Author Topic: Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)  (Read 106183 times)

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #240 on: October 08, 2011, 06:37:12 AM »
Okay there captain Bandwagon. Hands up on how many people would vote themselves for losing to a Hero/PX scumteam? That would be so shocking a revelation even I couldn't fathom it.

My read of Hero is he said Schezo was scum and didn't vote him immediately, then claimed he wasn't saying he thought Schezo was scum even though he was okay with his lynch and provided actual reasoning related to Schezo being scum. Hero, this is pretty silly even for you. I still think your initial frustration looks town, but you need to follow up the questions you ask as well. Failure to do so makes it look like you don't care.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #241 on: October 08, 2011, 06:53:23 AM »
So you're happy to vote me without checking something like that.  times change.  Why I am scum? I don't think my votes are terrible at all.  Why am I scum? all I remember from you is that you attacked me after I voted PX.  The rest of the day has been small prods on people that hardly got people to focus on Schezo.  The only person that you influenced to talk was BT.   And his vote could probably change with the wind.

Rereading is effort and I know for a fact that I've reread the game more than anyone else so far. What you already did doesn't change unless someone deletes posts and rewrites history. Why I would misremember the meaning of stuff you did is because your stances are so pathetic that they look different when reread. My vote swap to you was telegraphed here.

@Huhwhat: I'm not too sure on Dan, but I'm currently leaning town. He has said and done some scummy things but I think overall he isn't that bad.
Schezo, who was a potential lynch target, I am leaning town too. The argument between him and Omba really painted Schezo in a good light for me.
Hero999 I'm not sure of either. I'd rather have a bit more substance from him before I decide.

Use more words and elaborate further. What exactly have they done that is scummy/town?

This is the kind of stuff that lets scum coast by with little-to-no content. It seems pretty unlikely we'll get enough substance from him for a clearer decision to be made before the day is almost over, so it's best to re-read him and decide now rather than waffling over it.

Hero responds to pressure, such as voting him to L-1. If you can get it that far then you might be able to have your preferred lynch too. Bear in mind that town would have to risk losing out a viable wagon.

My read of Hero is he said Schezo was scum and didn't vote him immediately, then claimed he wasn't saying he thought Schezo was scum even though he was okay with his lynch and provided actual reasoning related to Schezo being scum. Hero, this is pretty silly even for you. I still think your initial frustration looks town, but you need to follow up the questions you ask as well. Failure to do so makes it look like you don't care.

I'll reread Hero for this.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #242 on: October 08, 2011, 07:00:36 AM »
Normally when you say "please elaborate" you would say after that something like "on what you meant by 'insert thing here'".

I saw your scummy behaviour but I wanted to wait to see if you would do something scummy again, before being sure of it. What you did was scummy. You voted Schezo for what I assume was to pressure him for lurking and you didn't even give a real reason other than that. Then later on you vote Shadoweh for only one reason that's your own (IIRC) and about 2-3 reasons taken from other people (one person being me suspecting her for throwing around WIFOM). Then later on you vote Action Dan for OMGUS, which it turns out actually was supposed to join with a whole other case. Stop taking from others, and make your own cases. If you can find another thing bad with Dan then that would be good.

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@Pesco: I've already elaborated further on Hero. Dan did some suspicious things (like the Pesco/Schezo scum thing) but I can see some town intent in his other posts. Schezo had that argument with Omba, but during it he got a bit frustrated, I think that was townie frustration, and paired with the townie intent I see in his posts he looks very town to me.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #243 on: October 08, 2011, 07:02:18 AM »
I'm not seeing scumHero. He hasn't said much but I think he's been pretty clear on exactly what he's saying.

And that he spells 'you're' as 'your' :V

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #244 on: October 08, 2011, 07:31:50 AM »
I wouldn't take it to the bank, but someone told me to trust my gut more often.
Now why won't you answer the other thing I keep asking you? -.-


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #245 on: October 08, 2011, 07:52:38 AM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (1): Serela
Omba (0):
Pesco (1): ActionDan
Schezo (2): Omba, BT
Serela (0):
ActionDan (4): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX
PX (3): Shadoweh,  JOB, Bardiche
Hero999 (2): Schezo, huh what
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~18 hours (watch countdown)
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #246 on: October 08, 2011, 08:39:00 AM »
No you answer what I asked you.

I draw my thoughts of Schezo from the moment
Spoiler:
his Soul Gem turn into a Grief Seed and the overwhelming despair will reveal his true nature
he started replying out of emotion. There's no formula for reading people's knee-jerk reactions. It's just how well you think you know them.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #247 on: October 08, 2011, 12:14:53 PM »
@Schezo: Alright lets get this broken down into pieces.
I believe if I went by Meta, Schezo would be scum due to the British gentlemen or something or another.
I Went by Meta.
Went by Meta.
Meta.
Have I explicated stated that I rely utterly on meta?

Why do you want me to specifically reread your whole spat with Omba, why is it that you cannot state the answer to my answer in a more clear light for me to understand?

On the note of Deflection, You stated yourself, and I was stating what you said. You want Dormio dead, then you don't seem to be doing anything on that part. Reason?

Clarified on it? I stated that he only clarified after he was hit for it.
Also, your last quote in #184 is unreasonable.
I am stating the fact that Actiondan invoked Meta upon PX, and attacked him for a change in personality.
Felt the need to note a setup oh Pesco/Schezo, and clarifying only after being hit for it.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #248 on: October 08, 2011, 12:40:44 PM »
@Job: Please, parroting? is that all your attacking me for? Your parroting right there by saying the exact same thing Schezo has said to me already. You want a cracker too?
Due to the large about of parroting. So that is your only reason? I really can't think your going to towns interests if you believe that parroting a large amount is immediate scum. Especially after you stated it wasn't a good argument yourself. Yet still stick to it.
Right now I find your cases to state
PX + Hero are scum, lynch PX over Hero anyways.

@Actiondan: My case on you is
You attacking PX specifically because of personality changes.
Needing to get hit on your *note* before you cared to clarify.
Counter vote on Pesco, because he apparently voted for something you found wrong.

@Pesco: Is there any reason you refuse to diverge information to public? You do not need to respond to this if you don't want to. Jerk Pesco

Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #249 on: October 08, 2011, 01:01:48 PM »
Okay I woke up and stuff

first of all
##Unvote Bardiche
because I haven't even wanted Bard lynched since like the start of d1, but in my previous post I thought it'd look worse to just ##Unvote and leave my vote nowhere :C

old pesco questions go
Quote from: Pesco
Would you vote one of Schezo or Dan at the moment? Is a Dormio lynch going to be viable today?
No No and No

Bard:I triiiiied ;_; My online friend Ty calls me useless too from how I act in all the roleplays we've done. And he hasn't even seen me play mafia. I guess I'm not very useful in general!

Shadoweh:"Fleeing the Schezo Titanic" is an awesome line

Schezo/Huhwhat look town to me. I'm positive there are more town reads I could pick up right now but finding scum before my brain gets tired of mafia is more important!

I'm not sure where I stand on Dan. I don't really want to vote him today, but I wouldn't say I have a town read either. This must... develop further.

I'm trying to reread PX but I can't even find any goddamn posts by him wtf :I That in itself isn't exactly a good sign. Oh wait nevermind I just skimmed past them somehow. Okay! PX's posts past RVS are "Shadoweh is scum over shena-" oh wait that's actually sorta true and I can see where you're coming fro- okay well next is "Dan's OMGUS i-" oh wait I sorta like that too :C

Fuck, where was I again?

Knee-jerk reaction is that Pesco is scum. This is probably a really dumb reaction though. I have some questions for PX before I decide whether I want to vote him or not, anyway.

PX, what are your opinions on people other then Dan? You haven't really mentioned anyone other then Shadoweh/Dan yet. Like at all. This makes me sadface!
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #250 on: October 08, 2011, 01:48:00 PM »
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@Actiondan: My case on you is
You attacking PX specifically because of personality changes.
Needing to get hit on your *note* before you cared to clarify.
Counter vote on Pesco, because he apparently voted for something you found wrong.

personality changes should be looked into.  People not acting like themselves is suspicious, and I found PX to be scummy because of it. (Also, I thought Omba's case was good). 
Narrative causality.  I simply assumed people could take that at face value.  People "hitting me" are those on my wagon proclaiming me scum, and all have used that as a reason to attack me without explaining why it's scummy.  I believe Bard is the only one to say anything of substance about it, that it was "silly and bad to do."
Your Damn right I found it wrong.  How is it scummy for me to vote someone I think is OBVSCUM.

And Pesco is Obvscum.  Thank you serela for the knee-jerk reaction, I'm glad someone can see the light.   

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #251 on: October 08, 2011, 02:16:24 PM »
@Pesco: Is there any reason you refuse to diverge information to public? You do not need to respond to this if you don't want to. Jerk Pesco

What haven't I told town? The only thing I can think of is that my gift of insight looks like leaps of logic to you lesser life forms. Ain't my fault if everyone is too dumb to read.

##Unvote Bardiche
because I haven't even wanted Bard lynched since like the start of d1, but in my previous post I thought it'd look worse to just ##Unvote and leave my vote nowhere :C

So you've just unvoted and left your vote hanging anyway. Now where was the rest of your post?

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #252 on: October 08, 2011, 03:09:11 PM »


JOB's jumping bandwagons left and right, Serela's talking about how he doesn't want to just unvote and then he just unvotes... you're all scum, aren't you?

Using meta is silly and bad because good players use that to their advantage, Dan. I agree here now that PX is not acting like his useless usual self by being twice more useless than normally, exceeding even Serela in being useless.

PEOPLE ON ACTIONDAN: WHY IS DAN WORSE THAN PX?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #253 on: October 08, 2011, 03:11:26 PM »
Aw crap, that's s'posed to be a psyduck.jpg

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #254 on: October 08, 2011, 03:57:36 PM »
... That's a lot of posts, huh. Oh well.

Omba link the relevant posts for me to read that you feel are fluffly and I'll get back to you on that.
FFFFF-
One fluff post, the one that got him under fire in the first place.

If you mean "besides sharing it and suggesting we lynch the towniest people", then I'd say use it at a later juncture when scum tries to pull 3-scum-teams after one of their members get lynched, making Town look for a phantom scum. Does that sate your curiousity?
It does.

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If Schezo couldn't find anything, does your case then change? Is he still scum for prioritising making his presence known over simply lurking?
I'm not able to tell whether he was unable to find anything, but the possibility has been noted; I think he would have been able to, though. And yes, I still see it as scummy, just as before. It's a very weak tell on it's own, however.

I never said I voted Bard for probing questions. I only said I voted him for dragging out that discussion for longer than needed.
Define longer than needed. Specifically, define difference between probing questions and dragging out.

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I completely forgot about the PX case, sorry. I can give you that as a good case.
Nice Action Dan case btw, oh wait that was meant for Pesco. You only really added like one bit of information. Try adding a little bit more into the mix to see what you can make. With that last sentence, it seems as if you wanted to elaborate further but didn't have anything to go on. Perhaps now would be a good time to try?
Hero999(because Hero is much more catchy than Villian): Okay, I see what your views are on him. They make sense to me, I'll give you that.
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You still look suspicious in my eyes though, so if I were you, I would try and make that better. (and be a little less aggressive too)
Suspicion why? Yes, I have read your previous posts. Yes, I'm still asking this question.

I didn't know stopping to answer your questions was scummy, especially when NO ONE HAD FUCKING POSTED on our spat at that time. 
Seems I didn't word that clearly enough. To clarify: Didn't see motivation to find scum in the post where you voted ActionDan. Then didn't see this motivation in the reasoning you gave for that one post that initially got you voted (the fluffy one at RVS' end). The fact that you chose to use your time to respond to me instead of looking at the rest of the game is not something I see as scummy; it's something I might have done myself, as town. I see it as completely neutral.

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No, look at your entire 121 and tell me it's not just copied.  The only thing you added was an advice remark to Job and Dan, and that's it.  What it's fine now since Pesco said it and you give him credit?  Then what in the fuck is the point if you're reposting  JUST to make so fucking noise?
Argh, the reason it's driving me up the wall is that your case on me is built on "Schezo made noise and nothing else" and then you proceed to make a post that mirrors this and screams hypocrisy to my ears.  It's why it's bothering me so much that your backing it up. 
It's not just copied (:V), which you will notice if you take a close look.
That's not the point, though. You're saying my case on you is built on "Schezo made noise and nothing else", but somehow fail to see that it's specifically the "nothing else" part that I see as scummy. I thought I explicitly made that clear multiple times, but it seems I didn't. In short: If that post of mine you linked was my only one, I would have pretty much been guilty of the same thing I accused you of. But, somehow, it wasn't.

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I taking from this, you're only looking at the logical aspects of the game and it has to be cut and dry, townie does this scum does that.  I don't think you're taking into account grey areas and exceptions which are always bound to come up in this game.
I work with probabilities. But yes, I prefer to rely on the logical aspects and the intent I can read out of them, where possible. I am taking into account all the shades of gray I can see, though.

Anyway. You've started to actually do things now. Not exactly liking how the probing others vs responding to others' cases on you is still tilted towards the latter, but since you were today's first huge wagon, I guess that's kind of to be expected, hence for the time being neutral; my view of this may change depending on how you act D2+. Which is to say you're no longer the one I want to dismember the most.

##Unvote

Dislike Omba right now. The way he's attacking Schezo doesn't look like the way a townie method of pushing a case to me - he's not trying to convince other people that Schezo is scum, he's trying to convince Schezo that Schezo is scum and forcing Schezo to turtle in response. Pressuring townies into focusing only on defending themself instead of hunting scum makes sense as a scum ploy.
Uh. It also makes sense if what you're trying to do is get someone to proof his actions don't make him scum, then see if his explanations look town or not. And how is continuing to attack anything I see as in need of getting attacked a scum trait? What would you have me do instead?

I do not like how you only invoked meta for PX but disregard everyone else's meta.
Have you used meta for anyone besides Schezo so far? In your posts, that is.

Because I don't find him actively suspicious at the moment. I'll give him a deeper reread on D2.
Because I haven't really read his posts in-depth yet. Getting onto that in D2.
Do not like. If you plan to re-read his posts, that means you haven't done so enough to form a good opinion of him.
If you haven't done that, how the fuck do you plan to make a good decision on whom to lynch today. The fuck.

Schezo is loud, Schezo gets pressured, Schezo screams like a little girl, so let's not lynch the guy who was voted for being a lurker and stopped lurking, and instead vote someone who actually is.
Lynching a null-to-scum Lurker Day 1 would be just so ~novel~ I could get behind it if the people on him weren't making me twitch. Maybe that'll change. The day, she is still early. My vote, she screams to go where my GUT! feels something is out of place.
I'd rather lynch PX then either of them. No, not because he wants to wagon me, because I can't remember anything he's said today. It took me a minute to remember what his last post was.
What changed? I see you seem to have changed your opinion of Pesco at least somewhat. If your case on PX is he's lurking (I assume that's what you've meant here), does that mean there's no one else you'd like to kill more than the lurker (like Pesco before you changed your opinion of him)?
Also, please note that this post of mine exists.


Now that that stuff is out of the way...

##Vote PX

Why hello thar Schezo#2. Lolcase on Dan doesn't cut it. Let's find things others have said about Shadoweh and make a case out of it doesn't cut it either. What little effort I'm seeing from you has not been spent on doing actually useful things. I'm not fond of lynching lurkers D1. I do like lynching lurkers that behave like you do. Posting for the sake of posting is a surefire way to get your head ripped off by me.

Would lynch Dan if PX magically died before the day ended. Don't want to lynch Villain999 today anymore.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #255 on: October 08, 2011, 04:33:03 PM »
Just got on. Going to take me a while to read through all this, but if anyone has some urgent questions for me right now, go ahead.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #256 on: October 08, 2011, 05:11:54 PM »
For fucks sake guys, stop doing this. And don't ask people to ask you unspecified questions in this manner. Ever.

Oh btw, that town read thing aka short list of people who's lynch I'd violently oppose:
Pesco, Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #257 on: October 08, 2011, 05:41:43 PM »
Dan is scum because:

First vote on PX was a crappy one. I talked about it in #95. The subsequent posting that mentions PX just continues to be parrot and dry flinging.

Second vote on Dormio came later than it appears. By that I mean Dan posted a bit in response to other people before deciding to vote
Dormio. Since Dormio says he was reiterating in #172, I reckon Dan could justifiably have responded to Dormio's vote much earlier than that. Like before Bard voted Dormio.

Brief recap here of Dan's voting pattern. Second vote on PX and Dormio. The second vote is a relatively safe spot on the wagon in theory.  He's not the first vote, so he doesn't take the flak for starting the wagon if they flip town. It's not near the end when people start raising the standard for vote backing. He's made rather washy reasons that might have gone unnoticed had he not been called out for them from his first vote.

Third vote on me was a plain OMGUS. Just before Dan made this vote, there was a supposed reread coming. You can go all gung-ho onto me, but where's that big reread gone? Forgotten in the heat of the moment or ditched while the diversion gets sprung? Back to the first point of the vote; 'Pesco was being lazy, therefore scum'. Even when I'm being lazy I've done plenty more than you have when you're active. Same shit-flinging as you've been doing all along since you don't show us how an instance of me not checking the details equates to me being scum.

The second point of Dan's vote got refuted by PX and myself in #202 and #203 respectively. I take responsibility for my actions and it just shows how desperate Dan was to have anything to puff up his vote that he tries to discredit the discussion that generated from my Schezo vote.

Now read over his latest posts. Where are Dan's suspects for scum? Only the people who vote him. If he was making valid points it would be cool. But that's not happening.

PX's voting has been all round jump on whoever catches his eye last. It's bad/silly play but it's at least original to himself. I don't find him scummy today because DotS meta. PX is more like Dormio v.2 to me. They're quite straightforward about their feelings and thoughts, PX less obvious than Dormio. My view of PX is that he's being this useless because he doesn't have anything to hide. There's no fancy role to try and stay alive to use, so just wing it.

Of the 4 votes on PX Bard's one is backed with real intent to lynch (1). Shadoweh was made as a prod (0). JOB was trying to look like he has something when he doesn't (0.5). Omba's PX revote looks disjointed without a recap of the initial PX-vote reasons (0.5). Intent to lynch value here: 2

Dan's got my vote (worth a whole 1), Hero's vote (worth 1 as well because Hero has been on this guy from early on and has stayed on his ass the whole time), Dormio's vote (pretty outdated but I also don't see anything scummy about Dormio's actions thus far, worth a 0.5) and PX's vote (worthless). Intent to lynch value here: 2.5

Basically half the people on PX aren't feeling that strong on getting him to hang. On the other hand, Dan is cornered scum.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #258 on: October 08, 2011, 05:54:43 PM »
We have 8 hours from this point on. If we're gonna lynch, we'd better get our asses in gear altogether and stat, before Keine-tan rando-lynches. And no one wants to hand Town's ONLY weapon against scum to a hateful, spiteful bot.

PX being Dormio v2 to you makes me ;_; because I also want to lynch Dormio. Reading Dan now to see if I can get behind a Dan wagon.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #259 on: October 08, 2011, 06:13:11 PM »
Pesco: No recap of the reasons for my initial vote on PX because they're directly linked to the ones for my second vote. "Posting for the sake of posting is a surefire way to get your head ripped off by me" applies in both cases.

You got me to take another look at Dan and PX. In light of your analysis, Dan does actually look a lot more definitive scummy.
I initially did not take a closer look at his OMGUS on you because I read it as Dan being Dan and hence overlooked the other shit associated with it.

##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan


Also, this action of Pesco's cements my town read on him, regardless of Dan's flip.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #260 on: October 08, 2011, 06:48:53 PM »
Draw agreed.

##Unvote
##Vote Hero999

I'll be here for another 3 hours, then I have to play another game, and I'm very likely to miss deadline.

I think both Hero999 and PX are bad, but I think PX has more genuine feeling in his vote on me than Hero (Oddly enough, I am in agreement with Pesco here).   If I am to use Omba's phrase, Hero is more "definitively scummy" than PX.   After Obvscum Pesco, I think Dormio is a better lynch than both Hero and PX.  The Hero and PX wagons should consolidate, because the people on them to my knowledge are not interested in lynching me.  If Hero doesn't pick up votes soon, I'll switch over to PX.

If there's one thing I'm going do before dying, It's make a Pesco case.  Oh, and my vote on you is not "refuted" at all.  I'll get to that.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #261 on: October 08, 2011, 07:16:43 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (0):
Schezo (1): BT
Serela (0):
ActionDan (5): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX, Omba
PX (3): Shadoweh,  JOB, Bardiche
Hero999 (3): Schezo, huh what, ActionDan
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not Voting: Serela

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~6.5 hours (watch countdown)

ActionDan is at L-2
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A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #262 on: October 08, 2011, 07:19:14 PM »
Uh. It also makes sense if what you're trying to do is get someone to proof his actions don't make him scum, then see if his explanations look town or not. And how is continuing to attack anything I see as in need of getting attacked a scum trait? What would you have me do instead?
Main problem is that you seemed convinced of scum!Schezo after you switched your vote, and most of the pressure after that looks like noise that was just cornering somebody into turtling when they had already done most of what they could do to explain themself. It wasn't actually helping town catch scum, it was just oppressing your target. You should be trying to convince the other players of your case, not your target. Questioning seemed fine to me until after the voteswitch, though.

In other news, I feel obligated to express irritation toward Serela for not having any solid opinions on who is scum with 7 hours left in the day. <_< The only thing close is his stance on PX, but there are more targets than PX right now and I can't tell what his opinions on Hero and Dan are supposed to be. Most notably, I don't think he's said anything about Hero at all.

Cut by weird-looking wagons. I'll switch to PX if necessary, haven't found him very impressive and still think Dan is looking townie. Hero is my preferred lynch regardless.

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #263 on: October 08, 2011, 08:02:56 PM »
Far as I can see on AD, I dislike this initial stint where he encourages looking at Shadoweh like "helpful scum" but chooses not to submit to that route himself. Panic mongering, or helpful case building? I think the former.

A jump on PX with explanation of GUT! and liking Omba's vote. And Omba. And Huh What. And Pesco/Schezo can't be scum together. I don't see anything really terribly wrong beside the jump on PX with what amounts to "what Omba said", and would've liked a stating of personal reasons beyond GUT!, despite PX's light content.

That he does so later on redeems him for me, even though I don't like the meta argument. We're looking for scummy behaviour, not behaviour that differs from a standard MO for players. If the change is scummy, explain it.

His next post is a counter to the Schezo case by clearing Schezo as possible Town, while in the same breath acknowledging he only skimmed Schezo's posts. I dislike the blunt admission of "I haven't read him as close as I could" and clearing him solely on the amount of posts he produces and not the content therein. I happen to think Schezo's content is good that he doesn't smell as scum to me, so I find it strange Dan would cop-out by just using posting frequency.

There's also the pre-emptive "looks like it's either Schezo or me", which doesn't jive with his defence of Schezo... because if it truly were between the two of you, isn't Me Over Not Me the preferred course of action for town?

Bandwagon is spelt thusly, stop it with the double G's, homey.

While he is on PX's case (good!), I dislike the stated reasons, which are meta and speculations that he doesn't support with any arguments to make us see the same "PX trying to 'bandwaggons'" for fun and trying too hard to look Town. From where I sit PX is rather scummy and not in any way does he resemble a Townie. The later speculation that scum!Pesco'd never hyperbus a scum!Schezo by FPMH is downright stupid. It's because you don't expect it to happen that that kind of shit happens, because scum like to avoid detection.

Bad reasoning isn't scummy reasoning, though, and while Dan is not the flying paragon of Townie spirit to me, I also don't think he's scummier than PX.

I do dislike the song and dance he has with voting Pesco, and suddenly now jumping off of PX because "PX feels genuine" after adding on to his case for the rest of the game stating how PX is lying and pretending and being all flavours of scum.

OK, nevermind, I can get behind a Dan lynch.

BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #264 on: October 08, 2011, 08:13:45 PM »
I don't think I understand every last thing that's been going on in the last three pages or so, and despite this I try making a case and not slacking off, something that would probably make me look even worse (slacking off, that is).

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There's not much time left, so I doubt this lynch will go anywhere outside of Dan/PX/Hero. Besides, my opinion on Schezo has improved after a reread or two.

I'm having a really hard time making a case here. I've reread the past few pages a couple of times and still don't have a clear choice for scum. There has been, however, something that really bugged me. Namely, Dan's recent post.

In #199 he makes what others have already explained quite well (and I back them up on that opinion) to be a panic post, or at least something that looks like one. Then, trying to explain that it wasn't a panic post, he tells us how suicidal he is in that he doesn't care anymore and just wants us to lynch Pesco as soon as possible, since he's "obvscum". In fact, he repeats this in a few good posts, including his recent posts. Regarding the actual idea of lynching Pesco-- I'm not really convinced, and I get the feeling most of the others aren't either. But that's not the point I'm making. After already "accepting his fate" and trying to do his best before dying to "put us back on track", he suddenly forgoes all that and lynches Hero for the sole intent (even if he didn't make it clear) of saving himself by changing the lynch. He says that both Hero and PX are bad (without explaining why), then says that both bandwagons should cease from existing, which doesn't make sense aside from a sudden Pesco wagon that won't happen, and then to top it all off JOINS the Hero bandwagon "in the meantime". Why the fuck? If this isn't a result of some kind of panic (which is ALSO a contradiction, this time of the posts he had so far, that begged us to believe he ISN'T panicking), I don't know what to make of that post.

My official vote on Dan is put on hold so he explains what that post was all about, in case I'm somehow misinterpreting something. Also because the last time I joined a bandwagon I got shit in front of my face just for pushing to L-2. What, then, will happen now, when I push to L-1? I think I made myself clear.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #265 on: October 08, 2011, 08:20:58 PM »
OK, nevermind, I can get behind a Dan lynch.
Am I to read this as "I can get behind a Dan lynch, but would still prefer a PX lynch"? Decide, please.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #266 on: October 08, 2011, 08:32:48 PM »
BT: Whether you get bashed for something or not is not what you should base your actions on. It's whether it will benefit town. I do hope you'll be around to actually place your vote before the day ends.
Also, decide. Not liking this wait-and-see at all. To speed things up, I'll explain one part of Dan's post that you appear to be confused about, since it's a simple matter. That he wants the wagons to consolidate means he wants the voters from either of the wagons to switch to the other (so either everyone on PX switches to Villain999, or the other way around). I wonder why you failed to grasp that, though. It should be fairly obvious if not directly, then at least on a closer read. I'm pretty sure you should do a closer read of something that confuses you to the point of holding your vote off.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #267 on: October 08, 2011, 08:33:19 PM »
I'm in the middle of writing a pesco case, but BT, my god.

I'd much rather lynch not-me over me, and the two choices are Hero and PX.  I think both are scummy and viable options.  I think Hero is more scummy than PX, because I have the feeling that there is a chance that PX will flip green and that town would have just lynched absolutely terrible play.  Hero's posting is more concretely scummy and I think his lynch will be more likely to flip red.  Read my ISO for opinions about the both of them.  I'm not asking for both there wagons to disappear.  I'm asking for town to choose one of them as the main counter-wagon.

Bard, don't you dare think I'm letting go of PX.  I thought he was scum early, and carried that impression until he posted.  I can't be sure his recent posts are scummy because I think there is no "scum" foresight in them.   

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #268 on: October 08, 2011, 08:35:41 PM »
So, what, you spent the majority of the Day on someone you thought was scummy and his lackluster posts here now magically absolve him of Prime Suspect status? What is this "scum foresight"?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #269 on: October 08, 2011, 08:35:55 PM »
Bard, don't you dare think I'm letting go of PX.  I thought he was scum early, and carried that impression until he posted.  I can't be sure his recent posts are scummy because I think there is no "scum" foresight in them.

And Pesco is Obvscum.  Thank you serela for the knee-jerk reaction, I'm glad someone can see the light.

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