Author Topic: Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)  (Read 106005 times)

Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #750 on: October 16, 2011, 01:59:27 PM »
EWBOP:This is also the reason I said that he practically also deserves a policy lynch at the same time. He needs to be lynched for being scum and policy lynched for being massive unexistance.
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #751 on: October 16, 2011, 04:38:10 PM »
Alright, I ISO PX, and I really...well...
Other the lack of content, I find his reactions at certain points in the game to be town-related, so I cannot say I agree with his lynch.
I really do not see the scummy content Bardiche is saying from just a ISO.
However, one thing I'd like to note is that he seems to be avoiding Dormio, not sure if it is his Bias or something else.

On another note, looking at Bardiche's post 740 seems...abuse of mob mentality?
It feels like hes using AtE, since most of us are suspicious of each other, and that hes trying to unite us to bring down an easy target.
Not sure if this is just me being paranoid.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #752 on: October 16, 2011, 06:29:43 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (1): Hero999
BT (2): Pesco, huh what
Bardiche (0):
Pesco (0):
Serela (2): Dormio, PX
PX (4): Serela, JOB, BT, Bardiche
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):

Not Voting:

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.  D3 ends in ~6 hours (watch countdown).

PX is at L-1
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A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #753 on: October 16, 2011, 06:53:32 PM »
You're right, Hero, I'm trying to unite you all to bring down an easy target. Easy because he's fucking scum. I just don't detect any of this Town spirit and I will restate the case on PX before deadline, and you will all see the goddamn light.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #754 on: October 16, 2011, 07:08:21 PM »
How about I hammer PX now?

I don't have a case on him. We just want a lynch.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #755 on: October 16, 2011, 07:12:02 PM »
Yeah I'm fine with that, Pesco. I don't really think anything else needs to be said, partially because nothing else has really been getting said recently in the first place.
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Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #756 on: October 16, 2011, 07:16:25 PM »
tl;dr PX is scum for doing some scummy shit. Bounds into D1 with blatant hypocrisy and almost no presence, jumps onto popular wagons, doesn't bother scumhunting outside of whatever Town is mulling over, making ED1 cases during Late Day 1, jumping around cases with no rhyme nor reason, ignoring of all comments vis-a-vis him except the ones he can easily counter (and subsequently doesn't beyond asking why he's scum!), and things he votes people for also apply to himself.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #758 on: October 16, 2011, 07:22:47 PM »
Responses to Shadoweh don't mean anything because sarcasm on the internets. Why do you think I tell her to stop doing that.

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #759 on: October 16, 2011, 07:25:15 PM »
Well, okay, to his credit the question asked is really stupid, but the proper response is always "Why the fuck would I self-hammer?" if you're Town.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #760 on: October 16, 2011, 07:28:12 PM »
I prefer a response of "Shadoweh stop asking crap and scumhunt" :V

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #761 on: October 16, 2011, 07:32:44 PM »
Well, that's what we told her, but it turned out she was Town asking crap and not scumhunting. Which is why this game would be infinitely easier if everyone'd stop being scum and the real scum'd stand up.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #762 on: October 16, 2011, 07:39:58 PM »
* Pesco stands up and walks away

Cutting PX with another post :V

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #763 on: October 16, 2011, 07:59:43 PM »
D: I'm back, but let me post people!

GOD LET ME POST.

It seems like it's me vs BT :| Guess I should finally read BT.

Reading through his ISO, I immediately see stuff I don't like. Here, he goes follows the group and votes for ActionDan for what everyone else said, and then says he thinks Schezo is scum. Then cheerleads the Schezo wagon to avoid "pushing for majority." Then he suddenly takes back everything he says on ActionDan and jumps on the Schezo bandwagon anyways. Then here, "Everybody thinks Schezo is town, so will I! ActionDan is my vote, but I'm not going to vote him because I'll be put on the spotlight." All of a sudden, he goes "but I'm really voting PX" here. Holy crap man, MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
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Yes, there's an hour left. So if someone else wants to vote PX, and PX doesn't respond yet, I have no problem letting him end it instead. In fact, it's preferred, for obvious reasons.
So, you want me to die, but you don't want to get your hands dirty on it?! SCUM!!!!!!!!!!
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Despite this, I tried making an opinion, and this ended up being, consequentially, mostly based on others' posts.

Maybe a little explanation on my play-style so far is in order. At first I was wary of Schezo and ActionDan, because that seemed to be the consensus (yes, I know how terrible this is, no need to say anything).
Da fuck? You claim that you're sheeping. Then you claim you're scum? Considering you posted this.

About Pesco vs Shadoweh? If you hadn't noticed, my 'big wall of text' basically convicted Pesco without actually convicting him, mostly because I was sure a lynch on him would be nigh impossible and that I'd get even more shit for it, and that I possibly had worse reads. Oh, and was also afraid of getting accused of OMGUS. HW's case just proves me wrong, though.

##Unvote
##Vote Pesco
So you just try to avoid the spotlight and follow the leaders? SCUM BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!!!!

Look here. Looking through all your posts, this now reads like you trying to get everyone else to post before you can continue to FOLLOW THE LEADER!!!!!!
Here your opinions are pretty much copy paste, not to mention the first time you made a solid stance on me AND A CASE.

tl;dr
NOT ME OVER ME
##Unvote
##Vote: BT


AND FUXDAMMIT YOU TWO STOP CUTTING ME SDFHIL:SDF

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #764 on: October 16, 2011, 08:08:51 PM »
So you "finally read BT" on D3? I'd call you a huge slacker, but considering you've already made up time to read other people (you had your vote on a certain someone before you changed it), I'm not buying it.

Town behavior isn't mustering a last minute case against "second place lynch target", especially if you had a scumpick beforehand and mysteriously forgot about it. I rest my case.

I'm ok with ending the day at this point. My opinion just got reinforced.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #765 on: October 16, 2011, 08:17:55 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (1): Hero999
BT (3): Pesco, huh what, PX
Bardiche (0):
Pesco (0):
Serela (1): Dormio
PX (4): Serela, JOB, BT, Bardiche
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):

Not Voting:

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.  D3 ends in ~5 hours (watch countdown).

PX is at L-1
BT is at L-2
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #766 on: October 16, 2011, 08:22:01 PM »
Screw you all. The day will be starting at a more suitable time for me.

I'll just pretend that we're getting BT's flip and be satisfied with that.

##Unvote
##Vote PX

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #767 on: October 16, 2011, 08:23:27 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (1): Hero999
BT (2): huh what, PX
Bardiche (0):
Pesco (0):
Serela (1): Dormio
PX (5): Serela, JOB, BT, Bardiche, Pesco
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):

Not Voting:

PX was lynched.  He was a Mafia Goon
Night actions are due 24 hours from now.
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #768 on: October 17, 2011, 08:55:01 PM »
Overnight Pesco died.  He was a Vanilla Townie.  It is now D4.

Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Serela (0):
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):

Not Voting: Serela, JOB, BT, Bardiche, Dormio, huh what, Hero999

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is October 20th at 5PM EDT (watch countdown)
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (N3)
« Reply #769 on: October 17, 2011, 08:57:06 PM »
Shit I was about to post at the end of D3 before jerk Pesco decided to hammer right when I finished writing it:
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Hero and Dormio lynches obviously weren't happening because people hate my logic so I switched to BT because recent interactions with Pesco have made me think that he's the best next target. Did so without explanation because I wanted to see his reaction given that he has been trying a lot harder when talking to people who are attacking him. I took another look through BT's posts after Pesco responded to me about JOB and most of his effort seems to be put into defending himself rather than toward hunting scum. This isn't the "cornered townie has to defend themself a lot due to pressure" kind of overdefensive, it's scummy because he's not actively playing the game and voting for scum until other players start attacking him. I'd argue that some of his defense even comes off as an overreaction, I'm pretty sure my question toward him didn't warrant a huge WoT. It should be noted that said WoT didn't actually answer how his thought process changed from lynching PX is a crapshoot -> one sentence during early D3 -> PX IS THE SCUMMIEST, LYNCH NOW. The evolution of BT's PX stance looks like a scummy attempt to sneak on a wagon without actually having any consistency throughout his play.

Ultimately I'd say Hero and Dormio are still worse, but I can actually see the case on BT after re-reading him and I'm willing to push for his lynch. I still think PX is town and do not want him lynched. Serela case isn't really convincing to me even though his posts irk me on gut.
None of that matters now but should explain why I did what I did. Even though I was wrong. :l

Pesco and Bard are obvtown now. One of them probably died overnight, I don't know, I'm writing this at the start of N3. JOB looks fine too due to his staunch refusal to go after anything aside from the PX case. Serela probably wasn't bussing because he was the initial push on PX during D3 and scum probably knew the PX wagon was very likely to take off. There would have been enough mislynches for scum!Serela that I don't think he would have needed the bus if he could find a good reason to not start the D3 PX wagon. He was also one of the main components of the PX wagon on D1, so without him, PX would have definitely survived that day. Actually, I realllly don't think that PX was bussed, so I'm not particularly interested in attacking his wagon today. If anybody was bussing, though, then it was probably BT since his stance on PX was inconsistent as fuck... but he was also a counterwagon, so unless PX's post before deadline was last minute distancing, that leaves me, Hero and Dormio. <_<

##Vote Dormio
He completely ignored PX on D3 even though PX's wagon was huge throughout the day, which I think is actually worse than me and Hero openly defending PX.
In fact, given what he said on D1, PX has been in his neutral pile the entire game. This is the easiest way for scum to avoid attention following a scumflip, because there are no ties to analyze at all. This is scummier than any of the actual "connections" to PX.
Regardless of him never actually saying anything about PX, throwing reads out of the window to vote Dan looks like a sloppy chainsaw defense of PX in hindsight. I'm interpreting the way he way he dropped his reads without little explanation as being a side effect as scum rushing to lynch the easy target who was after their buddy.
Refer to this post for things I dislike about Dormio that aren't flip related.

Finally, PX's flip makes me strongly believe that the Serela wagon was a scum push. I don't think that both scum voting on it is too unlikely if they thought it could discredit Serela himself and have him take off as the counterwagon to PX.

Hero is still Hero, and at this point I can't tell if he's actually scummy or if I just have massive tunnel vision on him. I think his stance on PX looks more genuine than BT's because it's not ~INCONSISTENT AS FUCK~, so I'd actually lynch BT first. It doesn't help that BT should have hammered PX on D1 but didn't actually do so. Blargh.

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #770 on: October 17, 2011, 08:58:41 PM »
Jesus fuck.

##Vote: Dormio, for all the reasons I stated yesterday.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #771 on: October 17, 2011, 09:19:06 PM »
Why I don't like a Dormio lynch:
Don't particularly like BT getting lynched.
PX wanted my wagon to out-vote his. We can only conclude that his partner would have to be in a desirable spot to "vote BT over PX". However, this puts him in a completely opposite spot. A scumpartner would want to leave me as a possible vote, especially after Pesco's case making my lynch even mildly possible. If Dormio were PX's partner, this would be illogical of him. With Hero, on the other hand, things fit;
Alright, I ISO PX, and I really...well...
Other the lack of content, I find his reactions at certain points in the game to be town-related, so I cannot say I agree with his lynch.
He doesn't express any opinion on me, while defending PX. If the need to vote for me showed up, he'd just have to say "yes I agree with Pesco's case and like I said earlier I don't agree with PX's lynch so *vote*".

Both Dormio and Hero have had weird non-town behavior, but this puts Hero in front for me.

In the same way I could accuse HW of turning me from 'town' to 'scum' after the Pesco case, voting me and expressing no will to lynch PX. HW has actually been acting mildly town-like, though, so I'd be less willing here.

##Vote Hero999

HW, does scum!BT make sense with PX's flip? Remember that I actually WAS going to hammer PX if nothing else happened, and I put myself in unneeded risk just to vote against him last day.

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #772 on: October 17, 2011, 09:23:18 PM »
Dormio might as well have been bussing his buddy, BT. The argument doesn't hold.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #773 on: October 17, 2011, 09:32:43 PM »
Ack, didn't know what made me skip through that possibility.

My vote holds, though. I still have plenty of reasons to think that both of them are scum, so either one is acceptable for the time being.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #774 on: October 17, 2011, 09:44:18 PM »
Yeah ##Vote Dormio

We've got this in the bag.
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #775 on: October 17, 2011, 09:46:34 PM »
I have no complaints at all about lynching dormio, as Huh what pointed out, they have been neutral to each other all game, with little to no connection with each other...

Wait what L-1 already?

Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #776 on: October 17, 2011, 09:47:01 PM »
Oh that's L-1.

But honestly I don't care. He's scum and I can't even humor the possibility of it being anyone else without anything short of mod confirmation.

And it's not like he's going to hammer himself anyway, unless he's scum completely giving up.
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Hero999

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #777 on: October 17, 2011, 09:48:12 PM »
...
Bah
...Sigh...
##Vote Dormio

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #778 on: October 17, 2011, 09:48:50 PM »
##Vote Dormio

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D4)
« Reply #779 on: October 17, 2011, 09:49:21 PM »
OH MY GOD YOU FUCKERS.
LET ME POST YOU BASTARDS.
YOU.
BASTARDS.