Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)

[OOO]

Vanilla townie isn't my role name, that's why I said it's a more flavorful Vanilla.
But I am a townie who has no night actions so I am basically Vanilla.

[DiEnd]

What's your actual role name, then?

[OOO]

The Countess - Superunique

[Kabuto]

But I am a townie who has no night actions so I am basically Vanilla.

Your real title checks out. But the words you used here are couched. no night actions != no actions.  Same to "basically Vanilla"

Thus besides your immunities, and your real title, you have nothing more special?

I have yet to do my reading throughly, but my gut certainly hasn't changed.  (your child-like glee doesn't seem scummy).

I'll wake up early in the morning to spend a time to make a concrete judgement.

##unvote
##vote: summoner

My last vote was a source of info for me and others of my kind~

[Kabuto]

That was L -0.5 btw. 

[DiEnd]

Hmm. I'm assuming that if you're telling the truth, then all roles are called Superunique, given that I have that role title as well but also have a night action.

[OOO]

Then obviously it isn't really Super"unique" if you have that name too. That's still the role though, nothing special.
But I'm not going to assume that all roles are called Superunique unless you all want to reveal your role names and it turns out that everyone is Superunique.

[W]

I don't know what to think of Countess any more. Dual immune with no abilities... my gut tells me it is possible, but then again we can be never asure. The shouting ranting I also believe was not something cute thrown to cover up minor issues.

Summoner, start claiming and talking, because you haven't explained anything yet to us. Right now you feeling oh-so-scummy. More than countess or sorceress.

[Pesco]

Tower Cellar Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (5.5): The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback, Barbarian, Beetleburst
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa, Sorceress

Not voting: None

The Countess is at L-1
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
21% time remaining.
If a lynch is reached, no more vote changes will be counted. Consider the period as Twilight until I post the results.

[DiEnd]

Oh, I forgot about her dual immunities.
I buy the roleclaim with that. A functional vanilla with voting-related applications feels really plausible in this game.  Superunique is most likely Troll Pesco. I've also been having the nagging feeling that Countess is town, so.

##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress
I still think the Summoner isn't a good lynch, though I guess it's possible his claim will change my mind. Leaving my vote here for now in hopes this will take off again. I swear it feels like I'm the only person who actually suspects Sorc at this point, and that everybody else just keeps her at the back of their mind but refuses to actually vote her.

[OOO]

Isn't Summoner supposed to be at L-0.5?

[OOO]

Also I suspect Sorc but I suspect Summoner more.

[OOO]

By Summoner being at L-0.5 I mean there is no mention of it.
Also I'm going now and I'll be back in 1-2 hours.

[Punch Hopper]

I have doubts in activity.
My voice will hopefully add to our time.
This votecount is confused. I would add my voice to Sorceress again.
But I am no judge of time. My vote is now spent better here.

##Unvote
##Vote: The Countess

One reveal is enough. Stop encouraging comparisons.

[Pesco]

Tamoe Highlands Votecount

Barbarian (0.5): Charged Bolt
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (5.5): The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback, Barbarian, Beetleburst
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Sorceress, Coldcrow
Sorceress (1): Ancient Kaa

Not voting: None

The Countess has been lynched.

The Countess was Superunique
The Countess drops
Key of terror
Great Helm (Unique)
Spetum (Rare)
Spiked Club (Rare)
Eth rune

Night 1 begins. You have 24 hours to send in an action. If you choose to do nothing, please say so. If you don't send in an action it will be assumed you're doing nothing. Day 2 will begin when all actions are in.

[Pesco]

Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.

[Pesco]

Ancient Kaa the Soulless was killed.

Ancient Kaa was a Superunique

The Pit Votecount

Sorceress (0.5): Poisoned

Not voting: Everyone

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
100% time remaining

[Den-O]

So, first I was going to yell at everyone for there being no posts between the time I went to bed and the time I woke up but...uh...that was like 3 hours, with day starting 5 hours ago.

Anyway, the tl;dr of my hatred is that Sorceress probably needs death today, I'm willing to take a second look at the Summoner case, I really look with interest into Corpsefire, and that I vaguely remember being unimpressed with Beetleburst but there are fairly obvious reasons for his absence yesterday and it's only natural his opinions would have been just a bit less than impressive given time constraints. I am hoping he puts up a much better display today.

The long version is I actually need to reread the game to make sure I still like these reads so, I'll be doing that!

[Den-O]

OH RIGHT NIHLATHAK. He's still awful too. I actually completely forgot about him since he's done absolutely nothing. I imagine this reread will consist of me deciding which of Sorceress or Nihlathak makes me want to beat my head against the wall more. Page 1 is surprisingly useless at this point except to make Corspefire look worse and Sorceress look the same.

Wait. What? I even pointed this out at the time. It looks significantly worse given Kaa's flip. Wow, way to completely forget things on my part.

Hey Kaa, how do you...oh...

* Rakanishu looks down awkwardly

Um, anyway, I bet if Kaa were alive he'd think that Summoner vote was slimy. (Re: this post and catching opportunistic scum)

This Summoner post makes me cry, but to be honest it leads me to conclude derp town. You know, like I SHOULD have on Countess. If anyone lacks a life and has some spare time, could they show me a time where early newb unvoting without a new place for their vote was actually coming from scum?

Summoner 58:Read this and answer me, Summoner. Why did you choose to vote Sorceress HERE as opposed to after you unvoted Kaa due to misunderstanding him? You are permitted to link back to a prior answer if given.

Summon 60: Question stands. If you didn't want your vote floating around, why didn't you vote before?

You know, as of Sorceress 62, I'm canceling both my derp town read of Summoner and also my request for derp newbscum unvoting and not revoting.

Hrm...ok, I'm getting the impression Sorceress and Summoner are not the same alignment. Yeah, I know, but bussing is a thing, but no. Their interactions don't really feel...forced, at all. As for why they are different alignments is because I refuse to believe both of them are town.

Sorceress 65: Read this and answer me, Sorceress. What about Corpse's lack of vote for Kaa's mysterious behavior makes him scummy? It's very unclear why we should find this weird, particularly when contrasted with Barbarian

Corpsefire 74: Read this and answer me, Corpsefire. Why the Summoner hate with no mention of Sorceress?

Fire Eye 77: Hey, nice to meet you, don't think I've mentioned you at all this entire game. Read this and answer me, Fire Eye. What made Summoner worse than Sorceress for you?

Just reminding you all this is still why Nih dies eventually

Barbarian 80: Read this and answer me, Barbarian. Why didn't you even MENTION Sorceress in this post? You manage to avoid mentioning her at all, really, in any meaningful read capacity

Summoner 101: Lackluster but redeeming, though Sorceress DID revote you after her reads.

Coldcrow 103: Hey! I've wanted an excuse to talk to you all game and now I have one! Read this and answer me, Coldcrow. Do you still think Sorceress is town? Please note that there is a plethora of people who have managed to find some excuse to vote Summoner over her, and your favored vote outright ignored her.

Sorceress 119 This post bugs me because it feels like a lot of crowdpleasing and little real substance.

Summoner 121: I LOVE YOU! Seriously, WHY THE FUCK WAS SUMMONER EVER A VIABLE WAGON! WHAT THE HELL!?

Fire Eye 130: Read this and answer, Fire Eye. How is Sorceress exactly not bothering you, while she has posted nothing of substance except empty summoner hate?

Fire Eye 142: Read this and answer, Fire Eye. This post has Sorc hate. It has Summoner hate. What makes Summoner worse than Sorc!?

Corpsefire 146 This post makes me cringe. All of these are regurgitated opinions. There's not a lick of originality in this entire thing. There's a lot of reporteryness, but at least there ARE solid reads. What interests me is that he agrees with the points on Sorc, but doesn't bother restating any. He restates a lot of OTHER opinions though. So why not Sorc?

Eyeback 148: Read this and answer me, Eyeback. May I ask why Summoner is worse than Sorc? To be honest, Summoner's posts were pretty town in the interval you state.

Sorceress 165: Read this and answer me, Sorceress. When you say Countess misrep, do you mean people misrepping her or her misrepping people? Otherwise this is a decent post, but reeks of too little too late. It's pretty clear who's going to get lynched at this point, and it's people who are Not Sorceress. With the pressure off, fakereads are easier.

To be clear, I'm fairly sure everyone is a Superunique.

And finally, Pesco, the votecount might be fine. You forgot to count Ancient Kaa's vote in the final votecount.

Oh God, tl;dr post coming next.

[Den-O]

tl;dr: First, how did I spend TWO HOURS on that post without getting cut? Activity is ABYSMAL. POST, people

Secondly, I've concluded this.

One scum in Sorceress/Summoner (Sorceress). The reason for this is said in my big post, I don't feel bussing here but I refuse to believe they're both town. Town doesn't do that stuff.

One or two scum in Fire Eye/Corpsefire/Barbarian (Barbarian). This grouping is because these people found convenient reasons to avoid Sorceress, more notably than anyone else. Barbarian in particular managed to go all of D1 without mentioning her in any meaningful capacity. If Sorc is scum, Barb is most likely her buddy. Call it 20/15/65 percent wise.

Zero to One scum in Bremm/Nihlathak (Nihlathak): This is the group of useless people. They've pretended to be active but have produced nothing of value. They're in that sweet spot for scum where they're scummy but not TOO scummy. I could honestly go for a Nih lynch today if I can't get my way on Sorc. But you want me to get my way on Sorc. Sorc is scum, and if she's not we gain a wealth of information from her.

Now! Sorceress is scum because in general through D1 she was hanging back and not really getting engaged.
Barbarian is scum mostly associatively with Sorceress, but his Post 80 is awful to the point of mostly being IIoA. I get bad vibes from him.
Nihlathak is scum because his only two posts were a vote for me, and a post that was more or less just saying things were wrong without actually producing any content. There's also a soft defense of sorceress but associative tells, etc.

Anyone I didn't mention is most likely town.

[Den-O]

EBWOP: Because QUAD POSTING IS TOWN

All the bolded in my long post (which is quite a lot, I'm sorry), is important questions I want answered. They'll help me reassess my reads a lot.

[W]

Right.

You keep asking me why Summoner was more awful than Sorceress? Because summoner has NOT bothered to help us hunt scum before D1 ended, but remained awfully silent after Kaa pressed him on the panic.

What the hell was there to panic anyway? He claims he was put to L-1 by Eyeback and panicked (#155). The votecount never stated he was on L-1. Something tells me that Summoner is acting stupid about his role. Take a look at #152. Why the hell quote yourself and then come up with nothing at the end of the post. And also why does he says: "the lynch isn't happening". And then he comes off with a vote out of the blue on countess?!?! sense, zero.

Sorceress is still coming off scummy as ever, as she was in D1. You pointed out my #141. And you also read my extreme frowning at her saying "I will change if I am convinced". Is it really hard to read stuff for yourself and make up your own decision?

This is why I think Summoner came off worse than Sorceress. Confusing us, not helping scum hunt and claiming odd things without any leading.

[Den-O]

...
First

##Vote Sorceress. How I forgot that I don't know.

Second, where's your vote?

Third, sure, I read (probably not as closely at that point, 200 posts is a lot to read an analyze), and I beg to differ. Summoner feels like newb town failhunting. I find it incredibly interesting just how adversarial you are about this, Fire Eye. Anyway "I will change if I'm convinced" is still very conveniently avoiding the Sorc wagon.

Fourth, where did Sorc EVER actually hunt scum? The closest I can think of is post 165. (Also, that wasn't supposed to be all bold on 165)

And fifth, I do kind of see where you're coming from but I feel you're not reading Summoner closely enough.

[W]

We are the only two talking in this dead mafia game right now, aren't you kind of forgetting that still tons of others need to start talking? I think you should calm down because people have real lives. I posted my previous post in hurry before dinner getting scolded by my parents for not joining the table.

Anyway... putting aside real life cockblocks:

I like how you keep shoving words in my words such as "avoiding". Maybe you want to go read the vote counts on who actually avoided what. Plenty of people avoided because we are SURROUNDED by lurkers and fence sitters not helping us. Pretty obvious why things go like this now, don't they?

Oh yea. Let me ask you, why are you being so defensive for Summoner? I am sure he has the fingers(mouth) to type something himself?  Newbie town failhunter? Did you just ignored my  #201 where I pressed on Summoner's odd claims stating he won't be lynched?

[Kabuto]

I have finished a through read-though and have solidified a few of my reads. 

In my next post I'll elucidate why I think Bremm is Scum. 

For now, I want to clear up the end of Day 1 votecount.   I really hope that Pesco didn't miscount the number of votes on Countess and revealed her alignment prematurely and was forced to lynch her anyways after the mistake.

Irregardless, Coldcrow your vote had full power even though you are a cold type.  I suspect something happened with your "multi-shot" ability that had an additional effect on the Votecount.  Considering you were the hammerer, and made no mention (and in fact, denied) that your vote would have full power when the Countess' wagon was already big and nearing enough votes for a lynch, I find this scummy.  I ask that you claim your innate power, "multishot."

Raka, I grow wary when people base a lot of their scum-hunting on a house of cards.  In this case Sorc scum is unproven, although you pay mute tribute to that by saying one of Summoner/Sorc is scum, you base almost everything on Sorc scum afterwards.

Please wait warmly for the case on Bremm Scum.   

[Den-O]

@Fire Eye: Because I defend my town reads. The wagon on him was fucking awful and you should feel bad. Do you people even bother reading for intent or do you just want to lynch bad players (and yes, I'm guilty with Countess). Finally, let's see how many times you voted Sorceress. OH WAIT, ZERO! That's pretty avoidant, yo. As for his claims, hell, that's something I'd say. I don't see what's scummy about it.

Seriously, just flat out list your case on him. Concise, a few sentences with your strongest points. I'll let him defend it, but I'm fairly sure I know what it's going to boil down to.
Also, let's clear the air. Am I scum because I'm defending Summoner?

@Beetle: You're sorely misreading me, Beetleburst. While most of my focus IS on the sorc/summoner wagons (there is scum there, therefore behavior around the wagons is important), there are individually scummy things in the people I named. In fact, my last tier is completely unrelated to Sorc, though I can tie it into that. The only tier of scum that actually falls apart is Fire/Corpse/Barb.

Bremm I can buy, but thoughts on Summoner, Sorceress? Unless something drastic happens, I'd really rather it boil down to those two.

[Faiz]

Blarghl RL morning.  To Raka:

#65:  Corpse's lack of moving his random vote along with his early posting (until the post where he put his vote on Summoner) meant I had no idea how he actually felt on anyone despite his activity, bonus points for ignoring Coldcrow/Nih.

#165:  "misleading us as to what he thinks (when he voted Sorceress then claimed he thought she was town)" is what I meant.

Anyways, while I can forgive Bloodwitch and Beetleburst for their lackluster D1s because they've been replaced,  Nihlathak needs pressure. He was by far the worst about giving us nothing to work with yesterday.  Summoner I need to reread, since two of the people that caused me to sway off his wagon at the end of the day have since flipped town,  and I need to do the same for Coldcrow/Fire Eye.  Also don't like Corpsefire disappearing for the end of D1, seems too convenient.   Raka I'm fairly confident in right now:  I can understand his early plan to get reactions from the unexplained vote since he'd already established himself to do that.  It was Kaa that I was finding the scummier out of those two, especially after requesting the claim on Summoner.  Barb I'm kinda annoyed with, especially the end of the day  :wikipedia:,  needs something more than GUT =D

(And everyone else is boring and stuff)

And of course cuts, with a nice catch by Beetleburst, although seeing as the end of day was botched:

@Mod: Can you confirm if the end of day votecount was correct?

[Kabuto]

Quickly Answering Raka while I finish my case on Bremm.

In short: 

People I'm looking at hard and who I think are most likely scum:

Bremm > Summoner ~ Sorc > Coldcrow ~ Corspefire ~ Nik.  I'm waiting for coldcrow.  I haven't decided yet who is scum out of Summoner/Sorc but I think they are individually scummy, not that one must be scum.  One thing that separates them is that I don't need to use any gut with Sorc, while gut comes into the equation when judging Summoner.  I'll elaborate more later.  Priorities~

Sorc, try not to mince words.  I understand that the "catch" was the end of day votecount, (btw I think that was blindingly obvious, esp after Countess' immediate RAGE post afterwards, don't worry, I read it ;p), but do you think coldcrow is scummy for that mechanic, as I do?

[Pesco]

Monastery Gate Votecount

Sorceress (1.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu

Not voting: Everyone else

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
80% time remaining

If I'm off by 1 or more votes, then there might be a mistake. Otherwise, all previous votecounts are correct.

[Kabuto]

Almost done with my case. 

But really.

The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Sorceress, Coldcrow

Is that count correct, and is it correct to say that Countess was lynched with 5 votes without mod error?

[pesco]That's the fully counted and correct value of the votes[/pesco]

Also, I'm putting out a motion for the person responsible for poisoning Sorc to claim it.