Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)

[W]

About Sorceress >> Provided the information you gave me previously, I think of the following:

Survivor is supposing a 3rd party role. I think I should call it 'riding people's backs'. They probably operate for their good. They sway from side to side depending on their own outcome.

If I had to follow this info, then I don't believe sorceress. I haven't seen any of this type of behaviour in her D1 and D2. IMO, if I were a survivor, I would stay low and not derp around like Sorc did in D1 and D2. And now, she suddenly starts claiming more roles/powers putting us all in confusing. Basically, she failed hard and raised scum-reads all over her.

"When you cannot convince them, confuse them."

Either way, lynching Sorceress causes no loss for Town. If she flips scum than its even better for Town.

About Bremm >> Bremm gives me derptown reads. Especially how he keeps clustering his posts because he is trying to answer everything at the same time. His question why I tunnelled on Summoner was already asked by many other people and was basically derp. How he questioned Nihlatak when nihlatak was non-existent, again derp. His #313 is face palming.

As I said before, Bremm's powers are imo dangerous. But if he is really town then it's okay, as long as he uses it with care.

If I had to restructure my town/scum-vibe list (left to right == weak to strong):
Possible Town: Bremm, Blood, Cold, Raka
Undecided: Beetle, Barbarian, Corpse, Summoner
Possible Scum: Eyeback, Sorceress
Still-useless-people: Nihlatak

[Sasword]

@Bloodwitch: Does asking questions have to lead somewhere in order to ask them?

At the moment I find Nihlathak leaning scum, due to his suspicious and ...strangely scary content today.
Barbarian as neutral leaning scum due to his complete reliance on GUT.

Well, usually people ask questions because they have an issue they want to resolve. Asking questions for the sake of asking questions is very nice and all but scum can do it very easily. What's important is that we can see the conclusions from your questions.
Anyway, could you elaborate on your suspicions?

In any case,
##Unvote
I don't think Bremm is the lynch for today. I need some more time to digest his posts, because I'm not sure now if the overall disconnectedness is derptown or derpscum. I'd much rather lynch Sorceress for her overall behavior and the fact that she's a claimed non-town role. I'd note that if Sorceress does in fact flip Survivor, we should largely ignore her partner, since I'd assume in that case we'd have overlapping wincons.

Berber Ryan: That's very nice, but you didn't answer my question here:

Why are Bremm and Nih obvscum? I missed it in your posts.

Nickelback: Is there any reason you're voting Bremm besides "Let's not lynch the claimed Survivor?" I haven't seen a lick of justification for your reads, so I'd like if you provided something.

Coldcrow, what do you think of Bremm, since I think you said you were going to look over him again? I also want a little clarification on this passage, since I've no idea what you're talking about.

Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>

I had something to ask Raka here but I forgot what it was. This is here so I can try to remember.

Anyway, we should lynch Sorc today. I'll reread Bremm overnight to see if I can get a better read. Eyeback looks pretty bad for general nonpresence and fairly weak votes, so possible scum. Barbarian is getting on my nerves for still not having any cases, so he's a null read now. Nickelback is similar but is less likely to be scum.

[Pesco]

Sewers Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Beetleburst
Bremm Sparkfist (3): Barbarian, Eyeback, Nihlathak
Nihlathak (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
26% time remaining

[Ouja]

I'm reading this game. It still doesn't make sense. Sorceress claimed Survivor, what are you waiting for?

##Unvote
##Vote: Sorceress

[Pesco]

Rocky Wastes Votecount

Sorceress (5.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Beetleburst, Eyeback
Bremm Sparkfist (2): Barbarian, Nihlathak
Nihlathak (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch

Sorceress was lynched.

Sorceress was Player Character survivor mason

Night 2 begins. You have 24 hours to send in an action. If you choose to do nothing, please say so. If you don't send in an action it will be assumed you're doing nothing. Day 3 will begin when all actions are in.

[Pesco]

Beetleburst died overnight.

Beetleburst was a Superunique

Stony Tomb Votecount

Votes: None

Not voting: Everyone

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
100% time remaining

[Skull]

Orange?
Well, doesn't matter. Orange is still not red.

##Vote: Eyeback
Why the quickhammer? Afraid the wagon might have moved onto your scumbuddy?

[Skull]

Bremm and Eyeback are buddies. Third scum is one of these five

CorpseFire
FireEye
ColdCrow
Rakanishi
Summoner

List is ordered in terms of most likely to least likely from my PoV.
It's no surprise Beetle was killed last night, since he's the one who started the wagon on Bremm.
Anyone who doesn't already know my feelings on Barbarian isn't paying attention to the game.

[Ouja]

I was entirely afraid the guy I was voting might've become the lynch.

There's a Survivor on the table. You lynch Survivors. I did not want to suffer someone getting wet feet and moving off of her. My feelings have not changed since the previous day.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

[Decade]

Nih is starting to remind me of someone and I don't like where that reminding is going because it's someone who could be playing like him and still totally be town. Then again,  they'd probably play the same as scum? Oh whatever I'll think about this when I'm not sleep deprived

Bremm is still scum so I'm going to concentrate on that at the moment.

I also have to leave right now so I don't have time to say anything else.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

[W]

Hey Eyeback, you made us all frown with odd words when Kaa and Countess died. Now you performed a  "holy shit faster than Mach 3" hammer making weak excuses afterwards. You think we are going to buy that?

##Vote Eyeback

[Ouja]

A quicklynch alone does not scum make. Lazy and opportunistic much?

[W]

Oh, I am opertunistic/lazy and Nihlatak, with the same vote/post/idea about quicklynch isn't?

I said I didn't like your behaviour in D2 and would question it in D3 wouldn't I? Prblm?

[Ouja]

Oh, I am opertunistic/lazy and Nihlatak, with the same vote/post/idea about quicklynch isn't?

Both of you are lazy and opportunistic. Of the two in hindsight, I agree that Nihlatak should have earned the retort earlier, for his stupidity in scumteams on D3 with neither investigative results nor evidence to back his idea. "Guarding my scumbuddy" applies only when Bremm Sparkfist flips scum.

I said I didn't like your behaviour in D2 and would question it in D3 wouldn't I? Prblm?

You said that before the quickhammer. Quite frankly I am not seeing the 'questioning' of my behaviour other than semantics over how I word things.

I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.

[Ouja]

The trait, that is. I could care less about the sharing of it.

[Punch Hopper]

Conflict.
On one hand. When someone dies screaming someone's name as scum, it means something.
Even if the Beetle was trying to deflect the lynch from his color. Accidental good hunting?
On another hand. Eyeback used the Beetle as a reason to start looking at Bremm in the first place.
Surprise hammers delivered with confidence can come from either side.
Nihlatak picks up more minus points by voting the buddy instead of the one he finds as scum.

I want to see honest to goodness reads from both parties. Full reads of everyone. Who is town, who is scum? Will you finally lynch Barbarian with me today?
To answer what Bremm asked someone else. Yes, questions need to go somewhere. Why are you asking them? What conclusions did you get from them? This is how we see into your soul. I can't figure out what you've concluded from anything.
I can't figure out Eyeback either. He seriously does look to be finding reasons to follow the highest wagons. I don't find his explanations for switching cases satisfactory, they feel like excuses. The amount of confidence felt behind lynching the survivor when still certain the other wagon is definite scum is wrong as well.
If Eyeback is referring to the trait I believe he refers to I must ask what about it is anti-town.
I hope Nihiltak doesn't think I've forgotten him. He should know I have for now. Survivors aren't interesting.

[Skull]

Far as I'm concerned, Bremm is the buddy.

I was entirely afraid the guy I was voting might've become the lynch.

Afraid was the wrong word. Your quickhammer was still opportunistic.
We still have another survivor left. Would you place his lynch above that of the scumteam that's trying to kill us?

[Pesco]

Dry Hills Votecount

Eyeback (2): Nihlathak, Fire Eye
Bremm (1.5): Eyeback, Barbarian

Not voting: Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
94% time remaining

[Den-O]

Long story short Eyeback dies today.

##Vote Eyeback

I'm pretty sure this vote won't count which actually pisses me off quite a bit! But wait until another votecount occurs to confirm. I don't want a quicklynch, but I want my preference known.

Anyway, I'll be rereading Day 1. Starting to get some gut pings on my town reads because I should be dead by now. Even if I have Eyeback right, my lightning enchantment means he's immune to my vote and thusly I'm not a threat, especially if I have his buddies wrong. But, I'll be doing this reread after I do a ton of other stuff. Should come out later today.

[Ouja]

The amount of confidence felt behind lynching the survivor when still certain the other wagon is definite scum is wrong as well.

It is in a survivor's best interest to assist whatever team has a lead on victory. I'm not going to bet on them assisting us during LYLO, and neither should you.

If Eyeback is referring to the trait I believe he refers to I must ask what about it is anti-town.

I'll let Fire Eye claim that one. If he doesn't claim it, I'll do it for him, and I don't intend to hide anything about it.

So Fire Eye, claim or I'll do it for you. You still have the opportunity to claim while hiding the uninteresting parts: I'm only interested in revealing the anti-Town part, but if you insist on silence I'll claim everything I know instead.

Afraid was the wrong word. Your quickhammer was still opportunistic.

Terrible. I lynched whoever majority wanted lynched.
 

We still have another survivor left. Would you place his lynch above that of the scumteam that's trying to kill us?

If he spreads his arms out in love and hopes for mercy? Yes.
Actively hunt for one? No.

[Ouja]

Also, just so you understand my position on Survivor because MOTK is always going down the derp road when observing Survivors:

1 Town, 1 Survivor, 1 Scum
2 Town, 1 Scum

2 Town, 1 Survivor, 2 Scum
3 Town, 2 Scum

2 Town, 1 Survivor, 1 Scum

Five situations. Two of these are LYLO, one of these is potential LYLO, two of these are Game Over for Town. And in two of these, placing a vote first on a Townie wins them the game.

[Ouja]

Also,
##Unvote
##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

I am not sitting at L-2 by myself.

[Pesco]

Halls of the Dead Votecount

Eyeback (3): Nihlathak, Fire Eye, Rakanishu
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild

Eyeback is at L-1
10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
86% time remaining

[Den-O]

Counts as .5 it looks like. I'm fine with that.

What's INTERESTING is Eyeback's vote went from .5 to 1.

[Den-O]

##Unvote

Apparently I don't know how votes work and Pesco doesn't know how counting works.

##FoS Eyeback

Consider him at L-1. He should claim.

[Kick Hopper]

@Eyeback: I don't understand your logic. You believed me to be scum. Yet you then decide a claimed Survivor had a much higher priority then me. Was that the amount of confidence you had when you voted me? If so, then you yourself do not believe in me to be Scum. Also, with the way your votes have been moving, it looks more to me like your jumping the highest wagons.

If you put it like that then I guess I see the logic.
Also, you know you were already voting me right?


@Nihlathak: I need to ask, what did you mean by
Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads?

Also, by your answers, what your saying is "Everything I'm doing is because I believe it, reason can go out the window."
If this is not a correct interprete of your answers to my questions, then elaborate for me.

[Punch Hopper]

Dear Bremm and Eyeback:

Those do not look like general reads. This is an example for you!

Town
Rakanishu <--- This is where you want to be
---
---
---
Bloodwitch the Wild
----
The Summoner
Fire Eye
----
Corpsefire
Barbarian
----
----
Nihlathak (Survivscum)
Bremm Sparkfist <----- This is where you are because you're scummy
Eyeback the Unleashed <----- This is where you are because you're scummy
Scum

If you can't do this and explain your reasoning for each one you get to be scum.
Please actually look like you're trying to read.

Signed,
ColdyCraws

[Sasword]

I feel like I'm being ignored. Hey @ALMOST EVERYONE, I had questions for you, could you answer them?  :ohdear: I still want read justifications from Bieberian and Nickelback (Why am I missing from your post, by the way?). And Bremm, but it's pretty clear by now that he's not interested in providing reads just by his first post of today. Bremm needs to actually take a clear stance on something, anything.

I almost forgot about my question to Eyeback given I asked it days ago.

Eyeback's #254 makes me raise my eyebrows. What was so special about #169 that you chose to point it out over any of the other posts Bremm made? Not having reads is bad, as I've said, but what's wrong about asking Nihaldkjst for reads even if he has yet to provide his own?

As far as I can see #254 was the entirity of your case against Bremm, am I correct?

If you can't do this and explain your reasoning for each one you get to be scum.
Please actually look like you're trying to read.

Hey Coldcrow, that ladder doesn't actually tell me much given it could be easily constructed by skimming the thread for popular opinion. Could you elaborate a little?  :3
#345: Coldcrow, you think Beetleburst was paired with Sorceress despite not flipping survivor mason? Waffling between Bremm and Eyeback being town/scum despite the later list showing you think they're both scum? Also I already answered Bremm, but it's clear you haven't been reading my posts because you missed the post where I both answered him and asked you a question. Here:

Coldcrow, what do you think of Bremm, since I think you said you were going to look over him again? I also want a little clarification on this passage, since I've no idea what you're talking about.

Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>

I forgot Corpsefire was playing until I looked at the votecount. He should post whatever he has to give us something to work with.

At this point I'd lynch Eyeback over Bremm. (The quickhammer yesterday was a null tell imo because the lynch was happening anyway; I don't know why people are taking it as the be-all and end-all of scumminess). What I do dislike is his wafer-thin content. Bremm is similar, but his floundering is less scummy than Eyeback's general sleaziness.  More scum than mafia.

##FoS: Eyeback the Unleashed

Baby don't hurt me, baby don't hurt me, no more...

I'll post more after dinner, waking activities, and a reread.

[Kiva-la]

I forgot Corpsefire was playing until I looked at the votecount. He should post whatever he has to give us something to work with.

I honestly can't think of much other then what I've already said about Nihlathak and how they seem to want the summoner alive. They seem to say that the Summoner is their strongest town read when asked.

That and I assume the Lynchings if those 2 (Nihlathak and the Summoner) is related to someones win condition alongside the Countess seeing as they dropped a key. This is mostly based on what the keys did in Diablo 2, Who dropped them and what they where used for. If I had to guess who would win it would be Sorceress hinted at partner which may or may not be true or exist.

Personally I think Eyeback looks suspicious but I don't want to be hasty and vote right now.

[Sasword]

It's fine if you don't vote right now, because votes are weird. Still, who do you think is scum? What does Nickelback wanting to keep the Summoner alive mean to you? Why do you think Eyeback looks suspicious? Opinions are a good thing. Setup speculation is fun and dandy but it's not really useful for us.