Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!

[J.O.B]

You're no longer a newbie. Act like it.

Why do you always have to bring this up? I learn mafia at my own learning pace. I don't care if you were able to learn faster or anything like that. I will learn at my own pace, and nothing else! Why do you have to have a grudge against me just for being bad at mafia? My mentor that I had was a scum mentor not a town one. So you can't use that against me.
This is getting to the point that I am seriously considering replacing out just to get away from you. Stop using this, I really don't like it.

[Shadoweh]

Kilga is much better at being town actually. People just want you to act your mafia age.
I don't think Chaore was in the last game, nor was he around long enough in Graveyard to come after you heavily over this, so it's not a very good point to argue over. Find the scums, not people you think are jerks.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

There is a difference between questioning and blatant rolefishing.

And? Any and all responses can be good information for town. Why do you insist on trying to hide away as much information from town as possible?

And WHY would they tell you ANYTHING? It's d1. Do you really think ANYONE would claim powers, especially scum? It's a waste of time, and also brings attention to what could possibly be a town powerrole. I'm talking about rolefishing in general by the way, not just this situation.

>Role madness
I believe that reactions are highly valuable in this sort of game.

or just going after someone for silly RVS shenanigans (Which is also the entire case on Chaore btw, if your name is not Shadoweh. :I)
'cause the wagon on him is TERRIBLE. It really is. Shadoweh is the only person who isn't voting him for doing random-number-generator voting, last I checked.

If it's so terrible, why don't you let him say it himself?

[ActionDan]

Alright I'm going to play DotA, but I felt it wouldn't be responsible if I didn't post here first.

This will be the introduction to a much larger post that will come later. 

I'll talk about Chaore/HuhWhat/Shadoweh/Serela later but there is something right in front of me that sends off gut scum vibes.

Hi guys I'm back from school.

huh what vote was a jokevote. I posted at like midnight or something and chose the person that stood out the most. :V
It's all right now, huh what. You aren't not very cool now. You're just uninteresting, as always.

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan

Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.

Don't pull a Chaore and say that I'm misrepping you.  Your vote was in no way an obvious jokevote.  You voted Huh What for "not being a cool guy" after he had fun voting shadoweh 3 times and refused to elaborate on why he did so.  I. E, Your vote served as a commentary on the shenanigans.  Therefore it is not a jokevote because you had some reason for voting.  What that reason was; that wasn't clear.  Now your trying to sub in that reason for "jokevote," because he stood out the most.   It doesn't make sense.

This feels like backtracking.   One of your reasons for voting me "Dan overreacting" is highly unoriginal (and as I will explain later, untrue) while the other is an intentional misrep and something that I bet you added to try to give believability to your vote.

##:Unvote
##Vote: Polaris

[Polaris]

I define "jokevote" as "not a serious vote", which makes my vote a jokevote because I didn't seriously believe huh what was scum from those actions. You're trying to force your interpretation on everyone. :/ (Please do not confuse a jokevote with a random vote. I will concede that my vote was not random, but it was a joke.)

Also, I never claimed you were misrepping me. (However, I am claiming now that you are misrepping me for saying that I had claimed that you misrepped me. are you confused yet lol)
I'd like an explanation on how I was misrepping you, however. (And maybe define the word "misrep" in case our definitions are totally differing again.)

[Rikter]

##Unvote: huh what

It won't go anywhere useful for now and I can't think of anything past that try and get anything from it.

[PX]

"Do you value your life? Do you think that your family and friends are important to you?
If they are, then you should never think of changing yourself. Otherwise, you will lose everything that is precious to you."

The HomuHomu Fourth Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Bardiche, Chaore
J.O.B (0) - Chaore
Chaore (3) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B, Shadoweh, Bardiche
huh what (0) - Polaris, Rikter, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~52.5 hours.

I am now in need of a replacement for J.O.B. I am not pleased.

EDIT: Vote Count is corrected

[PX]

##BGM: dreamenddischarger

"It's useless, it's all useless!"

The Fifth Twilight Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Bardiche, Chaore
J.O.B (0) - Chaore
Chaore (2) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B, Shadoweh, Bardiche
huh what (0) - Polaris, Rikter, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter, Capt. h
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~51.5 hours.

Capth replaces JOB effective immediately.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I'm not finding myself liking any of Dormio's recent content, so I'm willing to keep my vote on him. I don't think that Serela discouraging rolefishing is nearly as bad as he's making it out to be. Like with his first serious vote, he seems to be voting people over nitpicks rather than scum intent, and I think that this is something scum would do if they're having trouble finding good cases.

Also, what happened to his opinion on Chaore? I can understand dropping an ED1 case, but his transition in opinions isn't really fluid, as his #85 doesn't really say anything about what he actually thinks about Chaore right now, which is a little odd given that Chaore currently has a wagon growing on him.

Rikter, having no vote at this point essentially leaves you with no opinions when there is serious discussion on the table. Who do you think is scum, if not me?

[capt. h]

Confirm

Lets get this show on the road!

First thing's first, lets put our cards on the table.

##Vote Shadoweh

Her play so far is aggressive at best and scummy at worst. I agree that it looks like she's hydraing with UK. I also admit that her attacks simply look scummy to me on gut, partially because it seems like she's being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive.

I don't like Polaris either. I don't follow his case on Action Dan; I need to see the posts Polaris is referring to in it when he says:

Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.

Since he's only talked about 1 player and it doesn't contain enough information for me to parse it, he looks suspicious to me. That last line, which explicitly indicates he might get back to us if he feels like it, is lazy and scummy as heck as well.

Course, everyone looks scummy to me right now.

[capt. h]

I find NeoSerela suspicious for the tremendous amount of noise she generates. Relatively few opinions on who is scum and why, lots of CAPITALIZATION and overreacting and emotion.

I find Huh What suspicious for even mentioning this:

Actually, while I'm at it, I'm going to say that Youkai Jesus' jokevote seems to look a little like she's trying to blend in with the rest of the jokevote phase. Reminds me a little of Furien from his first game.

It also seems to have worked, given that Shadoweh seems to have looked over her completely.

Not to mention the 62 he made looks like it's trying to rewrite history.

And I find Dormio suspicious (or maybe just bad) for defending rolefishing in his 92.

[Polaris]

My case in your quote is referring to this post. (You'd think it would be easy to figure out considering he's only made one post before mine.)

That last line, which explicitly indicates he might get back to us if he feels like it, is lazy and scummy as heck as well.

Your word choice is terrible here, considering I have not "explicitly indicated" that I would respond "if I felt like it". There are things that I had to prioritize over mafia, you know.

Sheesh.

If you want me to talk about other players, then I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I have early town reads on everyone who posted on page three, except Dormio. Dormio is being incredibly awkward with his attempted justification of rolefishing, as well as how he apparently forbids us from disliking wagons that aren't our own, or something. (Early town reads != totally cleared as town, in case someone wanted to misrep me.)

The remaining people are those who I've already covered, those who haven't really contributed anything in the first place, and those who keep calling Serela a girl (cough cough).

[Shadoweh]

Oh hi capt.h. UK is telling me you turned JOB into scum now. :< Why would you do that?
Do tell me why me being aggressive is scummy. There is absolutely nothing in your vote I can argue with since it's entirely because "SHADOWEH IS BEING MEAN >:c"

Wow look at all those posts. When I wake up there better be more votes on someone scummy, like say Chaore. I am far too drunk half asleep and internetless ridden to read them all now.

[capt. h]

And now I find Action Dan suspicious for overreacting to Chaore's RVS vote, followed by trying to twist the intention of this into not a joke vote and scum motivated:

Phoneposting hi everyone!

##Vote: huh what
Huh wha isn't being very cool right now. :L

-cut by Shadoweh-

[capt. h]

Well, there are a lot of things that bother me about you, and they basically add up to my gut saying all is not right.

Recall when you asked if it looked like you were hydraing with UK. The fact is yes, it does. You're playing a lot like UK, which is why I'm suspicious. You're launching lots of attacks in every direction, which is something I would expect from scum UK. The fact that you're throwing around arbitrary units of "townie cred" like it's candy is suspicious as well (shifting people around on a scale like that is bad, and I've seen scum do it and get lynched for it):

Rikter: That's more like a rolefishing reason then a scumhunting reason to vote for someone. -1 townie cred. But you didn't know what the colors of your alignment meant so I'm not quick to judge. (By the way what color are you today?) Why don't you like it, what feels off about it?

In addition:

UK, quiet, we can't change our vote to Dormio just because he's hating on us. No, not even because he didn't banter with us about voting blocks, we don't know if he would be all serious buisness as scum! Yep, still got a town read on JOB. Doesn't mean I like him any more then usual. I didn't say I think Dan is town, you want a punch in the nose? The part about arguing for the sake of arguing applies to Rikter, not JOB. You're not reading me very closely.

I learned from Kiro that disagreeing with your hydra in public and bringing your hydra in a lot is bad at best, scummy at worst. The reason is because a player can use the excuse of the second head whenever they want to change their opinion quickly. Tomorrow you could say "UK convinced me Dan is scum" with no good way for us to approach you on it, and it gives you a tremendous amount of flexibility with your reads. So the fact that you're using UK so much is scummy.

I find you scummy.

[Shadoweh]

Would it help if I told you I'm not actually in a hydra with UK?

Because I'm not actually in a hydra with UK.

So telling me I look like Scum!UK doesn't really tell you anything about Shadoweh.

[capt. h]

Would it help if I told you I'm not actually in a hydra with UK?

Because I'm not actually in a hydra with UK.

So telling me I look like Scum!UK doesn't really tell you anything about Shadoweh.

Actually, it doesn't help. You attacked people in every direction, threw around units of townie cred, and used a fake hydra head to your advantage. Those are all scummy in their own right.

[Shadoweh]

Riiiight, I'm just going to file you under Way Too SRS BSNS then. I'm probably going to keep attacking people in every direction too, so look forward to that. Like Rikter if he isn't voting someone by the time I wake up. @_@ And I didn't throw around any townie cred, I actually only took one away from someone in one post. Don't be so dramatic.

[Polaris]

Wait, you're saying you're attacking people in every direction, but aren't you voting Chaore because he attacked you in every direction? Or did I totally misunderstand your case? :S

[Shadoweh]

How exactly do you attack one person in every direction? I'm questioning everyone, because everyone is a suspect, until the truth is elegantly revealed. I'm voting Chaore because he was testing the waters before dipping into a pool on the Shadoweh wagon while keeping his vote on a newbie for not doin enuf.

[Polaris]

Oh okay I misunderstood "attacking in every direction". :V

I still don't particularly see Chaore as scum, but it's strange/interesting how the wagon sort of rose and fell kind of inconspicuously. :L

[PX]

"I want you to take those fools from the Computer Club... AND BEAT THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THOSE GEEK BOYS!"

The Day of Sagittarius VI Votecount!
Shadoweh (4) - Zakeri, Hero999, Chaore, capt. h
Chaore (2) - Shadoweh, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan

Shadoweh is at L-3!
Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~48.5 hours.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Wait, why the hell is Shadoweh a leading wagon?

[[Y]oukai [J]esus]

##Vote Shadoweh

Didn't I post this in page two? Error tiem.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So, like, do you have anything to add other than RVS'ing?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Unvote
##Vote Youkai Jesus

There's serious discussion going on. You shouldn't just be using a jokevote as an excuse to sneak onto large wagons without reason.

If you have actual opinions on other players as is, now would be a good time to reveal them.

[Hero999]

@Youkai Jesus: ... did you even read the rules?
Votes need to be bolded. Unless your not bolding them on purpose.
Also get your facts straight and actually say a reason for your serious vote on Shadoweh. I don't like how all you have in your posts are all votes.

@Shadoweh: I like how you still believe everyone to be a suspect when you've stated before that you believe J.O.B. was town formerly, then what makes a difference in player change? J.O.B. was already a town read for you. So why do you believe capt.h to be scum now? Its funny how a difference in play style makes you believe hes scum.

@Dormio: You've been defending yourself all these time, but do you have any reads? Or at least reinstate what it is.

...and thats about all I feel like doing at the moment.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I think that Serela is scummy.
I think that Chaore is scummy to a lesser extent.
Will post again soon.

[Bardiche]

Explaining that wording is simple. See, when people see a bear their reaction is naturally to get worried.

My reaction is to attempt to punch the bear in the face. It is very lucky that I haven't met a real bear yet. So when I say 'I want to punch someone in the face' I mean 'I'm worried about their actions, and desire to punch them in the face because their face is also probably really punchable'

Your vote seems like an excuse to pull off from applying pressure elsewhere because I'm away and probably won't be back for a bit, which is annoying but not necessarily scummy.

I'm sorry if you seemed to have looked at it and went 'Chaore is clearly wanting Shadoweh lynched and not just suspicious and wants his question answered'. That's not what happened, I'm just very punch happy.

I fail to see the correlation between punching bears and that you went out of your way to list everything you disliked about Shadoweh and stuck to your jokevote.

[Bardiche]

In case my reason for keeping my vote isn't obvious: what made you feel that it was alright to word things in such an ambiguous way or to, at all, list such a list of disagreeable traits in someone to warrant physical violence, but sticking to your jokevote, as any suspicion ought to have been better than no suspicion at that stage in the game and, indeed, you were one of the earlier contributors with content actually meaningful? Why waste that content with "hurf durf jokevote, punchan bears"?