Author Topic: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!  (Read 89315 times)

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #330 on: September 18, 2011, 04:02:05 AM »
Let's see. I've suggested Dormio is scum.
Dormio is bulletproof.
Who could I possibly think the bulletproof piercing vig is for. HMM.

That's not why I believe him though. More it's because scum has no reason to take a risk to try and stop Dan's lynch right now. And as a Town Vig I would expect them to come forward with information that could put the night's results into question. A scum Hitman isn't a rare role for a shenanigans game.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

PX

  • School Idol?
  • *
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #331 on: September 18, 2011, 04:08:22 AM »
As the remaining magical girls ran around talking hysterically in an effort to figure out how one of their own came to meet such an awful and fatal end, the same rabbit that announced Polaris' death suddenly emitted a light

As the light grew in intensity, it seemed to share a conduit between the rabbit and a particularly coquettish magical girl.

ActionDan's pretty face lit up with such a warm glow that not one of the awed magical girls could mistake the identity of the renowned Pretty Sammy, alias of trusted good-doer Sasami Kawai.

The rabbit smiled a wry smile.

"Such power costs everyone, even one as purely innocent as yourself."

With those words the once bright light faded and changed to a purple hue before completely disappearing all together.  ActionDan swooned and fell pretty face first unto the ground.

"Are you Okay?"

"Yes... I just feel... drained."

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #332 on: September 18, 2011, 04:14:41 AM »
So we know now ActionDan is Sasami Kawai. Trusted good-doer, does that mean we have to assume he's Town?

Capt H, your theory falls flat given that Huh What claimed vigging Dormio. So scum must've killed Polaris... except Polaris couldn't be killed except if ActionDan were killed due to the Hiding mechanic.

So.

A) Scum Roleblocked Polaris and killed him, PX is a lying mod for saying Polaris hid in ActionDan's heart.
B) Polaris died due to hiding in ActionDan's heart, and his 'confirm' role means PX will lie to Town for him, ergo PX is a lying mod.
C) Scum can ignore Polaris' hide abilities, which means his power doesn't work as advertised, and PX is still a lying mod.

So. Can anyone come up with a situation in which PX is NOT a lying mod, so that the following is true and Dan isn't scum?

A) Polaris hid in ActionDan's heart.
B) Polaris dies only when his target dies, or he targets scum.
C) ActionDan can trade in mystery ability for a mod confirm of alignment, and that alignment is Town.

Gogogo.

Chaore

  • Kai Ni Recipient Many Years Late
  • *
  • You Finally Did It, Kadokawa.
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #333 on: September 18, 2011, 04:23:22 AM »
@Bard: It's simpler than that. This is egregiously silly, and something that should get PX banned from mafia forever is going on, but I think at this point we need to admit B is completely and utterly false. Scum or someone else had the ability to bypass Polaris' protection, Polaris just didn't actually know that.

Or maybe he did, given he mentioned he was still hiding something at the end of the day, iirc. If it's something about how he could die, I could see him hiding that. Unfortunately, it didn't do much good to saving him.

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #334 on: September 18, 2011, 04:24:15 AM »
Scum had a hitman shot? I'm not sure how the existance of a hitman would make PX a lying mod.

It would make sense for scum to use a strongman kill on Polly during N1 as an attempt to confirm a townie as scum, actually.

PX

  • School Idol?
  • *
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #335 on: September 18, 2011, 04:29:15 AM »
"With kindness comes na?vet?. Courage becomes foolhardiness. And dedication has no reward. If you can't accept any of that, you are not fit to be a magical girl."

Sixteenth Puella Magi Votecount!
ActionDan (2) - Hero999, Bardiche, Youkai Jesus

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in ~69.5 hours.

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #336 on: September 18, 2011, 04:36:29 AM »
Scum had a hitman shot? I'm not sure how the existance of a hitman would make PX a lying mod.

It would make sense for scum to use a strongman kill on Polly during N1 as an attempt to confirm a townie as scum, actually.

A Hider actually makes himself immune unless the guy he's hiding in got lol'd. It works like a Commuter, from what I understand: you're simply Not There, you're Elsewhere and can't be targeted. If the scum can bypass this with a kill I'll permit to believe it. tl;dr scum needs a homing shot that doesn't kill the guy Polaris is hiding in to function OR ActionDan is bulletproof as well and only Polaris got dropped as a result. The latter isn't true, so it must be the former. OK. Not getting further with this so uh.

Either way, still need to reread ActionDan. Just making a case for "we shouldn't assume he's Town just because his role makes PX call him a "known good-doer".". He's certainly being a bastard mod from what I know of my role PM, and I don't think him being a lying mod would be too farfetch'd. Either way, I think it's prudent to check ActionDan's actions and not his role for conclusive ideas on whether he's scum or not, because I am certainly not going to let Lol Soft Treestump (not explicitly said you're Town? Then I am NOT taking it as mod-confirmed Town) et in the way here.

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #337 on: September 18, 2011, 04:47:15 AM »
PX: Do we have a 100%, bastard-free guarantee that Dan is aligned with the town?

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #338 on: September 18, 2011, 04:50:39 AM »
huh what: What's your kill flavor?


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #339 on: September 18, 2011, 05:30:20 AM »
huh what: What's your kill flavor?
I wasn't told. I just know the names of my vigs.

PX

  • School Idol?
  • *
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #340 on: September 18, 2011, 05:52:11 AM »
PX: Do we have a 100%, bastard-free guarantee that Dan is aligned with the town?

[Classified Information]

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #341 on: September 18, 2011, 06:40:21 AM »
ActionDan read done! This is verbose.

Let's start with the first post, where he asks Polaris about what he dislikes about Huh What's post. Huh What had, up till then, voted Shadoweh three times, coyly responded it might have a reason and then yeah. It doesn't really feel like honest effort put in which is kinda silly, and the defence of Huh What is notable considering Huh What's defence of ActionDan right presently.

When we get to his second post, I'll note that the first line includes an excuse not to have participated much yet. He did this previous post, too, and there are sixty posts before he makes a first thing that can be considered "putting effort", and even then he apologises for not contributing because he was idling. Clearly, scumhunting is not a big priority for ActionDan. Less Dan, more Action, please. Surest case of Active Lurking if ever I saw one.

There's a big promise of a big case in that second post I linked, but he never makes good on this until the Day is almost done. Obviously I don't need to talk about how this is all convenient for people who don't want to scumhunt, right?

Of particular note I find that he only mentions people who were popular talks at the time and doesn't come forth with anything original. They're literally the people talked about by others with the exception of me. So far he has now skillfully put off touching any of the beginning wagons while being 'there' if they develop by promising reads on the players later. That he waltzes in as the man who'll clear the confusion while STILL only talking about people everyone's a-twitter about further shows no originality. His mention of Chaore mysteriously evaporates and becomes just a one-line toss-away mention that the rest of Chaore's posts are town enough. Was there any reason he wanted to talk about Chaore at all? It seems like bandwagon hop setup to me.

Finally near the end of the day, as I said, he comes forth with who he wants lynched. Coincidentally the same guy he voted AT THE START OF THE GAME just as we left RVS... and the vote was cast with the following:

Quote
This feels like backtracking.   One of your reasons for voting me "Dan overreacting" is highly unoriginal (and as I will explain later, untrue) while the other is an intentional misrep and something that I bet you added to try to give believability to your vote.

Legitimate at the time, but he fails to ever account for anything Polaris does afterwards, and never comes up with the reason "Dan overreacting" is "highly original" or how Polaris is "intentionally misrepping". In fact, this is the very first time he mentions he wants anyone lynched and uh, I want to point out we have less than 20 hours remaining in the day. That's an awful late time to join in with "this is who I want lynched"... and conveniently it's the guy he voted over a triviality.

He only mentions Polaris of his promised bucket list who is still a prominent lynch target and a popular choice. Latches onto what's popular and has now skillfully avoided ever doing anything original beside looking at people others have called scummy.

That he complains about me tacitly agreeing with YJ is strange given how he slammed Polly so hard for "omg intentional misrep". To clarify now: the interesting part would be your response to the matter; Youkai Jesus makes an accurate observation in that you began talking about Chaore doubting Keine and that there was more to it. It was a valid observation and matter to raise, so I thought it interesting to see how you'd respond.

The promise of reads still progresses no further than Polaris, and the Day is almost done. He has done literally nothing so far. Nothing of value.

When he later talks about Huh What, it's a bonafide chainsaw defence of Dormio, and a mention that he disliked Serela. Of course, Serela case is hyped, he says later, whatever that means. Is this the result of 50 hours of holding off on posting, promising reads and playing DotA?

Talking about how he gave capt h a pass for the day is downright laughable if you consider he gave everyone a pass for the day and, outside of finally latching onto Polaris near day's end, he never pursued anyone as being possible scum. Oh wait, he had that stuff on Shadoweh that he never acknowledged her responses on or updated with new information.

In the end he returns to RVS again. Laziness right there, nothing original and nothing from the past 50 hours.

So there. He went through Day 1 casting a vote exactly twice. Once for Chaore over "there must be a reason you used Keine to RVS!", and the second for Polaris because "backtrack and highly unoriginal case on me", which reads more like "Backtrack and OMGUS".

Cut by PX saying he can't guarantee he's not a lying mod. In other words, I see no reason to believe ActionDan's claim, I find him wholly unsupportive of the scumhunt efforts and his Day 2 contributions so far have been MORE OPINIONS LATER and using an ability. The former sounds awfully familiar, and no, I'm not content to wait until 20 hours left in the Day for ActionDan to mire on about RVS.

##Vote ActionDan

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #342 on: September 18, 2011, 06:45:38 AM »
Also, if PX really is a lying mod, then a post-game discussion on what is and is not proper modding etiquette is in order.

TIME TO READ SHADOWEH AND HUH WHAT! Yeah, you two are the most vocal defenders of ActionDan by chainsaw defence, so we're going to examine the possibilities right away.

Would scumteam seriously fall in our lap this easy? I don't tend to believe so, but you gotta work with what you get. Too ridiculous/good to be true doesn't mean it's necessarily false. Throw away logic and kick reason to the curb, let's just look at them.


IF YOU THINK ACTIONDAN IS TRUE AND HONEST TO GOD TOWN, THEN PROVIDE REASONS THAT DON'T INCLUDE ROLES. Note that my case above completely removes the issue of roles from the equation with the exception of discarding ActionDan's role as lolgarbage. If the mod can't decisively call you Town, you're not proven Town. If you really ARE Town, then you've been given the shittiest iteration of Tree Stump I've seen thus far.

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #343 on: September 18, 2011, 06:52:47 AM »
:< Bard, we can't elope if you're going to be like this. Do you need a mechanic?
I'm not defending Dan. I'm defending huh what, get it right. I'm obviously just bussing Dan though so it's okay.
There is still the possiblity that Polaris died against Dan, huh what shot Dormio, and the actual kill failed out there somewhere. I question whether Polaris's target would have been shown at all if he had been shot by scum instead of dying of his natural causes.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #344 on: September 18, 2011, 07:03:15 AM »
Why is it so unlikely Huh What is the scum NK? ): ~*gambits*~ aren't a Bard-only thing.

Look, whether Polaris died by Dan doesn't matter, okay? Just... try to form an actual case on why people are scum instead of hanging yourself up on role shens solely. They can point you towards someone, they're not definite material.

Now are you going to sit on your arse and just talk about possibilities or are you going to display why Huh What is Town and someone else is our nasty scum?

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #345 on: September 18, 2011, 07:24:18 AM »
Bard posts again! ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ Deal with it.

ლ(?ロ?ლ) Hero! After going all "omg role claims!!! rule 13!!" you're not blindly jumping at roles! Please come play again! I liked you when you were talking!  ヽ(;▽;)ノ Do it for rabu and peesu!

ActionDan! Stop disappearing and start contributing! ( ?・‿-)~ lol brb doesn't work as a suitable defence here.

And Shadoweh! You immediately condemned ActionDan here and olev, but I can has more pls? ( ・ω・) Why are you speculating  the Night Kill reason you know better than this. It's just throwing confusion around and a setup that whoever attacked Dormio must've been Town! This is tying yourself to Huh Whatty, y u do dis.

As for Huh Whatty, you said you asked Shadoweh for input on who to shoot. Why Shadoweh in specific, and why should I be so surprised she comes out to immediately argue the Dormio-attacker is Town? ლ(╹◡╹ლ) I don't want to conspiracies but you're making it easy here. Why are you full claiming anyway?! Just "lulz I shot dormio sry" with your reasons would've been enough and yet we get immediate full claim! Using WIFOM to defend yourself against Chaore isn't Townie.

(T▽T) Chaore you are my shining pinnacle of hope here.

> Capt H post
( ゚ Д゚)
Dan you realise Polaris dies if he hides with Scum, meaning no one needs to have "killed" Polaris as he died due to a side-effect of his role? Unless lying mod ofc.

Youkai Jesus you make me go ლ(?ロ?ლ). Please explain your vote and don't just haphazardly swing it around. We need reasons here.


☆〜(ゝ。∂) Pretty pretty princess emoticon spam because whee the above post took all my hardcore serious. I'm still very serious and want this Town to get into ACTION and do stuff rather than twiddle thumbs at this role conundrum. Role madness needs a certain bit of augh my head with regards to roles and there's nothing to it but some good old fashioned scumhunting. Don't let these shens get in the way of that! Who's scum!

Hero999

  • Banzai!
  • Beep~
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #346 on: September 18, 2011, 12:32:41 PM »
...PX WHAT THE FUCK...SURE ILLYA IS CUTE, BUT THATS TOO MANY NOBLE PHANTASMS!!!
I like freedom and fun rather then love and peace :)

@Huh What: I ask of you. DID YOU REALLY TRY TO KILL DORMIO?
I don't care if you answered with a claim. I want you to repeat the answer with a Yes or No.

@Bardiche: I sorely hope you are not over thinking things. I like taking things at face value. The fact that Polaris died while looking at ActionDan's heart is more then enough of a reason to lynch. How is this role madness if you are making us NOT look at roles?




ActionDan

  • Teaching old dogs new tricks
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #347 on: September 18, 2011, 02:19:22 PM »
Bard your case makes me rage inside.  I'll address it in my next post (36 hours from now obv).

Maybe we should think about this logically while role speculating.  First I think Polaris searching my soul was pretty obvious from the end of D1, considering that I was the only person whom he thought was scum for the entire day, and the fact that he announced that he'd search me last night.   With Serela and Polaris having investigative abilites I would think scum had a way to counter the Hider role, which is pretty powerful.  My guess is that Polaris was hiding a vulnerability to his person or to his role when he mentioned he had still more to tell.  I see it two ways.  Either Scum has a framer ability that they planted on me to make Polaris die when he entered me, or Scum had a way to destroy his immunity and kill him which would still trigger an announcement because Polaris said this "If I die while hiding, the person I was targeting will be revealed by the mod."  I am of the belief that Scum have BOTH powers because otherwise one of their own would be a sitting duck.

I don't know which way it went, but if scum killed Polaris, then HW is likely telling the truth about his vig shots.  If Scum framed me, then Huh What's actions are more doubtful.  However I see no reason for HW to claim as Scum. 

Does anyone happen to have a naturally EVIL heart?  If so I'd be more inclined to believe that Scum shot and killed Polaris without framing me.

Don't lynch me.

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #348 on: September 18, 2011, 04:27:50 PM »
Why is it so unlikely Huh What is the scum NK? ): ~*gambits*~ aren't a Bard-only thing.
Because I'm not dead and you aren't dead, and huh what isn't bad at mafia. More importantly there's no scum motive for that kill.
Quote
Look, whether Polaris died by Dan doesn't matter, okay?
Yes it does. As it stands, if we can't figure that out, we have no nightkill to go on. Nightkill speculation is good by the way and I know better then to dismiss it. I think I'll let other people decide for themselves if they read huh whatty's claim as town like I do. For me it's more confirmation of what was already there. Since I didn't suggest Dormio, if huh what could point out what made him personally suspect him it would help.

Actually I feel the need to comment on your attitude here. People who are working together in the thread probably aren't scum together. This is Town congregation ground. On top of that the town can't win if everyone is too paranoid to work together, like you are heavily implying we should be. A kitten told me town needs to feel comfortable talking and scum will do everything in their power to shut them up. Also, I love role madness and you can't take that away from me.

So let's not ignore roles, it's time to investigate. Dan is right, Polaris outright told us he would be checking Dan last night here. This increases the chances of the results being tampered with. Two cop roles increase the chances of there being a counter. Take these and add the target confirming himself as innocent? Ignore the troll rabbit's response. The flavor of the confirm is similar to the night results. This line is all you need.
"Such power costs everyone, even one as purely innocent as yourself."
So I changed my mind. We have both a way Dormio wasn't nightkilled and an innocent result from the Hider target.
So let's see, the one throwing doubt on the confirmed innocent result is... BARDICHE! Bardiche are you scum? Is there a particular reason you believe Dormio is townie with all of your heart? I'll make you a nice deal, if you tell me why you're ignoring Dormio as a suspect and defending him as a scum kill, I'll make a nice case for you on why huh what is townier then thou. Dormio was effectively, looking back at votecounts and suspicions, the counterwagon to both Polaris and Serela.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #349 on: September 18, 2011, 04:30:22 PM »
Also, ignore the button mashing man over there. As far as I know there's no evil in my heart.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

PX

  • School Idol?
  • *
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #350 on: September 18, 2011, 05:05:32 PM »
##BGM: worldenddominator

"Slice up your cow tits and make me a sandwich!"

The Seventeenth Twilight Votecount!
ActionDan (3) - Hero999, Youkai Jesus, Bardiche

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in ~56 hours.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2011, 05:19:06 PM by Kyubey PX »

Chaore

  • Kai Ni Recipient Many Years Late
  • *
  • You Finally Did It, Kadokawa.
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #351 on: September 18, 2011, 06:38:31 PM »
Quote
<Chaore> okay keine who do we lynch
<Keine-tan> Everyone.
<Chaore> This makes perfect sense.

@ActionDan: haha no, you're going to be posting again much sooner. And very often. Just because KYUBEY of all people says you are innocent, you're not off the hook. You've been roleconfirmed as both alignments and one of them is lying. Normally how we would figure which is lying is not dumbly trusting one over the other, by you know, doing what Bard said and looking over you?

@Shadoweh:  You're taking too much into NK speculation (Also known as Wifom of the twelfth degree) and roles and less into actually scumhunting and making cases on scum. At the moment you're suggesting Dormio is scum. Why is this? Because he is bulletproof and Huhwhat has a piercing shot and is clearly town except we have no guarantee he is town, and having a bulletproof piercing shot doesn't make Dormio scum, but able to be killed by Huhwhat? Dormio being town and Huhwhat being town are not mutually exclusive, and neither is proven- using one to say the other is false is BAD. We have a way to kill bulletproof scum btw, it's called lynching their faces in.

And, as hypocritical of me as it is to further take part in what I'm saying is Wifom, I also have an objection to your claim- You are suggesting a lawyer (probably better known as a Framer) then? That would allow scum to mess with the results of cops, yes. Even assuming Polly's role is triggered by a framed individual, in that case, what happened to the Nightkill? We can't just assume the nightkill disappeared. We don't even know if there -are- theoretically more protective roles in a game with two different invulnerable townies. And why would -it- and it alone choose to vanish without a trace? We got Dormio's kill shown, despite it failing, why would the other failure be more hidden?

Also, why is town alone more likely to work together, Shadoweh? That's like asking scum to work together so they can get a free pass.

I still think your scum from yesterday, and I'm not liking your ignorance and dipping into wifom today.

##Vote:Shadoweh.

I need to run to check my mail now then I'll properly read over huhwhat and ActionDan.

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #352 on: September 18, 2011, 06:46:09 PM »
@Huh What: I ask of you. DID YOU REALLY TRY TO KILL DORMIO?
I don't care if you answered with a claim. I want you to repeat the answer with a Yes or No.
Yes. I tried to shoot Dormio on Night 1.

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #353 on: September 18, 2011, 06:54:10 PM »
Also, Dan, can you clarify on what happened to you after the treestump?

Are you still allowed to vote and such?

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #354 on: September 18, 2011, 07:12:54 PM »
Cases are scummy. =D Now excuse me while I hide from angry kittens four me.

Oh man my idea that Dormio is scummy is out of the blue, isn't it? I never said he looked bad before ever. But since I did an ISO on him earlier you can have 'Did nothing but tunnel on Serela all day while throwing dirt on me'. But yes, the bulletproof does help. Huh what having a piercing shot is irrelevant. What do you think of Dormyon then? Again, you're defending him without ever giving an opinion on him. We need more then one case from everyone and possibly MORE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE TO LYNCH TODAY.

The Nightkill went *shrug*. I don't know. You already said why you don't think it was on Polly. I don't think it was huh what. Where do you think it went? If there are multiple ways to die it makes sense there are multiple ways to stop dying. If you're going to ask paranoid questions I expect you to provide your own theories on them instead of waving and screaming SCUM like a Crock Pot.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're just hoping no one notices you're doing alot of accusing and never making any defining statements yourself.

##Vote: Chaore


And town alone will work in the thread together because the scum are quite busy trying to pretend they don't know each other. Ask a stupid question, get an obvious answer. It's scary when the townies don't want to throttle each other, isn't it?

To everyone: This random wagon everywhere isn't going to fly. We can choose 1-12 people to lynch today. I want Dormio and Chaore out the door. I am no longer sure on Dan. EVERYONE please discuss how many and who you'd like to lynch today.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #355 on: September 18, 2011, 07:27:14 PM »
RE: Bard: I fullclaimed so people would understand why I shot on N1. Using a vigshot on N1 witohut a role that makes doing so ideal typically only makes sense if you're UK or a similiar player, and I don't think I count as either of those. I would rather not have a bunch of people shouting "OH NO HUHWHAT IS SK" in reaction to my claim. <_< I asked Shadoweh who to vig because she was my strongest town read at the time.

##Vote Youkai Jesus
I actually feel that she is the scummiest player alive right now, for her attempt to blend with the jokewagon on D1 in the middle of the day while pushing it to a large amount of votes. I really can not think of a situation in which I would read that as a town action. Her recent jump on Dan gives me the exact same vibes as her jokevote did - she's attempting to blend in by jumping on an "obvious" wagon while providing minimal actual content. I do realize that she was after Dan at the end of D2, but she's not actually trying to press her case any further or comment on the shenanigans revolving around him. I think that she is probably newbscum.

Dormio is still bad for basically coasting through D1 voting the flipped townie for very weak reasons that barely even implicated his target when he had a stronger case who could have been voting on instead. He did nothing to actually keep his case on Serela updated throughout the day, either, and yet still used his vote to assist in Serela's demise. I feel that this comes from lazy scum bordering on lurking behavior. I want him to be one of our lynches, and would be willing to switch my vote to him to ensure this.

Bard is ridiculous for the amount of conspiracy theories he is pushing, and quite possibly incredibly paranoid. Conspiracy theories almost never win games of mafia, and this should be really apparent after Haruhi and Werewolf happened. Posts like this are a good example of what I dislike about him, as he used the situation as if it had less options then it really did to discredit Dan. However, I personally felt his D1 actually looked really townie, so I don't see him as that large of a priority - it's entirely possibly he's just an insane townie. Still, the fact that he seems to constantly be pushing on the unlikely options to discredit people is enough to make me distrust his posts for now. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a secondary lynch.

I think that Dan is probably town with a really awful role, if that were not obvious.
I forgot that Rikter was playing. >:
Finally, I support three lynches instead of just two, for the sake of increasing our chances to get an ever-useful scum flip for tomorrow. Especially if Dormio is one of the targets, he should have been dead and dead again last night.

Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #356 on: September 18, 2011, 07:46:56 PM »
##Vote: Huhwhat
HW is scum as seen Here, Here, and Especially Here.
Attempting to use a flavor clear (the same kind that was used to clear Bloodwitch last game) and then backtracking on it with a weird explanation. The flavor clear may have been an attempt to suggest that his role also says "Townie" even if it doesn't.

Also, both He and Dan encourage both town wagons to lynch each other. Dan is much worse since Polly would be ending the day, but still.

Classic Newbie hunting pushing against YJ and Polaris for not having a strong presence, even though you couldn't really expect one from YJ. The voteswitch to YJ also seems way too kneejerk for someone who insists he'd rather Dormio be lynched. This post also contains a defending of both Dan and Shadoweh, for parties interested in the latter connection.

Also, Shadoweh and HW's complete lack of scumhunting kind of cinch the cases for me. I think all of them should be taken down today.

Cut:
Quote
If you're going to ask paranoid questions I expect you to provide your own theories on them instead of waving and screaming SCUM like a Crock Pot.
Not to sound like I'm defending my super-duper scum buddy chaore here, but I'm pretty sure the theories he believes in most is the "Most obvious answer is probably the correct one." Namely, the one that doesn't involve a missing, invisible NK.
Also, Shadoweh, it would help the "Dan, HW and I are not the scumteam" case a little more if you actually cited reasons why Chaore was scum instead of basing it on the fact that he thinks you're scum.

HW: Can you tell me how you'd feel YJ's play would differ if she was town as oppose to scum?
Would you have Bard be one of the Lynches? Yes or No?
Also, I disagree that Bard looked a lot scummy on day one, but he looks a lot better now. Could you explain what your feeling is on him more?
Also, if you feel so strongly about Dormio, why are you voting YJ instead?

Shadoweh

  • I will ahn~ vote count for you
  • *
  • The STRONGEST Day Effect
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #357 on: September 18, 2011, 07:54:53 PM »
I forget there were people playing besides Shadoweh, Bardiche and huh what, with a side of Chaore but he's scum and not invited. I'd rather see no harm come to my Bardiche, I've barely gotten him powered up as it is.

Huh what, if you hate Jesus, what do you think of Hero's post effectively doing the same thing? Jesus pretty much isn't scum.

Cut by Zakeri. >:( First of all, there isn't an obvious answer but do actually share what you think it is. Secondly, you're misrepresenting me. Chaore isn't scum because he thinks I'm scum. He's scum for NOT GIVING ANY OF HIS OWN STANCES WHILE FORCING OTHER PEOPLE TO ANSWER HIS HYPOCRITICAL QUESTIONS.

I'm even more positive we're attempting to throw Scum under the bus right now. Dan isn't a confirmed scum. Attempting to lynch him and people who are his scumpartners because OMG IT'S SO OBVIOUS is the red colored team trying to get away with this bullshit before the proof comes in the flip. Foot goes DOWN.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

ActionDan

  • Teaching old dogs new tricks
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #358 on: September 18, 2011, 08:23:43 PM »
First @Huhwhat:  I can post and vote properly, but I'm as useful as a Vanilla townie at the moment of my Pretty Confirm.

So I was going to dismantle Bard's case (and I plan to do this since I have some quality time now) but something caught my eye.

So I don't like Chaore's thought flow in his D2 posts.

 
Quote
ActionDan: Use that power. Now. If you are town it is more important we know you're town NOW than have that power later. It'll help in telling us what the fuck just happened, and we kind of need that. If you're town you're literally like the best person polly could've been on when killed by whatever, and you should use that fact.

Quote
wow i'm tempted to vote you for that right the fuck now but I kinda want actiondan to say something because there may be slight credence if he is actually town

if he's scum you both are lynched today though. That claim is literally just trying to cover ActionDan's ass to me. If you ARE actually the townvig, that's the only way ActionDan could be town at the moment.

Quote
I'm not sure how the hell it's optimal knowing what I know, but I'm pretty sure it's optimal if you happen to forget scum would need a piercing kill to hit polly like you did because it makes ActionDan possibly town, confusing town on a clear cut matter and giving them another day with Dan alive.

Quote
@ActionDan: haha no, you're going to be posting again much sooner. And very often. Just because KYUBEY of all people says you are innocent, you're not off the hook. You've been roleconfirmed as both alignments and one of them is lying. Normally how we would figure which is lying is not dumbly trusting one over the other, by you know, doing what Bard said and looking over you?


Something happened between the first and last quote.  At first, right after I said I could confirm myself town, you pretty much said that was great news with the implication that anyother person would have conf. scum because they didn't have my ability.  But the next quotes tell a different story using HW as a proxy.  You go from "ActionDan has confirmed townie status" to "ActionDan is only town if HW is a town Vig" to "ActionDan would be clearcut Scum if it weren't for HW confusing town" and the last quote finally reconizes that I'm confirmed by two roles to be of differing alignments.  You said the difference between me being town and scum lays in a re-read of my D1+D2 posting in the same manner as Bard's re-read but I don't see you giving an opinion on my play besides "Post More!" which echoes in my ears from reading what Bard had to say.

I am quite settled on you being one of the town lynches by the end of the day.

##:Vote Chaore

Hero, YJ, and Bard also get to die for voting me without much else to say at the time of their vote which were all after I said I could confirm myself town.  I don't care if Bard voted me and then quickly unvoted saying he wanted to hear more from HuhWhat for vigging Dormio when he should have been thinking about the fact that I could confirm myself as town.

Don't lynch me.

Bardiche

  • Mafia: Worst Game Ever
Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
« Reply #359 on: September 18, 2011, 08:27:14 PM »
Because all the NK speculation is being muddled.

Okay, I now too want Shadoweh, HW and Dan gone together. They're confusing the shit out of matters by throwing buzzwords around and suggesting completely reasonable disappearing NKs while Shadoweh argues that shooting Dormio could only have been done by a Town Vig.

Do you know why I want you gone now Shadoweh? BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU AREN'T LIKE THIS. I've never seen Shadoweh try so hard to argue that killing Dormio MAKES NO SENSE FOR SCUM AND THEREFORE IT MUST BE A TOWN ACT, or go all omggg ure the scums. Maybe it's a strategy you're trying due to the high level of newbies.

If it seems like I'm paranoid, it's because everyone is scum, and because my role incites me to be paranoid while at the same time being completely useless. It's because PX has gone out of his way to make sure no one can trust him on his word.

Do you want to know why I want Huh What gone now? Because he's voting Youkai Jesus. Youkai Jesus whose contributions so far have been utterly useless for Town in determining what he really thinks or where he stands. If he was my scumbuddy I would be yelling at him so hard to get a grip, that I simply cannot believe he can be both scum AND this clueless. I don't mind losing if that's actually the scum strategy.

Huh What claims there are more situations than I provided to claim Dan is scum. I ended that post with an invitation to provide one. Your provision so far has been "mebe scum can bypas it lolz". Well, gee, we figured that one out. Hey, here's a funny thought: you say you expect scum to have a way to counter-act Polaris. How does a fake treestump sound as a counter to that?

Cut by Dan delaying again. So it looks like this is Chaore/Bard VS HW/Dan/Shadoweh. Exciting~