Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)

[W]

Well, Bloodwitch that link you gave me clarifies more than enough for me. Thanks.

Also, let me clear this: I asked this question because obviously I have no idea what the hell was going when I woke up this morning. (GDI timezones, always making me read so many crap afterwards)

I didn't knew what to think of this Survivor role and Sorceress claim. Hence, the public question. Provided with the info, I went back to read Sorceress D1 and D2 posts. And reading her posts still doesn't give me town-reads.

Raka, you were right when you said I was mistaking for tunneling Summoner early on. Remember? you called me out on why I didn't vote for Sorceress, and kept on tunneling on Summoner? Well all my questions are answered by Summoner. And like Bloodwitch and Coldcrow said, there is no guarantee in her role claim.

On the other hand.... I have lots of questions for Eyeback in D3...but that is for Day 3

[Kabuto]

@Beetle:  I started with that ability.  And... wait, you believe me and then treat me as something completely different?  When did "cult" enter your thought process?

@Beetle:  ... huh, I thought Charged Bolt was specifically your ability.

I... also thought the Charged Bolt was your ability, since that's what Beetles do.  I can't really test that theory at the moment because of the obvious ramifications, so yeah. 

Ah, so you had the Governer ability the start of D1.  The reason I asked was that Summoner as since stated that your lynch was "not going to happen" because of something in his role.  I think he knew you had a governer ability.   I wonder why he didn't point this out D1 since self-governer abilities are anti-town.  Considering he already revealed he had a role anyway (and it seemed to be a significant PR), I really can't see what stopped him from going further.  If you flip non-scum, I will seriously consider the prospect of Summoner Scum.  I remember Fire-eye getting exsasperated over this D1. (could mean he is indeed the partner)

Charged bolt is my innate ability.  people paying closer attention (as you did) might have seen a 0.5 bolt slapped on barbarian for voting me.  I doubt it affects people with lightning immunity's though, since I voted Bremm and have no bolt in return.  Also it may not trigger if the vote itself only counts for 1/2.  Although my role pm didn't say anything specific about that.  That means that Raka and Bremm's "lightning enchanted" is probably different from mine.  Look for it again D3, first thing btw.   It may mean Scomething.

[Faiz]

I dunno what's up with Summoner's "role related reasons", unless it truly is insider info (which in that case I don't even know what anymore).  I still don't understand why you were thinking cult though.

I think your ability may be unique to you instead of being a general Lightning Enchanted ability.  IIRC, Beetles were the monster type that had innate CHARGED BOLT WHY.

[Kabuto]

I first thought cult because there are two of you, and it made some sense to go with your supposed wincon.  Possibly someone was recruited, in which case you had no partner D1.  You sound powerful for a cult, but also powerful for a surviver. 

I remember dozens of smarming bettles Act 2 with electricity flying everywhere while I was running and laying traps as an assassin.  Of course I remember fighting raka Act 1 with lightning spewing from him as well.

[Kabuto]

##Unvote

Keeping it Kosher.

[Kabuto]

Oh, that's what made me uneasy.  the votecount on Bremm  got changed from 2.5 --> 3.5.

[Punch Hopper]

Sorceress should see from the reaction to her claim that her partner has all kinds of reasons to lie. :V Change very easily policy lynched to absolutely certainly policy lynched with no chance of being nightkilled.

@Coldcrow: I like it! The thing is though, the multiple scumteam spec with no real basis for it feels more like someone who's part of a 2 scum team who's finally seen some things click.

Fire Eye defending Sorc so blatantly gives me huge partner tells from him.

Fire Eye not knowing what a Survivor is gives me huge I am Not A Survivor tells.

That's an interesting theory. 2 scum and 2 survivors would be balanced in this setup? It really rides on how much truth Sorceress is telling.

[Sasword]

I was a bit confused when Sorc mentioned the Prime Evils due to them not being mentioned in my PM, but then I saw this from the opener.

The Prime Evils, Mephisto, Diablo and Baal, roam the lands disguised. Their mere presence taints the air. To defeat a demon, one must become a demon themselves and not lose hold of sanity. Bounty hunters, adventurers, monsters and heroes have gathered to root out The Three. But at the same time, to attain glory, rivals need to be removed too.

So there's at least a 3-person scumteam in the game, I think.

[Kiva-la]

Alright I have just replaced and I'll need to do some rereading and some thinking.

First things first though

##Unvote

I need to reread before I can commit to this or say much other then that I think they key that dropped when The Countess died is for someones win condition.

As for this

I remember dozens of smarming bettles Act 2 with electricity flying everywhere while I was running and laying traps as an assassin.  Of course I remember fighting raka Act 1 with lightning spewing from him as well.

Anything Lightning Enchanted could spew charged bolts upon being struck.

[Pesco]

Cathedral Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Nihlathak, Coldcrow, The Summoner
Bremm Sparkfist (3): Bloodwitch, Barbarian, Eyeback
The Summoner (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Beetleburst, Corpsefire

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
33% time remaining

[Kiva-la]

I'm willing to support any lynch except Summoner, who is one of the very few town reads I have this game.

May I ask why you think The Summoner is town? You haven't really posted that much to make why you think that clear.

[Skull]

I believe Sorc's claim. Still willing to lynch for information since she's not town, but she's also still not Mafia.
Since Sorc is no longer mafia, Raka is also no longer not-mafia. I can't tell if Her pushing Sorc is in part due to opportunism or if it's just playstyle.

In any case, at least two or three of the main scumteam are in this list:

Fire Eye
Bremm Sparkfist
Corpsefire
Eyeback the Unleashed
Beetleburst

Cut: As for why I think summoner is town, It has a lot to do with the tone of his posts.

##Unvote: Sorc
##Vote: Bremm Sparkfist Either lynch will work, but I prefer Bremm slightly more since I think this will hit closer to the mark.

[Den-O]

My GOD Nihlathak just gets worse and worse. Why are you changing your vote with less than 30% of the game day left? Trying to opportunist your way into a mislynch, scum?

Kill. With. FIRE!

Also, to be honest I actually think Sorc is mafia. I have no reason to believe this beyond GUT =D. It makes NO LOGICAL SENSE...but it just *feels* that way.

[Kick Hopper]

@Eyeback: Your 254 post confuses me.
If your not making heads or tails of this game, for what reason do you believe you would think clearly on a specific target?

@Nihlathak: Your post 258
...What did you mean by "I wouldn't let something like L-1.5 stop me."
This is extremely questionable. Also, I state once again,

Why do you answer so subtly?
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.

@Barbarian: Then we have nothing to say.

@Bloodwitch: Does asking questions have to lead somewhere in order to ask them?

At the moment I find Nihlathak leaning scum, due to his suspicious and ...strangely scary content today.
Barbarian as neutral leaning scum due to his complete reliance on GUT.

@Sorceress: ...So in accordance to Beetleburst's link...and in conjunction with what everyone is saying...Survivor is a High priority lynch.

[Kick Hopper]

@EBoDP

@Nihlathak : You may ignore my part of "What are your reads".

So you believe 2 or 3 out of the 5 listed are scum.
Do you have any reason for stating "out of these 5 people, atleast 2 or 3 are scum"?

Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?

You believe me to be closer to scum then Sorceress. Is there any reasons for this?

[Kick Hopper]

@EBWODP:
By: Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?
I mean for Summoner.

[Faiz]

@Coldcrow:  Seeing the reactions,  I'd actually have to agree with you now  :colonveeplusalpha:

@Nihlathak:  ... At least he gave us a list we might be able to look into for his scumbuddies? Maybe?

##Unvote
##Vote: Nihlathak

@Mod:  In case of a tie at deadline, who will wind up lynched?

[pesco]Whoever reached that vote value first[/pesco]

[Decade]

-Sorc must die because even if she's a survivor, it's very likely she's lying about Prime Evils dying being her wincon (If it's true she'd basically be Town that has to be alive when Town wins to actually win, and we wouldn't need to kill her, but we can't afford to take this risk)

-Bremm and Nihlathak are still scum. Coldcrow/Raka/Beetleburst are still town.

Bremm: I'm glad we managed to reach this conclusion! :3 I had an absolutely cordial time together with you. We should do this again sometime.

-Bloodwitch: Unless there are townies who had Prime Evils mentioned in their rolepm as wincon, Bloodwitch is now confirmed town. At least, she is to me. Saying this would be a huge gamble for a scum because they wouldn't know what a town's rolepm said, and if it was contradictory, then they could possibly be instantly outed. If anyone has an issue with my logic here, please leave a complaint and I'll get back to you on that.

I am now falling into the state of waffle where I doubt the validity of all my reads and start thinking the ones I had pegged as scum are just derptown and that I still have absolutely no idea who is or is not scum. So I'm going to tape my mouth closed now and continue going on Bremm and Nih being scum and Sorc needing to die until we've got some delicious flips and such.

Oh cut by stuff.

[Ryuki]

The reason I asked was that Summoner as since stated that your lynch was "not going to happen" because of something in his role.

What? I never said anything of that sort.

Also, Sorc's claim is most likely a scum fakeclaim.
1) Claimed Survivor, so to try and survive later as a non-priority 3rd party
2) Claimed information role, and gave out USELESS INFORMATION, attempting to survive another day. CLASSIC SCUM CLAIM.
3) Claimed Self Governor, making us even more discouraged at trying to lynch her currently.
4) Claimed Third Party, WITH A PARTNER. Now she's trying to sidetrack town by getting them to look for a 3rd party, which may or may not exist.

Look at the results. Now town is floundering around trying to figure out priorities. The number 1 priority should ALWAYS be to hunt for scum.

Oh cut twice.

[Skull]

Do you have any reason for stating "out of these 5 people, atleast 2 or 3 are scum"?

Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads

Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?

I admit I don't.

You believe me to be closer to scum then Sorceress. Is there any reasons for this?

Like I said, I don't think Sorc is faking her role. What Summoner says about trying to last another day might be true, but if she were fake claiming, I personally think she'd come up with something less obviously scummy than claiming not-town.

@Raka: So I was scum for (supposedly) putting Sorc at L-0.5 earlier in the day, but now I'm scum for taking Sorc from L-0.5. Which is it?

[Den-O]

Both. The day was at around 50% when you voted. It is now below 30% unless Pesco is REALLY NICE about activity. We need a lynch, and I'd prefer a conclusive one so that bullshit can't occur later.

[Skull]

May as well address this, too.

Why do you answer so subtly?
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.

I could, and have before written paragraph long essays. I could comb though a person's post, and pick out every little piece of bullshit they spouted, and put it on display for the rest of town to see. I can, and spend many games, running through each post, and paraphrasing the opinions and things I noticed in their posts in a point-by-point-analysis. I could do all of this, and you guys would still read me as clearly as you are now. In fact I've developed a lot of bad habits as a result of this playstyle.

Cut: It's been 20% of the day, and it's only been a day so far. I don't see what the problem is with my voting pattern, unless you wanted a lynch now. In fact, why not hate on the people who are still voting for the wagons that aren't going to go anywhere, or not voting at all? They're not even getting their hands dirty with the potential for being on a myslynch.

[Kabuto]

I'm checking this thread quickly, and am doing other stuff, but I can only imagine Sorc as the only viable lynch.

I don't see "town floundering" and I highly doubt some "bullshit" will occur at this point.

##Vote: Sorceress  to L-0.5 again.

Please raise your hand if one of you monsters would be willing to hammer at an appropriate time.

@Summoner, My memory might be off, I'll check and get back to you in an hour or two.

[Den-O]

Nih, do you even read votecounts? The last one, 6 hours ago, says we had 33% of the day left.

Secondly, I'll probably be getting to them after I have flips, you're just the most blatantly obvious scum.

Thirdly, you lurked for more than 24 hours. It has been almost ANOTHER 24 since you first deigned to post in the thread after your lurkscumness. What the hell is wrong with you?

[Skull]

What the hell is wrong with you?

In fact I've developed a lot of bad habits as a result of this playstyle.

[Punch Hopper]

I believe Sorc's claim. Still willing to lynch for information since she's not town, but she's also still not Mafia.
Since Sorc is no longer mafia, Raka is also no longer not-mafia. I can't tell if Her pushing Sorc is in part due to opportunism or if it's just playstyle.

Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>

-Bloodwitch: Unless there are townies who had Prime Evils mentioned in their rolepm as wincon, Bloodwitch is now confirmed town. At least, she is to me. Saying this would be a huge gamble for a scum because they wouldn't know what a town's rolepm said, and if it was contradictory, then they could possibly be instantly outed. If anyone has an issue with my logic here, please leave a complaint and I'll get back to you on that.

This is a bad question that no one should answer. The most likely role pm's to include mention of the Prime Evil's are those with roles that directly affect them. I believe your logic holds for clearing Bloodwitch as town. Sadly for you, it does not cease implicating you as scum.

Let's not fight about playstyles. Knowing they're bad habits, you should attempt to kick them. Nihlathak would find his opinions get listened to more if he didn't come off as the creepy ghoul in the corner lurking, watching, waiting for his chance to feast on someone's brains.

[Pesco]

Catacombs Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Beetleburst
Bremm Sparkfist (4): Bloodwitch, Barbarian, Eyeback, Nihlathak
Nihlathak (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Bremm is at L-1
Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Corpsefire

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
29% time remaining

[W]

Just woke up and thought my time zone would cause 573496738 new messages again. But surprisingly that wasn't the case.

And I am wondering, how like do people want to wait anyway?

[W]

...... note to self: do not try to type after just waking up.  Like == Long.

"And I am wondering, how long do people want to wait anyway"

[Sasword]

Do we have around a day left?

I want time at least to make a few more posts addressing some stuff.

Fire Eye, your opinions on Sorc/Bremm?