Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)

[Bardiche]

Attempt to sidedance the issue noted. I asked why you would do nothing with the knowledge bar pointing out we should lynch the towniest looking people. If you've done something else with it, do tell.

"To annoy further" should not be the goal of this game.

[Bardiche]

No, but my problem is not with the two scum 11 townies, it's more the fact that THE MOD TOLD ONE SPECIFIC PLAYER THE SET UP INSTEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE.

Valid point. If K4u did indeed tell Shadoweh and now avoids telling us publicly, either Shadoweh is getting favoured, Shadoweh lied about K4u telling her or Shadoweh is scum.

"Why would I share it as scum?" is WIFOM, and using that as a defence is poor.

[Bardiche]

EBWOP: To clarify the "Shadoweh is scum" point: if there are two scum in this game and nothing more, then it stands to reason scum would be aware of this knowledge.

[Kitten4u]

Dormio (1): Shadoweh
huh what (1): Dormio
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (1): ActionDan
Schezo (2): Pesco, huh what
Serela (2): Serela, Hero999
ActionDan (0):
PX (1): JOB
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (3): Schezo, PX, Bardiche

Not Voting: BT, Omba

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~55 hours (watch countdown)

[Bardiche]

Quad posting is Townie. I can't find anything from K4u in the sign-up thread or this thread stating that it should be common knowledge to know the ratio of Town:Scum, and question why you would even ask for the number of scum AND get a response from K4u, even though she refuses to respond to us now.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Does it really matter what the scum ratio for Vanilla Wafiers is? We're going to know by the time we reach LYLO anyway. I can see further dwelling on this going nowhere fast and making D1 a pain to re-read. Trying to discern Shadoweh's alignment from her foreknowledge is outguessing the mod, which is dumb.

[Kitten4u]

After some discussion with someone outside the game I've decided to confirm that this game is indeed Mountainous.

[BT]

If she really were scum, what kind of good idea would mentioning the ratio and lying that she got it from the host (all intentional from the start) be? I hope I don't have to explain why this is illogical.

I'm not ruling out the possibility, I'm just saying that this isn't a good thing to base a lynch off of.

[BT]

Host = mod. I need to get used to that, I guess.

[Hero999]

@Shadoweh: Modcleared, for correct information, therefore not lying.

@huh what: ...For what reason did you ask [Blank] to vote Pesco?
It was empty. With nothing to clear it.

@Dormio+PX : I must ask, is there a reason for you two to have talked about pudding?

@Serela: I know I did not ask early, but I also need to ask why you voted yourself.

[Shadoweh]

I'm confused why Bard thinks I asked her privately. <.<; She mentioned it on IRC, and it's available if you search for vanilla mafia on the wiki, it's why she considered it public knowledge in the first place. Your attack is pretty much what I expected actually, from an upset townie. See, good information already.

Huh whatty, it matters because it means scum are vastly outnumbered and for at least this day will get a marginal say on what we do. As odd as that is, today is the best day for us, as a town, to make our own townie lynching decision.

BT, since you've said before you have some mafia experience, I'll ask what your take on everyone that's posted so far is and expect you to answer. This is introduction to the group time, don't be shy. We all bite. ..Wait.

Hero, if I'd been claiming what I had as scum, the mod would have had to tell everyone anyways just to clear up the confusion. It's not suposed to be a secret. ^^;

[ActionDan]

Hero, (Villian isn't as catchy)

Could you explain to me how Shadoweh is Modcleared?  What if she's just being "helpful" scum?

I do think that going out of her way like that is something I could see myself doing as town.

[Hero999]

To clarify, I what I mean by modcleared is the information about # of scum.

[BT]

There's not really much to warrant a full "comment on everyone" post at this point. Hell, I think the only thing that even mildly caught my eye was the whole mess around the ratio. I think Bard might have been a bit TOO accusing (a bit too much), but that's no grounds for lynching either, as it could have easily just been an honest belief that Shadoweh's scum.

And no, Shadoweh has not been modcleared. All the mod interference did was prove that she was telling the truth about this whole ratio thing, nothing more. I GUESS you could conclude that, because she even asked the mod, she didn't know the ratio and therefore isn't scum, but that might just be assuming too much. Although, if we have to cling to it in the future, I guess I wouldn't oppose.

[BT]

By the way, yeah, I'm experienced in mafia, but I think this is my third(?) NOC game, so don't think I'm some kind of expert. ?_?

[Pesco]

Valid point. If K4u did indeed tell Shadoweh and now avoids telling us publicly, either Shadoweh is getting favoured, Shadoweh lied about K4u telling her or Shadoweh is scum.

I agree with this enough to policy lynch Shadoweh at LyLo. And I want the mod to confirm the exact numbers. As far as the rest of this goes, it's a null tell on day 1.

Hero your clear of Shadoweh is Tbax-bad.

Still think Schezo is scum. Mindhax and that he's coasting.

[Hero999]

Alright, I'll state it even more clearly
I do not believe Shadoweh to be modcleared.
I believe the information about # of scum to be mod cleared.

@BT: I feel as if your just throwing things out but not really considering them to be possible. Is there a reason for this other then lack of content around?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

RE: Hero: It was RVS past midnight and I was bored and wanted to try to make something happen. Don't think it matters at this point.

RE: Shadoweh: I'm not saying it's something you shouldn't have brought up, just that it's not worth dwelling on to the extent people have been doing. Our goal is still to lynch scum regardless of how many there are.

Schezo is still the only person who bugs me right now. Everybody else is just kind of squabbling. I think we should talk less until more people have contributed, because in this set-up it's pretty easy for scum to coast through a noisy D1 by not having a large presence.

[BT]

Yes, there hasn't exactly been a lot going on up to now, so I was noting possibilities with or without believing them.

[Serela]

People who asked:I voted myself because for the past few days I've been in an unstable state of mind and I was just like "My jokevote... it must go on me." It was just a thing my mind said must happen.

My mind also said I had to recite The Itsy Bitsy Spider. I wasn't exactly thinking clearly!

But anyway, with some mental endeavors to control my line of thought today away from the issues plaguing me, at the moment I'm in a normal (For me) point again! So time for sum MAFIERS.

##unvote

I'd be okay setting my vote on Schezo for the moment for, as people have said, coasting. I'd try to do a little more then blatantly say exactly what other people said about him but that's sort of impossible. :V

My mind is telling me, though, to vote Bardiche. It's because of all his going after the Shadoweh because of the shenanigans this game has been hooked on for a little while. Logic part of my mind tells me it makes sense for town to do this, but my gut says "nooooo this is something to look at blah blah blah".

If I try to combine the logic with the gut I come up with "Scum seeing this as a good opporitunity to push a Shadoweh lynch without actually having to scumhunt". I don't know if the logic part of my brain agrees with this 100% yet but, seeing as the only other thing I have to go on at the moment would be "Schezo is coasting", I think this is good enough for an ED1 vote.

##Vote Bardiche

My personal opinion on Shadoweh is I don't want to let this shenanigan stuff be included in my opinion of her at all and therefore I have no opinion of her yet.

[PX]

I do think that going out of her way like that is something I could see myself doing as town.

Which makes scum also likely to do that as well because it's seen as being a town action, so all this is just going to WIFOM territory.

EDIT: Cut by 3 people??? Could have sworn I hit post....

[PX]

BT, day 1 doesn't allow you to relax with your options. We're getting close to 24 hours off and we still haven't gotten far. It would be much better using your vote and getting people to talk. Like Schezo.

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo

[Omba]

Yes, let's jump that wagon...

##Vote PX

What exactly do you want to hear from Schezo / why do you want to specifically get him to talk? There's a few other players that haven't posted since he did and unlike him, they're currently getting less or no flak at all, so I'd assume there's a reason. Given that you didn't think it likely Pesco's initial vote on Schezo was serious, I'd further assume you at that point didn't see anything of note in Schezo's post that preceded it. And Schezo hasn't made any new posts since then, so... Why the vote now?

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Answerstuff in like 2 hours.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm awake, I'm awake.

I only have one mode when it comes to mafia. All Drunk. all the time.

Anyway.

Bard: I have done something with it. To annoy you further I'll ask why as scum I would share this information at all.

I love waking up to some delicious WIFOM.

I GUESS you could conclude that, because she even asked the mod, she didn't know the ratio and therefore isn't scum, but that might just be assuming too much. Although, if we have to cling to it in the future, I guess I wouldn't oppose.

But then I have to vwondre wath the ehll this is.

##Unvote]
##Vote BT[/b[

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm awake, I'm awake. And now typing properly.

I only have one mode when it comes to mafia. All Drunk. all the time.

Anyway.

Bard: I have done something with it. To annoy you further I'll ask why as scum I would share this information at all.

I love waking up to some delicious WIFOM.

I GUESS you could conclude that, because she even asked the mod, she didn't know the ratio and therefore isn't scum, but that might just be assuming too much. Although, if we have to cling to it in the future, I guess I wouldn't oppose.

But then I have to wonder what the hell this is.

##Unvote
##Vote BT

[BT]

Are you lynching me because I'm bad at wording things? Or because I implied something I wasn't aware of?

If it's the former: Basically, if that convo existed (which the mod might have just proved), then we know that Shadoweh was genuinely clueless about the ratio, w

[BT]

...which means that she's not scum because she would otherwise know about the ratio.

Don't know how that got cut off.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

To expand on what I said: I dislike both Shadoweh and BT right now.

Shadoweh is doing this thing where she's posting but not really adding any content.
You accuse me of generating noise when you pull this weird setup crap.

As for BT, BT is also doing that thing where he doesn't make any cases, instead arguing about the things that Shadoweh brought up.
In addition, he defends Shadoweh as shown in that quote I put in the earlier post.

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And cut by BT doing that thing where he defends Shadoweh once more.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
And again. Why do all you people insist on giving me this WIFOM in the morning?

[BT]

Well, what's wrong with making clear a possible modclearing? If it makes me look like scum, sure, I can just let it slide next time.

And like I said earlier, I don't play traditional mafia a lot, so I wouldn't necessarily know if I'm acting scummy or not. And I don't know what "making any cases" means.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Who do you think is scum, and why?