IMP MAFIA - TOWN VICTORY

[Dr Rawr]

Oh i see people get butt hurt when these questions are asked. So you dont have to if you dont want to. Im just way confused atm.

[PX]

Wow, really girls? I seriously thought we went over why we DON'T EXPLAIN OUR TOWN READS just a few games ago. She's town to me because she reads as town to me and that's it.

How was it kneejerk?

"Whee, somepony said somepony was town, LET'S VOTE HER!"
Seriously, what town logic is this?

@Dormio: You're voting me because I posted a read of somepony stating they're town. Wheee, get a new vote. Or explain why you're voting me.Because...

PX is heavily exaggerating Dormio's vote while at the same time defending Dans actions when he put Shadoweh to L -3 vs Dormio's what, 1st vote on you PX?
Pot, you are black much more than the kettle you accuse. 

What? I vote Dormio for voting me for stating somepony is town, while two other ponies asked without voting. And what about me putting Shadoweh to L-3, RVS wagons never take off to a lynch. And defending Dan? I'm just taking huhwhat's logic and explaining my thoughts on why it's wrong. Otherwise, wouldn't I be able to say you're defending Dormio for the exact same reasons.

Warning: While Dormio made you play DotA2, 6 ponies managed to cut you in line.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Btw what is OMGUS

"Oh my God, you suck."
Where you vote someone for voting you.

Feel like actually contributing with opinions, Rawr?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

@PX: That's cool, now who's scum? Still me? Anyone else?

[Shadoweh]

Haha, I accidentally opened the troll me page and deleted my post. Well played.

AwH, sChEzO Is sO CuTe wHeN He gEtS WoRkEd uP. i dIdN'T HaVe a tOwN ReAd oN YoU YeT. nOw i dO. But the question stands. Even when you're berating me, you're doing it from the position of me being idiot town strong-arming other town lynches. You do think I'm town right? We can be ♥ this game~

Rawr: OH MY GOD YOU SUCK! Voting someone for the sole reason that they are voting you. Think of true claiming as declaring your role, and the suicide lynches as some people's roles letting them harm themselves. You don't need to focus on it, just scuttle yourself out there and find some scumbags.

And suddenly the days are longer okay.

Dormio: Because he felt weird and I didn't have an early town read on him yet. The best way to get one is to poke him until he explodes into something. For a Day 1 activity it was solid enough for me to explore. I have more reasons for why I think people are town then scum.

Gonna make some chicken then figure out who I want to vote next. I think Bard is just trying to move us to Serious Business mode, it's not a matter of towniness or scumminess yet. I guess it would depend how long he wants to troll-case me.

PX: Are you scum?

[Schezo]

Oh good, you both get to be cows.

First, he's no longer voting you so there's that.

It was an early day 1 prod and you kneejerked back in a hypocritical fashion.  That's what's bad.

If people just asked and never voted then nothing would ever get done.  You crumpled under the pressure of a vote with a vote back.
So when you quickly place people to L-3 borrowing other's reasons and then go on and make a comment like:

That vote was way too kneejerk, trying to get a quick mislynch wagon?

Do you not see your own disconnect calling a 1 vote wagon a "quicklynch" or what?

You can try to pull I'm defending Dormio for the same reasons but that won't work because Dormio isn't spewing bullshit like Dan.

Dan still takes priority over PX.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

"Don't explain your town reads on D1" is stupid, the policy should be changed to "Don't start imposing your town reads against other players on D1 in the first place unless you're going to back said reads up, because otherwise you're wasting everybody's time".

@PX: Yeah, okay, that's cool, but your reasons for Dormio looked nothing like that when you first posted them. Why didn't you say all of that in the first place instead of trying to paint Dormio as fishing for an "easy wagon"? Also, how do you feel about Dormio now that he's focussing on Dan instead of you?

@Shadoweh wrt Bard: That might fly if Bard hadn't made his post at a time where there were two serious wagons with three votes. I don't think his case is trolling so much as looking for somebody he can push a mislynch on.

Also, >V-V-V-Votecount! please.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

"quick wagon", not "easy wagon". For whatever it matters.

[Chaore]

Votecount I AM AN ARMADILLO edition

Dormio: PX
Shadoweh: Hero999, Bardiche
Huh What: NeoSerela
Schezo: Shadoweh, ActionDan, Affinity, BT
Action Dan: Schezo, Dormio
PX:
Hero999:
Bardiche: Huhwhat

Not Voting:  Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs, Maav

Takes 8 suckers to lynch a fool. You've got  around 50 and a half hours left around here too.

Gonna buy anything?

[Maav]

##Vote: Huhwhat

I'm just not making pressure on people because I don't have uncovered topics to go on. Not gonna pair up with anyone, because that's just my playstyle.

Either way, on my PoV, suiciding IS a bad idea. I'd prefer to lose a VT and get a clue on who can be scum than try another lynch. Every nightkill the mafia does gives us clues on who can be scum (due to their previous actions), so it sounds fair to let them kill someone, giving us new leads, on most cases.

Obviously, it goes on a case-per-case basis anyway. It's not like a suicidal should ALWAYS reject trueclaiming upon L-1 or L-2, but on most cases, yeah, having another night is the way to go.

Also, we're almost obvious to have night actions on the town's side. Maybe a cop can hit a scum, for example.

[Shadoweh]

Either way, on my PoV, suiciding IS a bad idea. I'd prefer to lose a VT and get a clue on who can be scum than try another lynch. Every nightkill the mafia does gives us clues on who can be scum (due to their previous actions), so it sounds fair to let them kill someone, giving us new leads, on most cases.

sdgdfgfdgh *gargles*

Okay. I'm not going to try to throw newbies off a bridge this game. I'm just going to calmly explain why you're wrong. WE WANT TOWN TO BE IN CONTROL OF KILLING PEOPLE, NOT THE SCUM TEAM. There is never a time that letting scum kill behind closed doors is better then forcing them to make reasons in front of us and put down votes. We still lose the VT and get the same information, the difference is scum don't get to off someone who is town and never going to be lynched.

##Unvote I'm not going to have time for a few hours but I don't want to lynch Schezzy-tan-chan right now so

[Schezo]

Interesting observation.  I had not yet considered TOWN NIGHTACTIONS you fucking cows.  Stop acting like you deserve to be slapped in public.

Would you please add some input to the Dan/PX/Dormio/Schezo  thing going on Maav?

[capt. h]

8th day of Christmas Bottom of the Nineth Votecount


Dormio: PX
Shadoweh: Hero999, Bardiche
Huh What: NeoSerela, Maav
Schezo: ActionDan, Affinity, BT
Action Dan: Schezo, Dormio
PX:
Hero999:
Bardiche: Huhwhat

Not Voting:  Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs, Shdaoweh

With ~47.5 hours remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

[Hero999]

Personally I have to agree with huh what's point on the "town read no explain"
It can easily be misused by scum to avoid typing up a valid reasons.

@huh what: Are you saying indirectly that you believe Bardiche to be one of the scum?
That is how I am seeing your line of "That might fly if Bard hadn't made his post at a time where there were two serious wagons with three votes. I don't think his case is trolling so much as looking for somebody he can push a mislynch on."
In post 126.

Personally I can agree with huh what's point on the "town read no explain"
It can easily be misused by scum to avoid typing up a valid reasons.

@ActionDan: 50 feels like something thrown out there to get something going. But I get this feeling that I can't explain when I look at it while considering Schezo's words.

@Maav: I can't really see your reason for voting Huhwhat. The only thing I see that you did was heavily rebuke and discredit his idea.

On a random note:
@Shadoweh: Am I suppose to take post 47 as a tree stump claim?

If we consider huh what's claim from his role PM, that every townie has a true claim, The advantages of stating this would could break the game, so as someone else said, it should be safe to assume scum also have true claims.

If we consider ActionDan's claim from his role PM, that seppuku resets the day. From what I think of it, this connect to some of the other posts in the game concerning  making townies suicide or letting a lynch go off.

@Shadoweh: I can't say that I fully agree with your opinion about the suicide and lynches in post 130. What your saying is something similar to "never let D1 end."
I doubt that keeping the day going on and on without lynches will allow people to really make confident situations.
This in my opinion actually brings down townie morale, because we will be losing townies that seppuku without having NK analysis.

Even if scum never get their kills, town will slowly be killing themselves and getting more and more disorganized because everyone will likely be arguing different points.

And I think thats all I can think of for now.

[Shadoweh]

Er, no, if I were a tree stump I would have clearly had my alignment displayed and my vote taken away. >.>

[Serela]

Serela, you're going to contribute something that isn't setup speculation later, right?

It was the only thing going on ed1 for me to talk about anyway :c Plus sleepiness. At least at the end I went "Hey let's just stop because it's probably NOT going to help" but anyway post time!

OKAY. I would say HW is totes town but as usual I have a town and scum read on him at the same time so hooooo boy moving on. Honestly I think Dan is town. Now that's different. BT is town don't ask me why, he just is. No seriously. I don't care if you don't believe me right now on that!

I have no idea where the heck I stand on townie suicide stuff. TBH it almost seems like a lose/lose unless the townie actually wants to suicide (Like if their power does something when they die, too. And DON'T GO AROUND SAYING "Oh yeah mine does Serela!" because DEAR JESUS at least half the players have softclaimed already, most of whom had NO GOOD REASON TO DO SO.) and honestly I'd rather we pretend that, outside of willingness for whatever reason, that people just don't have that kind of power. Honestly, I think we'd be better off if no one had ever claimed something like that (I wouldn't have if I knew a lot of other people would say they had the same in return.)

Not only that, but if it really does reset the day timer, that really screws shit up if it happens more then once every now and then (And hell if I want to let it happen d1, no way, we are fucking lynching someone today)

...this is a lot of setup speculation in this post I guess, but it's actually at least somewhat justified for once, instead of Serela ranting on and on about stuff that doesn't really matter.

Okay, but anyway. This game is weird as fuck so far to read, and I honestly have no idea who I want to vote other then Not Dan Or BT and not people who have barely posted. For the moment I am going to take Shadoweh as not worth going after. Process of elimination removes two thirds of the game from the Interesting In A Voting Sense pool so... hrm.

Further continuing elimination as I skim over pages three through five over and over and over gets me down to PX and Schezo.

##Unvote
##Vote:PX

[Shadoweh]

So.. you're voting PX because he's not Schezo? <_<

[Serela]

I'm voting PX because I got nothing and everyone here should know by now that the most you can get out of me right now is a repeat of last game's D1.

Now does anyone -really- want that? I can do it, but I'm extremely doubtful that anyone other then maybe Affinity would appreciate it. On d2 (Hopefully later d1 but I doubt it) I should be able to make some sort of logical vote. Gotta start somewhere! ;_;

If you want to attack me for being useless, I can easily name several being more useless then me right now but are simply less obvious about it, so it'd be barking up the wrong tree.

[Serela]

everyone here should know by now etcetcetc

okay maybe not the new people, but

[Schezo]

Serela

Stop acting like you deserve to be slapped in public.

You were doing ok then you came to the scum hunt part, skipped a bunch of thought and info, down to two now because God knows why and vote.

I'd like it of you could fill in the parts on why it was between PX and I being scum and why PX is even scum if you would.

[Serela]

But I DO deserve to be slapped in public  :]

If I wanted to make a vote I can justify, I'd vote Maav for voting HW without making as much as the slightest mention of the guy.

I already forgot how I got down to you and PX, so maybe I should just do that, but... I know I had -some- sort of logic going on there. Plus I'd rather wait on developments so that I can REALLY trust in my vote before making a vote that -other people- might actually like.

[Shadoweh]

If you want to attack me for being useless, I can easily name several being more useless then me right now but are simply less obvious about it, so it'd be barking up the wrong tree.

You should probably do this actually. People who are being useless in a less obvious way are good scum candidates.

The reasons I think PX is town is related to what I -think- I did with my true-claim. I'd appreciate it if people would stop hammering him when he's specified that his read is in response to my post saying I'm not sure what happened. It's not even subtle but you're not following the crumbs.

[Schezo]

Hero placing a serious vote after that thing just noe is a thing that needs to happen.

Ugh. Let's see what Serela comes up with in the morning then.

And I'll address the Cow then too.

[Shadoweh]

WhAt dO YoU ExPeCt mE To tHiNk wItH An aVaTaR ThAt cReEpY? iS ThAt bOnDaGe aRcHeR Or sOmEtHiNg?

[Schezo]

Gig -Master of Death-
Now stop hating because you jelly. BV

[Serela]

Basically, I don't really -believe- in the Maav vote right now, while on some level I trust myself from almost half an hour ago to have had some sort of actual thought that PX might actually be scum, despite that I cannot justify it, which is possibly better as I don't really want to convince others on PX being scum as I don't feel that I have a strong enough read to be comfortable actually having influence on others opinions right now.

See, now is where I'm starting to sound really weird. I should stop talking and go to bed! G'night :3

You should probably do this actually. People who are being useless in a less obvious way are good scum candidates.

well sure fine, but while I know what you mean, the problem is it's happening in ways that are, well, you decide for yourself

first there's maav, see what I said about him in my previous post. I'm not really getting specifically bad vibes from him right now though (More like "I'm new and doing what I can!" vibes really)

headcrabs shows up and says something that sounds like "I'M A VIG, NOW TELL ME WHY NOT TO KILL YOU" but :shrug: it wouldn't be a shocker if he wasn't intending that interpretation

rawr p.much hasn't done anything (I feel for you though, this is a pretty confusing game even if you were used to playing mafia)

hero is pretty much just setup speculation, but honestly, it's hard not to since... I mean, he's commenting and giving his opinions on others opinions, but the other's opinions are -also- setup speculation, so it's just a thing, y'know?

Also, Shadoweh, crumbs tend to be harder to notice then the maker thinks, even if you tell people it's there. And "I think PX is town due to what I think I did but I'm not sure what that is, exactly" isn't really a very comforting notion, unless you're more sure then you're letting on I guess but I suppose you shouldn't tell us even if you are.

I feel like voting schezo instead all of a sudden but I'm not going to succumb to every little whim and fancy! better to wait till I'm back tomorrow, by then I'll probably have forgotten most of this game so it'll almost be like reevaluating everyone from a clean slate (that's not going to be until after at least 6:30pm EST (18 and a half-ish hours from now) as I have drivers ed class ;_;)

[Serela]

tl;dr more then half of the first half of d1 is all setup speculation which is what the fuck.

[ActionDan]

dodging.  Hold me to post in ~2 hours. 

[Chaore]

Votecount THE RABBITS ARE BENEVOLENT AND KIND CREATURES EDITION

Dormio: PX
Shadoweh: Hero999, Bardiche
Huh What: Maav
Schezo: ActionDan, Affinity, BT
Action Dan: Schezo, Dormio
PX: Neoserela
Hero999:
Bardiche: Huhwhat

Not Voting:  Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs, Shadowmeh

Eight to lynch, 46.5 hours remaining. Upupupupu~

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm just not making pressure on people because I don't have uncovered topics to go on.

How do you expect to find scum without pressure, broskies? Pressure them until the scum slip up.

Not gonna pair up with anyone, because that's just my playstyle.

Nobody's telling you to do this, broskies.

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