Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!

[capt. h]

Things that both me:

The Huh What death. Frankly, I was ready to lynch him today, and I'm having trouble seeing the scum benefit in killing him. So I started rereading the players he wanted to vig (YJ, Dormio, Bard).

I still think Bard is town.

I still think Dormio is suspicious. He was the only town read Action Dan had that was a viable town wagon on day 1 (Serela, Polaris, Huh What, and Shadoweh, his scum reads, all flipped not scum). Dormio also had a neutral town read on Dan. Interestingly, he went with the Dan was scum interpretation of events yesterday and voted Shadoweh instead, settling for the role stuff yesterday being sufficient to kill Dan. Uses Dan a lot in his cases and discusses player's reaction to Dan, but doesn't talk about Dan himself much except with the occasional quick read.

He thought Dan was scum, agreed with Bardiche's case on Dan, saw the start of day stuff as black and white, and voted Shadoweh using a different case while ignoring the player for the most part.

I want YJ talking. I think the only case he has made this game is on Action Dan. I really don't know what to make of him right now.

[Hero999]

Bard IS town, hes friggin vanilla for fucks sakes.

[Bardiche]

Bard IS town, hes friggin vanilla for fucks sakes.

... You investigated me, and your result is "vanilla"?

[Hero999]

You want the full name?
Moerin Moeyama (Magical Moerin), Non-magical Vanilla

[Bardiche]

The strange part is that I'm NOT vanilla. PX confirmed for lying son of a bitch.

[Bardiche]

The strange part is that I'm NOT vanilla. PX confirmed for lying son of a bitch.

To clarify, I am informed Townie. I think it's a bit unfair to state to Rolecops that I'm "Vanilla", as clearly I have something. My information is that Akemi Homura possesses the ability "Time Stop". Which is why I kept talking about it so much and quite literally stated it.

IF an Akemi Homura is in the game I am thinking she is a roleblocker but obviously she's not going to claim.

Functional vanilla, as I said. I've been given nothing to work with in a game of role madness; PX clearly thought it clever to hand me the short end of the stick in a role madness game again.

[Chaore]

...Wait. So hold on, you're telling me Hero is lying about his result?

What the fuck is going on here.

[Hero999]

...Wait. So hold on, you're telling me Hero is lying about his result?

What the fuck is going on here.

...
Why do you twist BASTARD MOD PX into LYING HERO

[Chaore]

No, Sorry, I think I got what you meant.

So you're an informed townie who's called a vanilla?

...
Why do you twist BASTARD MOD PX into LYING HERO

I thought Bard meant his rolename WAS informed Townie, not that's what he was.

[Bardiche]

Yes, I'm an Informed Townie who, apparently, shows as Vanilla to rolecops. The name is correct and the non-Magical part is also correct. There's no "vanilla" in my rolename as I received it, but I understand why that's omitted: my literal rolename was I received it is non-Magical Townie. And that I have a passive ability.

So PX is a goddamn lying mod. Fantastic.

I AM curious why Hero decided to investigate me. I had no indication Hero thought I was scummy before then.

[Hero999]

Well...I got scared alright?
I fell for Dan's "needed to get in it before bardiche." Too much fear of bussing tactics >_<

I forgot that you claimed somewhere that you were pretty much a functional vanilla and got suspicious.

[Bardiche]

I need to roll that around in my head a bit. Rolecopping me makes more sense for a scum!Hero from my point of view than a town!Hero, but both assumptions rely on WIFOM. I'll make reading you my top priority - this new information is too valuable.

Did anyone ever claim being roleblocked?

[Hero999]

Serial Killer - Shadoweh did.

[Chaore]

And she probably was, given Dan flipped as the roleblocker.

[Bardiche]

Right, that explains why no one blocked Hero.

The major question I have here is why scum suffered a rolecop to live over a vigilant who was already under a certain degree of suspicion. Or at least, I suspected Huh What and all and would've definitely pushed him today.

Mrf. Need read. Post later.

[Rikter]

Okay posting on desktop because I cannot go into my room while the window is being boarded up.

On that note, Rikter, why would you place ActionDan at L-1 so early into the day?

Because I honestly felt like they were the best lynch for town at that time and was asked to place a vote earlier by capt. h

I wasn't entirely sure of what to think about Hero's callout of shadoweh's role but I didn't think it looked good regardless.

Chaore wanting Hero dead after claiming Shadoweh as SK seems odd seeing as Hero was correct.

[WHMZakeri]

FoS:Hero999 the last thing we need is to figure out how the Scum can prevent further nightkill blocks.
Also, please try not to use Role ability to substitute alignment.  You should not be using it to say things like "Chaore is scum for trying to lynch the rolecop." I wanted to yell at Chaore yesterday for trying to wait for proof of HW's role when having a daykill would not prove anything other than the victim's alignment. I'd still be angry if HW hadn't magically flipped town this morning.

YJ needs to give a town reason for why Dan dying means he has to play better from now on, because I can think of a good scum reason for that pattern.

since HW isn't scum, I guess I'll actually have to go back and reread Dormio. Did he actually give an explanation for why he went after NeoSerela of Shadoweh?

Cut: Shadoweh's confirmed post did look to me like she was reacting to bastard moddery which had to have come from her role pm. That was the simplest explanation I found that allowed me to jokevote for her. I'm surprised it turned out true. The Polaris thing was a fluke, though.
I would have had more of a Day 2 presence, except most of day 2 happened while I was asleep. I went to bed just after my post, and woke up to the night.

Cut again: whoa. I need to stop taking breaks, or something.
Is there any confirmable reason why Bardiche would show up as Vanilla townie? Or are we just going to leave it at "dammit, PX" this time?
Also, Dan was the roleblocker.

List of rereads I need to make when I wake up tomorrow: Hero, YJ, and Dormio.
Choare still feels town to me.

[capt. h]

Because I honestly felt like they were the best lynch for town at that time and was asked to place a vote earlier by capt. h

Don't misrepresent me. Although I did ask you to post your scum picks a second time on day 2, I did not ask you to vote yesterday. I only asked you to vote the day before, when we needed to secure the lynch.

Normally as long as players aren't put at L-2 at this phase of the game everything is fine, but it's easier to simply remember not to vote before the 48 hour mark for the rest of the game. Especially in Lylo. Voting anyone before all the facts come out will become suicide if we hit Lylo, so do not vote in Lylo before 48 hours pass.

Anyway, I have the same question for you that I've had yesterday and the day before. Who do you think is scum?



On reread I notice that Zak didn't acknowledge Action Dan's "clear" and pushed for a Huh What lynch yesterday, while pretty much ignoring Dan. I find you suspicious for it, so I'd like to know why you never said anything about the fake clear, nor did you give a read on Dan. I would also like to point out that Bardiche showed up as a Non-magical Vanilla, not a Vanilla Townie.

[Hero999]

Zakeri I'm not understanding at the moment. Your telling me to not use role to substitute as alignment. However I do not understand what you mean by "figure out how the scum can prevent further nightkill blocks". As from what I know scum at the moment had the only roleblock. So what are you trying to say here?

I do not understand your reason for supporting a lynch on me. Is trying to substitute role for alignment that much of a scum tell to you?
That is all I can gleam from what your trying to get me lynched for. I see no other reason that you have said that warranted a FoS. What is your point?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

He thought Dan was scum, agreed with Bardiche's case on Dan, saw the start of day stuff as black and white, and voted Shadoweh using a different case while ignoring the player for the most part.

I think you're forgetting about the part where we had more than one lynch that day.
ActionDan was going to get lynched, so I wanted to push Shadoweh as the alternate lynch.

Anyway, @Chaore #476:
I like how you just blow off the main point of what I was trying to say, the fact that you were trying to defend ActionDan. I find it scummy how you were the one that pressed for ActionDan's claim and then were the one that tried to hold onto for the longest time. Is that enough for you? You try to wave away the fact that you did this by simply stating that you "were wrong"
The second point I will concede. Roll to Dodge destroys any semblance of literacy I have.
So basically, your reason for Hero is scum is because he did something that he admitted was wrong, and your reason for why you are not scum for defending ActionDan was because you were wrong?

And since you asked:

He wasn't trying to off the Serial Killer at first because he thought she'd be 'Useful'. Please tell me how that is anything but the scummiest fucking thing that has ever been typed in Mafia.

Because I did the exact same thing in Zombie Apocalypse. ^^;

[Hero999]

At the Moment, only 3 claimed people are alive
Me - Rolecop
Dormio - Bulletproof Zombie
and Bard - Information dude. With something about a Akemi Homura.

[Hero999]

Oh oh I just remembered something Chaore.

You are accusing me of being scum, because I was withholding the information that Shadoweh was serial killer.
Then tell me, WHEN would have been a good time to expose her. Right at the start of the day? At the end of the day? D3?
You made this case as a trap there was NO good time in which I would be able to talk about getting shadoweh lynched due to the fact that no matter when I talk about her being SK, exposing shadoweh WILL lead to calling me as scum due to "He was taking advantage of the rule and using it to get a wildcard killed"

Sly are you not?

Also, if I was scum, why would I have piled on ActionDan rather then making everyone focus on SHADOWEH SK from the start? Your logic is seriously flawed.

[Chaore]

@Dormio: uh hold on a second

No. Really, you're calling me scum because I asked the guy who said he had the ability to confirm he was town to use that ability, stating exactly why if he was town that was probably helpful? You're labeling that -defending- even? ARE YOU RETARDED? I am for once in my life seriously asking that question. That's not a defense dormio, that's literally something more people should've been telling Dan to do. No, It's not retarded to ask someone to prove their claim, especially when the information could be fucking important! As it stands it was a fake, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT, why is that actually scummy.

Your bit about me holding onto it longer than everyone else is uh... Weird? It's not really the best proof in the word honestly. Yes, I didn't completely disregard information when it was popular to completely disregard information. Please do not act like it was blindingly obvious before it actually was and I was holding to such god damn lengths for the confirmation.

Nice to see you generalizing my case into 'HERO DID SOMETHING HE ADMITTED WAS WRONG, YOU DID THAT TOO!'. Wrong. I was factually wrong about what was happening. Hero was literally doing something that is literally something town plain does not do. You're literally acting like 'It's fine, he apologized right?'. These are two VERY different wrongs, Dormio.

@Hero: ...?

I'm sorry, really? Are you trying to make my case into some magical rubix cube of 'screw hero over at every turn'? It's...not? You're also heavily misunderstanding everything to come to this conclusion as well. Wow.

You didn't have to go 'SHADOWEH IS SERIAL KILLER, LYNCH!', but the moment you knew she was a serious threat to town you should've put serious attention into getting her lynched, and instead you just threw a vote at the confirmed scum and went hiding to avoid talking. You should've tried to gather SOME attention to her rather than just sitting on ActionDan.

I love how you're trying to go 'BUT I VOTED ACTION DAN THIS TOTALLY MEANS I CAN'T BE SCUM'. You really are getting desperate. Bussing is always a possibility, especially when your scumbuddy is -literally caught by a god damn public reveal cop-. That's the absolute perfect time to throw down a meaningless vote on your scum partner. If anything it also rather hurts as you were able to and did actually mostly ride it out wordless until you swapped to Shadoweh.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

No. Really, you're calling me scum because I asked the guy who said he had the ability to confirm he was town to use that ability, stating exactly why if he was town that was probably helpful? You're labeling that -defending- even? ARE YOU RETARDED? I am for once in my life seriously asking that question. That's not a defense dormio, that's literally something more people should've been telling Dan to do. No, It's not retarded to ask someone to prove their claim, especially when the information could be fucking important! As it stands it was a fake, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT, why is that actually scummy.

The asking itself, I don't really care about so much, it's when it's in combination with you using his claim to state that Dan is probably confirmed, yes, I believe it was defending Dan.

Ugh, whatever. I'm confused and I'll reread all this when I get back from uni or something.
Also, Youkai Jesus: Post where?
Rikter where?
Hate everything.

[WHMZakeri]

Capt: I didn't say anything on Dan because it seemed like a sure thing he'd be lynched. I'd probably have been more vocal if I thought he was town, and I might have thought he was town if his self-confirmation post had green text in it. There was no green or bold in the entire post, so I disregarded the entire thing as flavor. Besides, I was actually waffling on Shadoweh at the time, and I was hoping to push him ahead as the tertiary lynch (or at least far enough that he flipped with Shadoweh).

Hero: The helping scum with their NK bit was in reference to when you listed where all of the night kills went. It seemed to be an invite for people to think hard about why the scum nightkill failed, which isn't something town benefits from.
Also, "scumtell" isn't the right word since it implies no context is needed. When your only line of defense is "But I can do neat things." and even worse, when your only line of attack is "Why do you want me to stop doing neat things?" it completely misses the point of the game, which is asking "Who's trying to destroy the town?" Your case on Chaore is not a case on scum, because it's not a case made with scumhunting. Someone who tries to push a case without scumhunting is anti-town at best.

What is with your obsession for roleclaims? Did you have a reason for posting 500?
Also, to answer your 501: Bussing and Wifom. The only way you're going to convince me you might not be scum is if you start making cases on people outside of using OMGUS.

[WHMZakeri]

Edit: by "to push him ahead" I'm referring to Huh what.

[WHMZakeri]

The asking itself, I don't really care about so much, it's when it's in combination with you using his claim to state that Dan is probably confirmed, yes, I believe it was defending Dan.

Dormio, do you really think scum at that point in time would be trying to pull Dan out of the confirmed scum zone? I know scum had that fake self confirming message thing, but I think it was pretty much reruns of the Magic School Bus, there. Chaore defending Dan probably makes him more town.

[Hero999]

Well this determines things for me.
The difference of copping scum and copping town is like heaven and hell.
Copping scum? Get praised.
Copping town? Get lynched.

This is exactly how it feels to me at the moment.
However, I need to ask this. Who are you to decide who to lynch at the moment? At this Point I rather Bard settle it with his straight up own opinion. I don't care about any of the rest of you.
Also, everytime someone has said "The only way you're going to convince me you might not be scum is if you start making cases on people outside"
This never happens. From what I've seen, No matter what I make you will likely go for me anyways.

The post of NK? I felt it was plausible information to check with. Is that seriously so wrong?
Also Zakeri, what happened to your pursuit of Bard? It was dropped so quickly I didn't even see when you just jumped to someone else.

Also Chaore, so your case on me is the fact that I did not throw suspicion upon Shadoweh when I knew she was SK? Is that all? This feels more like an attack on my personally then a case. If its not an attack on my Personality, then its clearly an attack on the difference of opinion. Also, I like how you say "its not something town will do" is set in stone. This makes it feel more like a difference in opinion then a case.

Also let me state something then. Scum like riding things out and not draw attention. You state this "If anything it also rather hurts as you were able to and did actually mostly ride it out wordless until you swapped to Shadoweh."

Explain to me for what reason did I need to swap to Shadoweh if I was scum. Would I have not just shut up and let you guys do all the work? You explain to me for what reason I had to vote Shadoweh if it would draw attention to myself.

[PX]

"If a king is not content with his own kingdom, he is a weak ruler. A weak ruler is a worse king to have than a tyrant!?

I AM THE KING!

The Twenty First Royal Votecount!
Bardiche (2) - Hero999, Chaore

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in ~48 hours.

[PX]

Youkai Jesus has been modkilled and force replaced with Lady Lambdadelta starting now. Proceed as normal.