looking for scum, you've been strolling around threatening people with a vig to get information out of them. This strategy makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a scum perspective, as he gets to threaten claims out of people and then move on to the next person. I don't see a town!vig acting like this.

ActionDan, you're rather unimpressive. After all, you're rationalizing reads with ROLE PMs. Seriously, that is not how you play mafia. And all I've been seeing is set up speculation from you.

THIS IS POST #395 AND FUCK YOU CUTS, I AM NOT READING BECAUSE NOW I HAVE TO WRITE KAGUYA x REMILIA H - SCENE FOR KANJOU

tl;dr :dwi:
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[Shadoweh]

>_> Are you seriously threatening me? Right after I said you're probably town? You're welcome you ungrateful *****

[PX]

>_> Are you seriously threatening me? Right after I said you're probably town? You're welcome you ungrateful *****

...Did you really just post this? Seriously? This is the kind of thing scum says -.-
I did say fuck all cuts

[Shadoweh]

Oh, sorry, let me just go back and edit it out. OF COURSE IT'S MY POST. I've been assuming you received a message from Chaore about my alignment, that's why I've been acting like fucking confirmed town! But you know what, forget you. I'm acting President of Townie Central because this game needs someone loud and screaming in it. I'm town because I'm the goddamn loudest voice in the dark here.

You want to be useful, don't tell me not to act like I should be confirmed town, tell me why I shouldn't be. Your argument is I shouldn't be because I'm wrong alot? Guess what TOWNIES ARE WRONG ALOT because Mafia is hard. If you think I'm directing mislynches tell me why you thought Affinity was town.

GOD. Why does everyone have a clear, UNDERSTANDABLE role this game but me?!

[Shadoweh]

Day 6

Almost halfway through post #328. Beginning to forget what words mean. I don't know if I can do this.
If I don't come back, tell Dormio it's okay to hydra without me, he deserves a good partner..

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

If I don't come back, tell Dormio it's okay to hydra without me, he deserves a good partner..

But it's you I want, not someone else! Do you think that I would settle for some replacement instead of the real you?!
Don't worry, you and I, We're both going to make it out of this and get hydra'd!
So don't give up hope! Keep trying! If not for yourself, for us!

Anyway.
Welcome back PX. Go get your router replaced or something.
Now, let's see your latest post.
First off all, sudden Shadoweh suspicion. What happened to you being friendly with her on D1?
What makes Rawr worse than the other non-contributors? If you're going after him now for not scumhunting, why didn't you jump on Hero for the same reason yesterday?
As for your argument on me, all I can say is "wat."
No, seriously, what?
And do you have anything to add to your dislike of Dan other than his setup speculation?

So yeah, I feel like shooting either PX or Dan. I guess I'll wait until Dan posts once more before deciding.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Though, I gave Affinity yet another reread, noting down stuff that I found scummy about him.

First off, in #87, he provided PX an out for the OMGUS that I still think sucks. He later said that he defended PX because he thought that Schezo and HW were pushing him in a scummy manner, but why did you never really mention HW? Just like how you asked why Schezo singled out Dan, why did you single out Schezo?
On top of that, what made Schezo more suspicious than Huh What? Why did you ignore me in it?
There's also that thing where, in #117, he attempts redirects Bardiche from Shadoweh onto just four players at an early stage of D1. What's up with that?
And, despite immersing himself into the Dormio/Dan/PX/Schezo thing, the only reads that he managed to get out of them were that Schezo was scummy and nulls on PX and I. As I said before, he didn't really talk about Dan unless referring to something he did whilst arguing with Schezo.
The LAL post is a thing.

Eh... I still find Dan and PX to be scummier.

[Shadoweh]

Okay, what I pulled out of that is what I expected. BT pretty much has a different view of the game from everyone else, except Bardiche. Irony when one starts to resemble the beast..
I'm the same bull-headed town as last game randomly lynching townies
Dan is a town read
Rawr is also townish
Affinity is more null
Dislike huh what
Disliked Dormio for talking between Hero and I
Bardiche is the scummiest.
Serela is pretty scummy too

I find it peculiar that you and Bard accuse me of similar things. If you thought it was that bad a lynch, you should have argued against it. You're still arguing about reads on Schezo and huh what. You need to update these to reflect the fact your targets flipped town. You also need to address whether you believe Serela and what that says to you about his alignment. It seems to me you knew someone was looking for you. You should also update your Dormio read since he's about to get viggy with it.

From Bardiche, I pull that:
Ignore the Day 1 wagon because Hero was scummy
Dan suspicious for bad read on Bardiche
Affinity is suspicious
Rawr and Serela are useless
BT bandwagon 4 lyfe.

It's 7:30 am and I think I want to wait for the flip to parse this. I keep going from BIG WORDS LYNCH THE SCUM to Bardiche Is Reasonable!

Serela has been consistent with his BT town belief, declaring that BT was town immediately after he said he was Rose the first time. I'm confident enough you won't get nightkilled to ask. Does the identity of the lovers get transfered if you get killed or lynched?

Random comment: I was confused for the first three flips and had to check my role PM for this. You know, I didn't actually get a job description in my role pm. I honestly thought Bard of Rage would be my role. Chaore won't give me the slightest idea what I am >:T

[Serela]

just posting to say I can't really post until late tonight when I'm back home at my computer

my monitor is gone and it is -almost- impossible to read anything on the broken one because I don't have a lavalamp to simultaneously melt and illuminate it (plus the sketchy internet)

fucking travelling, it's impossible to try to play mafia while doing it :C Shoulda replaced out instead I guess, but since I'm gonna be back home today it'd be a bit late for that. At least I can somewhat read the posting box because it's black on white.

I'd say -something- relevant but I can only pick out a few words here and there of what anyone has said on this damned thing.

[BT]

I love how suddenly obvtown Serela (sorry for earlier!) (to elaborate: his claim is just so ~town~ it hurts) is setting me up for a NK the best he can. Oh, and the town doctor's burnt to a crisp. Yeah, totally gonna die tonight.

Shadoweh says some things about PX posting more, were he scum. Are we seriously forgetting about last game already?

I don't like parts of Shadoweh's explanations of her recent reads in general. Dunno, I guess it's GUT. (my gut, not hers)

This game is CRAZY right now and my head huts. Thanks a bunch.

I... I'm not sure right now. Bard is still a bad read but everything else is going haywire. Worst part is that I don't have a lot of free time today, so I probably won't be able to sort everything out in my head. But... I'll try. Ugh...

[Affinity]

@Dormio: Schezo vote danced between Dan and PX in such a way that I found it strange enough to single out.  When he changed his vote to Dan, I noticed some odd things with his suspicion on him and went from there.  I found your case on Dan and huhwhat's case on Bard to be far better and thus I stopped focusing on both of you.

I wasn't redirecting Bard from Shadoweh, just asking him for his opinions on what had I felt was important.

@PX: What about the myriad other people who do not seem as if they are looking for scum?  You are merely telling us what we already know + vote.

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##Unvote
##Vote: headcrabs

This might sound sudden, but on further reread, I think I am interested in switching to headcrabs due to his post here.  He votes Shadoweh for incorrect reasons (e.g failing to realize that she thought Schezo town mid-D1), accuses her of defending herself from Hero when she was the one who attacked Hero first, and gives token scumreads on Dormio (which he did not even explain) and huhwhat (saying that his vote on Shadoweh looked as if he was bussing her without elaboration).  He even totally forgot about the scumread he gave on rawr here.

Worst of all, there was the issue where he says that "I didn't give reasoning like this in my initial posts, but why would I show my hand this early into the game?" as an excuse for not voting Shadoweh D1, which is an excuse that explains nothing.  Lastly, he implores everyone to consider the town and scum reads of the two flipped townies as sacred, but of course, he does none of that himself in his opinions.

Discounting role shenanigans, his active lurking + vote-park on Shadoweh today that will never change + useless D1+ shifting opinions, pretty much makes him obvscum, and I think he should be lynched/vigged today over even Bard and others.  There's also the issue where he randomly vanillizes Schezo and hammers Hero himself and yet goes after people for suspecting those two strongly, which cannot be seen as anything but hypocrisy.  If Dormio does not want to entertain this vig, he should explain in detail as to why.  Bardiche looks shiny in comparison to this guy.

[Bardiche]

Dan suspicious for bad read on Bardiche

Dan is suspicious for other reasons. Any reason you choose to misrep it as that?

Bard, this is what Dan meant by giving the town another lynch, he thought he could govern himself and die to reset his lynch.

See below. Why do you do this to me, Shadoweh? I want to believe you're Town but you're being silly.

I'd rather confirm myself by suciding than be lynched.

The only way you can confirm yourself by suicide is by obstructing Town's primary wagon and substituting it for your own. There is no reason anyone who is Town should want to kill themselves (they know they are Town) in favour of anyone else (they do not know the other is Town for sure). I am not sure why you think it is the Town thing to do to proclaim that you'd rather cockblock Town's lynch on what may or may not be Scum by sacrificing what you know for sure to be Town. How exactly do you imagine this to be pro-Town? Even if you govern and it would, for some reason, reset the day rather than do like normal governors and move to night... what added value is there? Would your death suddenly confirm the saved person as Town? I just see no profit to this movement, and do not get how it would be an "extra lynch": if you're Scum and you promise to suicide on us getting a lynch, there's no reason whatsoever for you to follow up on it.

Put simply, there's no logical reason a Town!Governor should want to suicide themselves for someone of suspect alignment.

That you vote me after I vote you strikes me as a genuine OMGUS, right down pat to the part where you go "I've always disliked Bard but never had the time", but now that I vote you, you will apparently make time to point out why I am so scummy. This is reactive scumhunting, which is an exhibit of laziness. That you claim "very accurate Town reads" only reminds me that the only faction with very strong reads of who is Town is... Scum.

I feel like there's only one person I can trust in this entire goddamn game.

@Affinity: Well, I better understand your case now and I have no real response to that other than "the 1+1+1 thing is my playstyle". I'm not normally in a situation where everyone repeatedly does scummy shit so I have to pick the one who does the most scummy shit and looks most scummy. I only have one vote.

[Dorian White]

Well that's nice, I can only agree with Affinity and Shadoweh that this game is a mess and I don't know how drunk I must have been that I replaced into it. It already cost me my sleep but whatever.

First thing I never talked with Maav at all, so I can't say what he was thinking. You are free to ask but don't expects more than guesswork.

So lets try to play, after reading through Dormios and Dans posts I found some points that could use some clarification.
@Dormio: I have seen you asking a lot of questions but to be honest I find it quite difficult to tell where you have your priorities. As far as I can see is your currently order Dan is scum, PX is scummy and his flip ?provides information?, Affinity is scummy too and Sarela is useless. Is this correct?

I can agree with the first one, mostly cause Dans case on Bared don't strikes me as true and his attempt to justify his distracting setup speculations is just beyond good and evil, but I'm not sure if I see how PX flip would be ?helpful in helping you to organize your thoughts?.

Well most likely not the best start but it's a start after all, now excuse me cause I going to burn my eyes out to make sure that I never have to read stuff like this ever again ... um I mean take a break before I reread Dan a fourth time to make a proper case.

Oh almost forgot something.
##Vote: Action Dan

[capt. h]

Counting votes

Affinity: NeoSerela
BT:
Dr. Rawr: PX
Huh What:
Shadoweh: Headcrabs
Bardiche: BT, Action Dan
NeoSerela: Dr. Rawr
Action Dan: Bardiche, Dorian
Headcrabs: Affinity

Not Voting:  Dormio, Shadoweh

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends in 29.5 hours.

[Dr Rawr]

What PX, so going after easy targets and sheeping is what it takes to be scum, should go look over yourself then :V. This game seems pretty weirder then the last. Right now everyone seems to think claiming is a good idea but they seem to be fucking up everyones reads.

Right now im finding it incredibly hard to believe serelas claim and is just setting up a night kill for BT right now. also his #330 and #348 were pretty much the same thing except the vote. Both those posts  were "everyone is null so i dont have much opinions about them, but going by gut affinity looks weird." Which i guess ill wait and see his reasoning for voting affinity sometime before the day ends. Also you pretty much screwed over BT using your role to confirm him as town. Pretty much i find serelas role claim fishy, all his reads are null, and not scum hunting.

Shadoweh wanting to vote lurkers... whoops lets vote rawr first i bet! shadowehs probably town, but awful scum reads

actiondan will probably suicide no matter what if hes about to be lynched so town i guess(unless hes lying)

id put dormio for being town day vig, but i would be suspicious if he vigged the wrong person...

BT is town i guess

headcrabs posts and votes dont make too much sense to me so id add him to the scum list

affinity and bard id need to reread

maav/dorian is null for obvious reasons, but id say based on maavs posting closer to scum


why do only the lurkers look scummy to me  :colbert:

[BT]

Am busy, will post the update eventually, but for now:

Rawr, I noted the fact that Serela is putting me in danger, but I do not think it is indicative of Scum!Serela at all. I actually went as far as claim the exact opposite;
*It would be ridiculous for scum to 'clear' a person like this, especially when they suggest suicide for it to work. Serela flips scum, I'm in the same scenario like what PX did last game, nothing happens. "Setting up a NK" is pointless when they can NK me if they want to.
*It would be ridiculously hard for scum to think this one up. No, seriously. *_*