Author Topic: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5! (Read 89071 times)

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #30 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:20:52 AM »

... what.

##Unvote
##Vote Dormio

People jokevote with the RNG all the time. Your vote is the wrong kind of tryhard, IMO.
The worst parts about Chaore's post are totally unrelated to him using Keine. That said, I don't actually suspect him.

ActionDan · « **Reply #31 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:28:26 AM »

Posting here before I go to bed. Looks ugly already. However, I agree with Dormio about the RVS votes. They should be made on the spot and should be largely spontaneous. I simply don't understand what could have prompted Chaore to post that. Moreover, the vote on job seems not just to be purely random anyway because Chaore is makes a quip about "Keine-tan's" vote which suggests that voting Job is a bad choice. Chaore, what do you think of Job right now? It's clear that you think something about him, or at least about voting him.

##: Vote Chaore

Polaris, what don't you like about HW's posts specifically, or is it just that you don't like him for voting the same person 3 times in a row? I don't feel comfortable with your post.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #32 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:31:24 AM »

They do? I don't recall any other occasion where it's been used aside from by me when I was scum.
And I just read Chaore's post again. And I completely missed the first section about the hydra somehow. I shouldn't try to write up posts in the middle of a lecture.
And so I'll post again when I get home.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #33 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:33:22 AM »

Jokevoting with the RNG is a null tell. It's something people have done regardless of alignment in past games. I'm not sure why it's being twisted into a scumtell here, and Dan agreeing with you baffles me.

Regardless, you are voting somebody for inoptimal play in the RVS rather than for scumminess.

This is the kind of "first serious vote" that scum would make, because it's not actually trying to look for scum intent.

J.O.B · « **Reply #34 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:42:49 AM »

I kinda agree with Dormio that it doesn't give town any information really. But I disagree that it's a scumtell.

@Huhwhat: What exactly was your reason for voting Shadoweh three times like that?

J.O.B · « **Reply #35 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:43:28 AM »

EBWOP: "That it doesn't really give town any information"

Shadoweh · « **Reply #36 on:** September 14, 2011, 09:20:52 AM »

What, you only got me up to four votes? Please, I get these wagons in my sleep.
Too bad you suckers missed your chances to quicklynch me. It's too late now scumbags, Shadoweh is back and IT'S TOWNIE TIME, BABY!

Dormio: Weirdly I agree with Dormio about using the RNG to vote. It's a hated enough tactic that it's banned in many games. What I find weird is hearing this logic from him of all people. This is something I'd expect an MSer to say and even then regard it as the worst kind of nulltell, I don't remember you ever caring. Basing it out of you past experience as scum doesn't mean the tell can be applied to anyone equally.

Chaore: Chaore's post itself is full of the blatant silly that scum is too chicken to use. Also we should all be sheeping to Keine just because it's Keine.

huh what: So what are the worst parts of Chaore's post? Also, not posting a text wall Day 1, is this a town trait or scum trait for you? Don't try to lie to me young man, I'll go read every game you've been in. =.=

J.O.B.: Why do you disagree it's a scumtell? In your Own Opinion (TM). You're probably town again anyways.

Well I don't actually want to vote any of these people yet. Therefore: Puppies!

##Vote: Zakeri

Hey you get a special mention here because I forgot your post and that's bad.
Polaris:

Quote from: Polaris on September 14, 2011, 06:53:24 AM

Phoneposting hi everyone!

##Vote: huh what
Huh wha isn't being very cool right now. :L

Hi, what does not being very cool mean besides 'Trying really hard like a huh what'?

J.O.B · « **Reply #37 on:** September 14, 2011, 09:24:23 AM »

I think it's not a scumtell (aka I think it's a nulltell) because I've seen other people do it before (I think), and they didn't always turn out to be scum.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #38 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:02:40 AM »

I know you think you answered my question, but you didn't. Your answer is too vague, like saying "It's in that place I put that thing that time!" Where did you see it happen before?

J.O.B · « **Reply #39 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:09:05 AM »

I can't remember exactly which game I saw it in, and I don't have the patience to check, but I'm 90% sure it was in a previous game during RVS.
~~Knowing how many times you read past games you should prbably remember which game it is.~~
But I would still consider it a null tell anyway because :idontknowwhotovote:

J.O.B · « **Reply #40 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:26:46 AM »

I decided to look back anyway and I noticed in JJBM Dormio used Keine to decide between two people to random vote, and in that game, Dormio was town.
I don't think that was my original example though. But it still works as an example.

Hero999 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:43:37 AM »

I like how Shadoweh immediately dismisses J.O.B. as asap town. Confident much?

##Vote Shadoweh

and I feel Huh what to give me some bad feelings...inability to explain it though.

I believe both Dormio and Chaore's actions are null tells.
Dormios actions have pretty much quick lynched RVS as using a RNG is more detrimental to town then helpful. However Chaore's RNG roll is still considered a Null-tell for me due to being in RVS.

J.O.B · « **Reply #42 on:** September 14, 2011, 11:46:15 AM »

So yeah did that actually answer your question Shadoweh?

Also I should probably get a more serious vote down.
##Unvote
##Vote:Chaore
I agree completely with Dan about the uncertainty of voting me. What are you really hiding?

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #43 on:** September 14, 2011, 11:49:20 AM »

#Vote Shadoweh

Quick Metagame lynch.

Rikter · « **Reply #44 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:43:29 PM »

Oh this started.

##Vote: Dormio

Just as a placeholder while I catch up

PX · « **Reply #45 on:** September 14, 2011, 03:24:53 PM »

Meteo Impact! The Second Votecount!
Shadoweh (2) - Zakeri, ~~J.O.B~~, ~~huh what~~, Hero999
J.O.B (1) - Chaore
Chaore (3) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B
huh what (1) - Polaris
Dormio (2) - huh what, RIKTER
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, NeoSerela, Bardiche

Day 1 ends in ~62.5 hours.

Bardiche · « **Reply #46 on:** September 14, 2011, 03:37:19 PM »

##VOTE: Shadoweh

Wall of text about the others and then you continue jokevotes. How did you call this? Trying too hard, was it?

Rikter · « **Reply #47 on:** September 14, 2011, 03:47:30 PM »

##Unvote

I don't like how Huhwhat voted and unvoted three times without saying anything or why at all other then they might have had a reason for it.

##Vote: Huh what

Shadoweh · « **Reply #48 on:** September 14, 2011, 03:52:41 PM »

Quote from: Youkai Jesus on September 14, 2011, 11:49:20 AM

Quick Metagame lynch.

I told you, you missed the quyicklynch boat! You need to bold them votes too. That ain't gonna fly for long, read over the rest of the players and tell us what you think of them so far.

JOB: Yeah, it does, but then you went and voted for Chaore anyways. Oh well. You still get a townie badge. Don't abuse it or you'll get thrown off a cliff before LYLO.

Hero999: Yep. He's doing that thing where he reads people and sheeps the ones he thinks make the most sense like in Graveyard. My observation while being scum is that townies aren't actually that hard to find if you stop being suspicious of every small twitch they do and just use simplicity to look at their actions. So we're going to try and actually use that for good this game.
So got any reads besides what got said before you posted, that huh what is bad because

and Dormio/Chaore are null?

Bardiche: <^_^> I call it not enough conclusive evidence. It's Townie Questions Time, please wait warmly until the vote is ready. Third on the wagon, are you scum Bardy?

You would keep trying to lynch me even if I'm town, you're cheeky when you're scum.

Rikter: That's more like a rolefishing reason then a scumhunting reason to vote for someone. -1 townie cred. But you didn't know what the colors of your alignment meant so I'm not quick to judge. (By the way what color are you today?) Why don't you like it, what feels off about it?

Chaore · « **Reply #49 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:08:14 PM »

@ActionDan: ...

Nothing? He posted a single post, of a meaningless rvs vote at the time I posted. I think you've misunderstood. That 'Edit:' section is not in response to my own vote (That would be largely stupid) but the cuts of 6 different posts voting shadoweh. At the time I hadn't realized most were huhwhat again and thought someone had just been put to L-1 minutes into the game. I asked Keine what she thought of what just happened and she told me to shut up. This was because she didn't make the same mistake as me because she wasn't cut.

So basically your entire vote is based on a possibly unintentional misrep. Possibly intentional given I still don't get how the fuck you actually came to believe that, seeing as that doesn't really make sense for a logical assumption reading my post.

@J.O.B.: Please stop following people blatantly. I've entirely answered you by responding to Dan. I should never be able to do that. You're no longer a newbie. Act like it.

@Shadoweh:

Quote

<Chaore> baaaaaaa
<Keine-tan> Stop sheeping to me.

You heard the magical cowgirl.

On one hand, you pretty much remind me of every town!shadoweh I've ever seen because you're asking questions. On the other hand your reasoning makes me want to cave you in the face. Clearing me for being Silly is Bad, Scum can have a sense of humor as well. Clearing J.O.B. as town for sheeping and being a new player in his fourth game is bad, as it shows a lax of actually trying to determine his alignment and willing to pass off new play and stupid play as townie. You also only say you 'agree' with dormio, while not agreeing with the idea that I'm scummy because of it, and pass off his use of it as a tell (if null), which reads all kinds of wrong to me. Your false grilling of Huhwhat going all 'ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT' and later applying that to Rikter, again feels awful and forcing suspicion where there really isn't. Your blanket attacking of Polly's pretty clear RVSy vote is bad but this is all substitute to the main reason I want to punch your face in right now.

Why did you completely ignore Action Dan? ActionDan made a very serious and very interesting vote on me. He wasn't simply going 'Diceroll=Scum, games in the bag', but implied I had reasoning behind my vote. If I did this would be a very large catch, and if not this is almost certainly the 'try hard' you've been looking for. It seems odd you would just up and ignore Dan. Care to explain why?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #50 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:48:28 PM »

Chaore: I think you're normally wrong. Scum are SRS BSNS. As for JOB, clearing someone for doing what they do as town is called using their meta correctly. Explaining it to you is me being nice for once. He's trying anyways. I've already determined his alignment, so I don't appreciate being called lax. No, I think Dormio's use of an RNG tell is slightly suspicious, not null. Needs more input. I have no idea what you mean by false grilling. Huh what hasn't posted again yet, so if you're saying I'm ignoring him I'll be taking my townie creds back from you. Explain this falseness in words I understand.

I'm not the one looking for 'try hard', Huh what is. Let's just say I consider the post null but don't think I need to question Dan personally to get more reads on him.

So your first paragraph is a dislike of Dan's vote and case as a possible misrep on you, and your second is an attack on all of my reads for disagreeing with you.. along with questioning why I'm ignoring Dan in a way that implies I should be seeing him as town for having a good case on you, unless I'm suposed to be looking for try hard scum which first of all, is someone else's motive, and second of all sounds incredibly silly in a town where scum doesn't try hard. You have confused the hell out of me. Oh, and your vote is on JOB, the dude nestled between your suspicions.

Well, you're certainly trying to prove me wrong about the sense of humor. You look like you're throwing things at me to see if anything sticks. Let's go with this. SORRY ZAKERI THE PUPPIES WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chaore

Rikter · « **Reply #51 on:** September 14, 2011, 06:11:06 PM »

@Shadoweh: 3 posts all voting/unvoting the same person 2 with of them posted within 5 minutes of each other just strikes me as odd even for random votes. As for alignment I know for sure what I am this game.

Bardiche · « **Reply #52 on:** September 14, 2011, 06:31:06 PM »

Quote

<^_^> I call it not enough conclusive evidence. It's Townie Questions Time, please wait warmly until the vote is ready.

I call it pretending to be Town in a game full of noobies. :V What sense is there in asking Rikter about his vote when, quite plainly, there was little else to go on for him? He's trying to be the Townest! I wouldn't question him at this stage in the game, and yet you are.

Chaore! Do threats of physical violence constitute suspicion that Shadoweh is scum, or are they just violent expressions of affection and cameraderie?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #53 on:** September 14, 2011, 06:33:24 PM »

I don't understand any of the D1 cases in this game except for my own.

Shadoweh, the worst parts about Chaore's post were the ridiculous amounts of fluff and the fact that it seemed to open up a door to pointless set-up speculation. This wasn't enough to make me consider him as scum at the time.

As is, though, I don't like the priorities in his recent post. Seems like he has an actual case on Shadoweh, yet he's clinging onto the J.O.B vote because... ???, I guess. This is not townie usage of one's vote! I want to hear from Dormio more before I consider switching, though. His serious vote still rubs me the wrong way.

As for Shadoweh's second question, uhh, the only D1 without walls that I can remember right now is JK9, where I was town. I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this into the thread and make the game harder to re-read when you could just read my D1s yourself. <_<

Serela · « **Reply #54 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:03:04 PM »

I'm a little irritated at all the people rolefishing at Huhwhat and voting him for it. If Huhwhat had any reason past screwing around, then town sure as hell doesn't need to know about it, because either

A.Huhwhat's town, scum does not need that kind of info, town doesn't need to know until Huhwhat's about to get lynched or lylo
B.Huhwhat is scum, lol you're not going to get anything helpful out of it.

tl;dr rolefishing is dumb unless in specific situations where it might be okay but I don't trust my mafia knowledge enough to give examples. There are reasons people generally do not claim unless they're about to die or it's LyLo.

Anyway. Moving on.

Dormio's reasons for voting Chaore are silly, yeah, but ActionDan's followup is even worse. He reads way too far into Chaore's vote, as if it was actually something more then an RVS jokevote, and tries to frame some roleplay shenanigans as something scummy. With his general wording, (Ex:"I simply don't understand what could have prompted Chaore to post that.") he treats the entire incident like Chaore just started worshipping Satan in Church on Sunday in front of everyone.

Huhwhat says Dormio's vote was the wrong kind of tryhard. Dan is that, except even moreso.

##Vote:ActionDan

PX · « **Reply #55 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:23:42 PM »

"Drown in your ideals and die!"

The Third Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Bardiche
J.O.B (1) - Chaore
Chaore (4) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B, Shadoweh
huh what (2) - Polaris, Rikter
Dormio (1) - huh what, ~~RIKTER~~
Zakeri (0) - ~~Shadoweh~~
ActionDan (1) - NeoSerela

Not voting: Youkai Jesus
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~59 hours.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #56 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:27:28 PM »

Actually, while I'm at it, I'm going to say that Youkai Jesus' jokevote seems to look a little like she's trying to blend in with the rest of the jokevote phase. Reminds me a little of Furien from his first game.

It also seems to have worked, given that Shadoweh seems to have looked over her completely.

Bardiche · « **Reply #57 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:44:40 PM »

Why are you trying to stir a pot, Huh What?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #58 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:45:35 PM »

Hm?

I'm just pointing out the things that bug me. <_< I'm not sure what's weird about that.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #59 on:** September 14, 2011, 07:46:24 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 06:31:06 PM

I call it pretending to be Town in a game full of noobies. :V What sense is there in asking Rikter about his vote when, quite plainly, there was little else to go on for him? He's trying to be the Townest! I wouldn't question him at this stage in the game, and yet you are.

I think there's plenty for people to go on. I will question whoever I please, thank you kindly. People have difficulty assessing the true newbies and last game should show how willing many are to throw them off a cliff for being impossible to comprehend instead of trying to find their reasoning. Besides, how do you expect him to learn how to argue if no one engages him?

huh what: How can you say you don't understand my case if you agree with my reasoning of Chaore's priorities? Don't overthink it. We appear to be on the same page. And I can't expect everyone else to go through the details I do, so you answering the question for all to see is easier. ..Youkai who? No actually, I addressed her directly. There isn't anything there to take a read from.

Serela posting something sensible. ~~Obviously he's scum.~~ Serela, for the sake of my curiousity, if you had to name three people at this moment as scum, who would it be and why?

STOP CUTTING ME