IMP MAFIA - TOWN VICTORY

[Dr Rawr]

@BT Im pretty sure everyone voted for serela last game because of the same exact behavior this game and he ended up town. So let me rephrase it... If serela ended up town(again) who else would you think would be scum? Also wouldnt it be better to wait till day2 to see if his posts and content improve or not?

@Maav im still not getting it...

[BT]

It's a bit too early for scumpicks based on flips, don't you think?

Also, I'm not voting him for 'the same behavior', I'm voting him for using past games as a way to make people go lite-scumhunting mode on him.

[Shadoweh]

@Huh what: I do not see where I actually attacked Shadoweh, rather then just state my opinion on the matter.
I also do not see where I disagreed with Maav, and was just asking for clarification on his vote on you.
Where are you pulling some of these..."information" from?

HI HERO YOU DO REMEMBER YOU'RE VOTING FOR ME RIGHT?

@Shadoweh: Your words, are they trying to be serious or humorous?
Let me guess, most of your thought process was based on the last sentence of my last post wasn't it?

When it comes to voting you right now I'm DeAd mOtHeRfUcKiNg sErIoUs aNd sHiT. You're asking questions to try and sound like you're looking for answers because you have no idea what to say. As scum. Your questions don't have anything to do with pursuing scum suspects, you're only asking why people are attacking you. Because that's all you're interested in. As scum.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@Huh what: I do not see where I actually attacked Shadoweh, rather then just state my opinion on the matter.

Your vote was on Shadoweh and you did not state any other scum suspects, so I assumed the disagreement was your reason for voting her. If it isn't, then who is scum and why the hell do you still not have a serious vote down? There's no excuse for not scumhunting this far into the day.

The line about me doesn't look like you were asking for clarification since it's not specific.

[Shadoweh]

Kitten4u tells me frequently I should :words: better so people listen to my cases. It's nice to have huh what posting after me to say what I'm thinking in a more understandable way. ♦

@shadoweh couldnt hero just be lazy, and just wanted to get a post out. Its how i see it from reading your post. Also why hero over shezo?

Lazy, yes. Just wanting to get a post out? Yes. The second is exactly why I believe him to be scum. He's not suspicious of anyone, he's just asking questions to sound that way. There is no 'just' in this, he's getting a post out to sound like he's thinking.

And Schezo is town, why would I be voting for him still! Silly Rawr.

Also FYI i was naked posting this

why would you do this

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Making some pressure on someone in L-4 or under is just too dangerous. (The mafia probably wouldn't speedlynch out of LYLO, though)

Uhh, what.
Also, have I mentioned that we should stop talking about suiciding? Because I think that we should stop fluffing up our posts with setup-gaming.

Dan still isn't here.

PX doesn't want to respond to me.

@Affinity: What are your thoughts on me, then? Or PX, for that matter. (When did PX switch his vote? I need to not be so tired when reading the topic.)

Also, off topic, but I applaud Rawr's innovation. First it was naked DotS, now he has followed that up with the natural next step: Naked mafia.

[Dr Rawr]

I got out of the shower, then i was like... Lets post in mafia! So for like an hour sitting in my chair i was naked trying to think

@shadoweh i will never understand why you voted shezo then :X

Also inb4 we wait till last 1 hour to agree on a lynch :V. Id really not enjoy that

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I was going to post earlier but then I had to do stuff and then when I was trying to post I had to do stuff again but now I'm posting.
... Not that PX nor Dan have decided to bless us with their presence, yet.
WHY DOES EVERYONE I WANT RESPONSES FROM DISAPPEAR?

@PX: Also, do you have anything to add in regards to Dan, or are you just going to sheep my case and leave it at that?

@Shadoweh: You say that you think that Schezo, PX and I are townie, what do you think of Dan in that case? Do you hate anyone that isn't Hero at this point?

WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE?

@Mod: I coughed out some blood today. Is that also asbestos?

[Affinity]

@Schezo: Well, I did say 'one or two of those things' in that quote.

Still not happy with Schezo.  His case on Dan is a cocktail of disconnected reasons (defending PX, spouting bullshit in his vote for Schezo, rolefishing).  Thing is that he ignores other people who have done one or two of these actions as well (e.g me), leading me to doubt his intent behind his Dan case.  Will keep my vote on him.

I'm sure, in your opinion, that Shadoweh and BT did push bullshit (from different angles) on you, and that Hero999 did rolefish or something to that extent.  But the main point is that additive scumhunting is bad because if townies can push bullshit on you, or defend PX (me, Dan, Shadoweh, BT can't all be scum), there should be no reason why Dan is scummy for doing things townies would do.  Your scumhunting seems fake for this reason.

The whole of your case is less than the sum of its parts unless you can put it in some context specific to Dan.  Dormio's case on Dan is stronger than yours for this reason.

@Dormio: Other than the PX-Dormio spat ED1, I more or less agree with your opinions on role speculation and find your Dan case decent.  PX did what I saw as reasonable in his response to you (though poorly worded).  In other words, I have a gigantic null on both of you.

[Serela]

I have read nothing since my last post, it's just, uh, something came up. Suddenly, my mother is flying back onto the continent to visit my grandparents. Now I have to decide whether I'm going to wake up at 4am tomorrow and take a 3 hour car trip and then a 12 hour train trip with my sister, to get up to Delaware and see my brother and all of the others.

As far as my existence in mafia goes, it means I basically wouldn't exist until after D1 is possibly over and then I'd probably be okay for D2 (less available perhaps, but okay), but that it's not guaranteed I would have internet access for like four days (I -should-, but not guaranteed)

not entirely sure whether I'm going to do this but I guess I should be able to get back to you on that matter before 4am EST tomorrow :V uhhh gonna go read what I missed now

Let me clarify my post a bit.

Assuming that huhwhat is scum and noone did any pressure on his partners yet. If there's a L-1 for a suicidal, he suicides, and there's some time for the scums to manipulate town into lynching another townie. If they got the night, there'd be:
1 - A dead townie (unless any of the protective roles did their job right);
2 - A investigation/track attempt, which could clearly spot one of the scums, and that leads the town closer to the other scums.

With another day they'd have an almost sure-fire dead townie.

waaaaaat

I -realllly- don't see where you're going with this. Sorry if I'm being obtuse. The part I especially don't see is the part that makes Huhwhat scum. It almost feels like the first sentence is unrelated to the rest of it. And, no matter what, there's almost a sure-fire dead townie. Even in best-case scenario where we lynch scum! So...! :3

@BT:More like "if I try to say anything else it's going to irritate the fuck out of you and over half the game will probably feel like voting me for it, regardless of whether I am town or scum." It's just sort of a thing that's true. Of course, saying that also irritates the fuck out of everyone, but at least it's FAR LESS CONFUSING and shorter.

tl;dr, Stupidity Are The Only Options and I can dish it in short annoying flavor or long annoying flavor. This discussion is pretty useless though so we should just agree that Serela Is Annoying and move on with our lives. I don't really care about you voting me because I'm already with a good enough reason to pass you as town and there isn't a scary wagon on me. If it wasn't for that though I'd probably at LEAST sadface that I'm letting a potential scum get away easy by coasting on "SERELA IS ANNOYING ##VOTE" which is the easiest case for everyone ever and everyone can -totally- get away with it because it's legitimate enough (Even if useless from an actual wanting to find scum standpoint unless I keep doing it for a long time I guess which would be dumb even for me)

wait where was I. oh right, the rest of the posts. Affinity did you just quote yourself and start arguing with it ? :C??? That's what the box says. Okay so.

##Unvote PX yeah I'm not feeling anything there.

Schezo I'm still GUT! and unlike all my feelings that I make that look like they're gut but aren't, that's really all I got on him. If the day was ending RIGHT NOW with L-1 stalemate I'd hammer him over non-Hero people, but, uh. Hero is GUT! in addition to actually being pretty useless, though, and pretty useless is a thing!

@Huh what: I do not see where I actually attacked Shadoweh, rather then just state my opinion on the matter.

well you -are- voting her
iunno that seems like something you should remember if you really were trying to kill teh scums! Where your vote is and who do you think is scum, these are things that are important and they should be matching and they should be kept up-to-date and not allowed to fall to the wayside.

Actually, skimming Hero's posts, I don't see anything on those matters anywhere! You sure haven't attacked Shadoweh, considering your vote on her is your jokevote from page 2. He seems to have forgotten entirely that he has a vote and that he should be decide who he thinks is more likely to be scum.
##Vote Hero999

[Serela]

to elaborate on that hero stuff I definitely meant to imply there at the end, that none of his posts have anything along the lines of who he thinks is scum, or anything relevant to that etc, not -just- that his vote is a jokevote from page 2

[Schezo]

I think I see where you are coming from now Affinity. So now I need Dan to get his bitchass in here already to see if what I saw earlier still holds.
I would think this may be coming from him not responding at all so the only contact is through me pushing a case that is growing stale but fuck

@Mod: At least 1/5 of the game needs to be prodded what's going on?

I'll elaborate on some things when I'm not using shoddy Internet. This is just real quick.

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

PX, claim.

or else i will destroy you  :V

[Shadoweh]

If you're claiming a vig I will kick you through the screen if you shoot PX.

shoot HERO999. GAMZEE WILLS YOU. don't deny the motherfuckin miracles.

Also if you could like talk about the game and stuff that would be cool. You do remember how to play Mafia right?

[Chaore]

@Schezo: Headcrabs and Bardiche will be prodded with rods. Even though the first case is redundant.

[Serela]

Yeahhhhh headcrabs. First of all, claiming vig D1 is sort of bad because then you need to -use- it D1 or risk getting nightkilled without using it, and using a vig D1 is really questionable due to lack of info. But since you seem to have already done it, you could at least try to, well, SOMEWHAT play mafia along with being a vig :C

[Shadoweh]

I literally can't understand what Maav is saying. :x I thought I would read him over later but.. Maav, you've been asked quite a few times to give opinions on more people. Please do so. His L-4 quicklynch comment reminds me of Helepolis's first weirdness.

@shadoweh i will never understand why you voted shezo then :X

That's cool, you don't need to understand how Gamzee trolls. Is this worrisome to you?

@Shadoweh: You say that you think that Schezo, PX and I are townie, what do you think of Dan in that case? Do you hate anyone that isn't Hero at this point?

Dan feels eh. I know he's lurking too. I just don't hate him enough. The level of venom I feel towards Hero superseeds all others at this moment. You do not understand the depths of my locked on scum hatred. I do declare I would threaten to no-lynch in preference to voting for someone else right now. Don't play chicken with me, I'll crash before letting this one go. @_@

ATTENTION EVERYONE WHO ISN'T VOTING FOR HERO999
go look at his posts
THEN GO LOOK AT BREMM SPARKFIST
then look back at hero999
THEN BACK AT SPARKFIST
then back at hero999
YOUR NEXT POST SHOULD CONTAIN A VOTE IN IT

Serela is a good boy! *pats Serela and gives a cookie* But I really wouldn't worry about headcrabs getting nightkilled with what he's doing. >_> Besides claiming Day 1 is the STRONGEST vig.

[Serela]

Jeez I guess I didn't think about that part, Shadoweh. It almost makes headcrabs' current behavior excusable.

...almost. But not really. Plus that he shouldn't have needed to do this in the first place ;_; But oh well.

Also was Bremm Hero? Oh hey... he was. Yeah.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Say Hero died, Shadoweh. Who else would you find suspicious?
Seriously, thoughts on the rest of the game, Shadoweh?

[PX]

Currently reading, but for now

Dormio. Think about what you're asking. That's a stupid question

[PX]

@Herdcrabs: No u

[Shadoweh]

Ask me again when he's dead.

[capt. h]

This is a Votecount

Dormio:
Shadoweh: Hero999, Bardiche
Huh What: Maav
Schezo: ActionDan, Affinity
Action Dan: Schezo, Dormio, PX
PX:
Hero999: Shadoweh, Huh What, NeoSerela
Bardiche:
NeoSerela: BT
Maav: Dr. Rawr

Not Voting:  Headcrabs

It takes 8 people to make a person hang from the end of a rope. There are 26 hours remaining before the end of the day.

 - Department of Unnecessarily Explanation

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

yes I remember how to play mafia

but let's just say i have the ability to kill someone, but not in the way you would think
they don't actually die, but they feel really bummed out. on the inside.

[Shadoweh]

You force them to reread Night of the Vampire? It doesn't sound like a good reason to be skittering at the edge of the game.
Or to not be voting Hero999.

[Bardiche]

I guess it would depend how long he wants to troll-case me.

Preferably until you break down and fling yourself into my chest, sobbing about how you're really scum and can't live with yourself.

##Unvote

Or until things start happening. Whatever, i, it's not like I want to hold you close.

I don't think his case is trolling so much as looking for somebody he can push a mislynch on.

Ha ha. Are you seriously suggesting I'd start pushing for "a mislynch" as early as page 3? You either over-estimate my strength of persuasion, or you think I'd be so naive to think voting Shadoweh at that juncture would get her lynched without a hitch. Are you sure your problem with me isn't that I think "suicide = extra town lynch" is extremely misguided thinking and serves scum more than Town?

Permit me to explain:

Person X is Town. Person Y is Town. Person Z is scum. Persons W and V think Person Y should be lynched. Person Y and Person Z think X should be lynched. Person Z proposes X suicides himself to prove he's Town. Reasonably, Person X refuses, since he's Town. The rest of Town now takes this as an admission of guilt and will lynch Person X next day for "refusing to give Town an extra lynch". Because reasonably, no Scum would voluntarily suicide themselves.

This is setting up lynches. This is setting up people who refuse to suicide for whatever noble reason to really be anti-Town people who do not like to present Town with an extra lynch. As such, it is at best an ill-conceived plan with little consideration, or a scummy intention pushed to abuse the suicide mechanic for scum ends: because the argument "Scum would never suicide" whereas the proposal that "a good Townie would!" does not jive with the reality that good Townies do not get themselves killed.

So yes, I think that's scummy, and I'm unsure if your bizarre assertion that I'm trying to get a mislynch on Shadoweh as early as page 3 isn't some kind of scum overreact mechanism. Or maybe it's just paranoia speaking. Whichever. I asserted Shadoweh was scum because BT proposed that I must clearly know who is the scum with my very first post, which seemed a laughable sentiment that somehow got echo'd by others. Whatever.

On to what I think of the game:

Serela is useless. BT is useless for attacking Serela over being useless again. It is like throwing rocks at a mountain. It is as throwing buckets of water in the ocean. An exercise in futility. I find BT scummy for latching onto an all-too-easy case. He is pursuing an obvious problem, which is present at each game, and pretends this is so novel all else deserves no mention. Worse, his case on Serela is his sole tunnel-driven point. Well, there's a paragraph of one-liners at everyone.

Prodding lurkers is an obvious way to make it look like you're looking at others, even though calling for lurkers to post is silly. If I could've posted before now I would've. It is not immediately obvious to me why Serela is worse than Schezo or Shadoweh, on who you also level accusations of scumminess. Why are they more scummy?

I also get bad feelings from Affinity, although I'm not sure why. I don't like the entire idea that there are only four interesting people to talk about, and I don't like how Affinity chooses to devote most of the time to Schezo.

The newbie/Serela circus is too uninteresting to really comment on.

##Vote: BT, for being actively scummy by latching onto an easy case and refusing to do anything else with his time, while pretending to keep an active check on all players.

And for those wondering, some family problems arose and so my posting is sporadic. You can stop calling for me to post now.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Shadoweh: Hero looks more like a less pro-active One to me than Bremm. The problem is that he's played enough games where he should be better at town than One was at this point. It's one thing to not have any particularly solid reads less than 12 or so hours into the day eg Shadoweh from early this game (which I still think wasn't as Bard as bad said, where is he by the wa- oh hey cut, I'll read that after posting), but when you still don't have a serious vote with almost 24 hours left in the day and none of your existing content draws any conclusions despite trying to look like you're drawing conclusions, you're not even trying to pretend you're town.

...which brings us to headcrabs, who is now doing the same thing. Can you save your role for when you're sure we really need it and focus on scumhunting for now? Roles are supplements to scumhunting, not replacements.

This D1 has been very frustrating due to the lack of consistent contribution from half the playerlist. All the main wagons up until Hero have ran on logic that I haven't particularly agreed with too, which just worsens thing.

[Bardiche]

ALSO BEFORE ANYONE COMPLAINS I DON'T TALK ABOUT THE REST:
Hold your horses, I'm still catching up. I imagine I'll have words about Hero and huh what, although I'm not sure whether it'll be to praise their towniness or condemn their scummy shit arse.

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

okay i caught up (sue me)

PX can suicide and restart the day. do you get to kill someone (ala a bomb) when you do this? I presume not, but I'd better make sure.

bardiche makes a good case against BT.

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

(can we edit posts)

at the same time, I disagree that good townies don't die. good townies die when it benefits the town. for example: PX suiciding if he was the popular lynch, or in a situation of two confirmed, one scum, and one PX.