Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)

[Ryuki]

Because I'm still waiting on Sorc to respond, not much stands out to me right now, and it's better than leaving my vote floating around. And added pressure wouldn't really hurt now, would it?

[Faiz]

I'm going to read through the Raka/Kaa/Corpse interactions closely after dinner, but first a few things.

@Raka:  I'm still standing by the point that when someone winds up suddenly hammered,  I'm not accepting "whoops didn't know"

Summoner may have thought that the first argument was null on both sides, but the random vote afterwards brought up red flags for me.  Good enough for page 1 at least.

Unvote, vote coming after readthrough

[Den-O]

Funnily enough, nothing in Sorceress' latest post makes me want to not vote her. I wonder why that is~?

Still, looking forward to your interaction analysis. You know, the one with no flips. And 2 pages of material. It'll be good, I'm sure .

[Ryuki]

"Random Votes... Red Flags"

[DiEnd]

##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress
What the hell? Did you just try to retcon a weak case into an even weaker one? The explanation for your Summoner vote looks like a flimsy excuse, given that your original reasoning made more sense and you did nothing to explain why the random vote brought up red flags for you. That's enough to solidify my scum read of you over my scum read of Corpsefire, because it looks like you're tripping over yourself in a manner that a townie with a townie thought process wouldn't do.

It should be noted that this does not mean Corpsefire is in the clear for me.

[Faiz]

The main thing that bothers me about the Kaa/Corpse interaction is that Corpse is so focused on Kaa and is evidently playing 20 Questions but has yet to move his random vote.  Opinions on Kaa aside,  I do find that quite telling. FoS Corpse At least Barbarian brought a vote with his skepticism.

As for Raka/Kaa, Raka's plan I don't mind but the fact that they seemed in sync right from the moment Raka put his vote down bothers me.  Getting townie vibes though, Raka moreso.

Everyone else has either been calling for my head or has 1 or 0 posts so can't tell much about them yet  :derp:

Cut@Kaa:  I felt that the immunity argument was enough to get us out of RVS, which is why I didn't like the random vote.  The fact that he decided OOH BANDWAGON before the person he asked for posting for could do so I don't like either.  Vote Summoner

[DiEnd]

If you don't mind me asking, what's your opinion on Coldcrow?

[Faiz]

To be honest, of the people that have posted I'd probably say worse than Corpse.  Came in after me with the second vote on Summoner on page 1 (which I'm actually wondering how that didn't go unnoticed, thnking on it), and I'm wondering what her views are on the Kaa wagon after post 54, wrong votecounts be damned.

[Punch Hopper]

Way to not notice I exist.
Noone is going to whoops a hammer. The vote mechanic was in the first rules page
The votecounts make it obvious.
Too much noise.
Nihlathak needs to exist with a real post this time.
Want more from Barbarian. Don't like this.

Anyway, I can't see how you can just decide to agree on a vote that doesn't have any reasoning on it. Not that there's anything WRONG with Raka's vote, but your reaction is weird.

Sounds like you agreed with it too. There's nothing wrong with it but Kaa thinking it's good is bad. Explain?
The rest of the game needs to exist.

Kaa wagon is bad. Feelings done.

[OOO]

Oh, wow I was not expecting this to start so early.
brb readan.

[Pesco]

The Cave Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Corpsefire,
Sorceress (4): Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (2): Bremm Sparkfist, Barbarian
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (1): Sorceress

Not voting:: The Countess, Fire Eye, Bloodwitch, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
89% time remaining.

[OOO]

Early opinions yay!!!
It probably isn't the right time for this but oh well.
Corpsefire:
Started an argument with Rakanishu, not looking good for either of them, but I think it looks worse for Corpsefire as he appears to lag behing Raka. But
last game it turned out that the stronger arguer was scum, so he could possibly be town (doesn't mean I definitely think he is though). Kaa's #15
definitely brings up a good point though. He looks suspicious but I don't think he looks that bad. Neutral leaning slightly scum.
I would like someone to explain the real case.

Coldcrow:
Seems suspicious. Almost like someone who is very arrogant in a bad way. It also seems as if he might want the day to hurry up and end too. The
mention of bandwagoning is suspicious. Only scum would want to quicklynch someone like that without good evidence(unless Sorceress is
Shadoweh. In that case I'm fine with a quicklynch). The mention about the vote mechanic in the first page isn't really a reason for anything
considering what happened in CotA with the talk about plurality lynches. Though I definitely agree that the Kaa wagon is bad. Neutral leaning slightly
scum.

Ancient Kaa the Soulless:
Kaa is definitely looking townish to me. Not saying he definitely is town but instead saying he looks like it. He appeared to get off to a rough start but I
don't think he was all that bad. His reasoning seems good enough and he definitely has enough content (though I won't judge those much just yet, as
not everyone has posted to my knowledge).

Summoner:
First post could've definitely done with some more to it. Then ends up claiming everyone looks the same, I know that few people had actually posted by
then but there were definitely some suspicious people then. It's almost as if he doesn't want to try and read the game much. Third on the Kaa wagon
doesn't look that good. The strange gap of activity also seems slightly suspicious as it happened during all that drama about Raka and Corpse IIRC, it's as
if he was trying to avoid talking about that, but I'm not going to judge that either as it could possibly be that he was doing something else. Pretty much
all of his posts are one liners (the only ones that aren't are ones with votes and unvotes in them). I think he is leaning scum.

Rakanishu:
I think he is looking townish. He certainly is showing good activity levels (though it is early game so it's not too important), and I understand why he was
talking about claiming immunities. Althought I'm curious as to how this would've played out if our immunities weren't already displayed. He is making
enough sense to me. He does look like he is doing a bit of tunneling on Sorceress though. He is looking town to me.

Sorceress:
I don't neccesarily think Sorceress is that scummy. She is a little suspicious but not so suspicious it's scummy. I understand her stance on accidental
lynching (though I don't really think there will be any this game either). I'm not sure I really like all the hate that she's been getting (especially from
Summoner who doesn't look that good). Her post #61 didn't look good at all though. Isn't looking too good but isn't looking too bad either IMO.
Leaning possible scum but gut says derptown, so I'm really unsure of what to think of her at the moment. Also she keeps forgetting these (##).
I would definitely like someone to explain the real case on her.

So let's vote!
##Vote: Summoner

Also sorry if the format is a bit annoying as I typed this up in notepad.
And I'm going somewhere for the next 3-4 hours so I can't post during that time. I will try to post after that time though.

[Sasword]

## Vote Fire Eye
because fire is scary...

[Kiva-la]

Uhh, Countess, did you just place the Sorceress at L1?

-Reading the rest of the game again now-

[Kiva-la]

First of all, I completely apologize to Rakanishu about my first post.
I somehow failed to read the "actually against" part of the post.

Since Kaa's response, I've had nothing against the guy.

For now, I'm going to put my vote here.
##Vote The Summoner
The Summoner's first post appears to be an indirect method of trying to push my case. (which I admit was completely wrong because I failed to read)
Afterwards, instead of even trying to analyze the events that had just occurred, The Summoner instead returns to RVS.
I am also going to ask The Summoner for an updated read on Kaa.
In addition, you hop onto the bandwagon started by Kaa and Rakanishu. You know, two people that you had pegged as your ED1 scum reads?

[Pesco]

Burial Grounds Votecount

Barbarian (0.5): Charged Bolt
Sorceress (4): Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (2): Bremm Sparkfist, Barbarian
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (3): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch

Not voting:: Fire Eye, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
88% time remaining.

[OOO]

I'm back everyone. If you need me, just holler.

[W]

Catch up time, bloody time zones. Lets see what we got here. Plenty of facepalming and lots, I mean lots of eye blinding posts. Wait, must be because my eyes are constantly on fire.

Sorceress, you need to start drinking more magic potions or something or start showing some serious magic. Because just questioning why some early voting occurred is just making be believe you are a fake sorc with fake magic. #65, you start making SOMEWHAT sense, but not enough?

Seriously now, it even made me frown deep to see Ancient Kaa out of the blue agreeing on Rakanishu. Not once but twice he got called to clarify his odd behaviour. And then responds that Rakanishu's  "reasoning" was not enough to move his? What? So what was your reasoning? Exactly, you never told us. Later on he comes up with "case" on Sorc joining the bandwagon. Suspicious for me. Especially how he calls out someone on "weak explanation" while he gave in my eyes nothing better.

The summoner, wait wait wait. You said you would "wait and see Sorc's" reply after unvoting. Now joining also the bandwagon? Is it me or am I getting scummy buddy vibes from you and Kaa? Also your explanation is worse (none existant) than Kaa's.

##Vote The Summoner

[Kiva-la]

Uhh, Countess, did you just place the Sorceress at L1?

-Reading the rest of the game again now-

Again, I can't read.
Just clarifying this.

[Skull]

Funnily enough, nothing in Sorceress' latest post makes me want to not vote her. I wonder why that is~?

Still, looking forward to your interaction analysis. You know, the one with no flips. And 2 pages of material. It'll be good, I'm sure .

I don't like how needlessly condemning this post is.
The second line in particular. It says Sorceress has no chance of having the bandwagon on herself removed because anything she posts will only be day one strong ... in a game that's still on day one.
If it's so pointless, we might as well just Quicklynch her.

Also, pointing out the L-6 thing is a nulltell. Sure, it generates useless noise, but so would the Immunities discussion if it wasn't already posted for us. The discussion coming up like that, and then saying it would be town not to claim immunities sounds much more "Look at me faking town" where as pointing out the L-6 reads more surprised town to me.

I don't see what's so scummy about Summoner waiting to vote, either. Between Summoner and Kaa, Sorc would be put at L-1, and earlier Corpsefire just yelled at someone for supposedly putting Sorc at L-1, so which side is right?

[Decade]

As of Raa's #46 I can see and understand his actions. Don't have problems with him anymore.

I also think it's weird that you're getting on Corpse for asking you about it. There was nothing wrong with his questions. You even deflected it by interpreting it as asking you for Raka's reasons, when he was asking for yours.

Also, this was wrong and I can't read. Sorry, my mistake. This avatar style just makes it easier for me to miss posts... it has a surprisingly large effect on my ability to interpret forum format. I'll probably get used to it soon.

##Unvote

With my freshly-awoken-from-sleep mind, I also realize now that Kaa DID have a good point against Corpsefire. It's not anything condemning against the zombie, but I'll keep it in mind.

Sounds like you agreed with it too. There's nothing wrong with it but Kaa thinking it's good is bad. Explain?

I didn't agree with it. I just didn't find anything wrong with it. Kaa agreeing with a vote that has no reasoning behind it was weird, because there isn't anything to agree with other then a general feeling of "Oh sorceress is scummy". It looked like sheeping, as was said by someone(Corpsefire?) earlier. But anyway, I'm reading Kaa as town now.

Bloodwitch is sigh because random vote. We're a bit past RVS now, as you can see! We'd like a real case. Still early D1, so weak is fine, but please vote someone for SOME kind of actual reason.

Don't have any reads to post further then that (Except for reading Kaa/Raka as town now) because it's still ED1 and I don't feel I have enough on anyone else to make an opinion.

Summoner wagon is okay to me. I'm not going to put my vote on it though because it'd set him at L-1 already. He also hasn't posted since before the first vote was placed on him, and I'd like to see what he has to say before deciding whether I want to throw my full support in that direction or not.

Nih's statement about Summoner's voting is a misrep because at the time, it only would have put Sorc at L-2. I dunno, I see stuff in Nih's post, but GUT =D keeps telling me it feels empty and consists of tunneling and a minor/somewhat inaccurate defense on Summoner and that overall it looks worth "HMMMM"ing at. LOGIC D= tells me there's nothing wrong with his post. Bleh. I'll decide when there's more from him to look at.

Oh yes, I have a vote to use. ...but other then pressuring Summoner to respond (But it'd set him at L-1, so) there isn't anyone I feel right about using it on. We'll see how things go when I get back from obligations that are going to occupy my time for... the next 6~8 hours. Yep, see you.

[Decade]

Oh, I peeked over my post again and remember Bloodwitch exists and is sigh for random voting at this point of the game.

This is much better then not voting and I feel it's a good use of my vote and I'm banging my head into my desk for not realizing I should do this about 15 seconds ago before I hit "Post".

##Vote Bloodwitch

[Den-O]

Let's play why Countess's opinions are pretty fucking awful and useless noise!

Corpse opinion: "Raka and Corpse look bad in the argument and Corpse is worse but last game Corpse wasn't worse but Kaa said something relevant about him but I think he's suspicious but not suspicious"
FENCE SITTTTTTTTTTTTT

Coldcrow opinion: "Cold is suspicious because he's arrogant and trying to move the game fast and also something about votes that I'm admitting doesn't mean anything, but you know, he has a point about that Kaa wagon. He's only SLIGHTLY scum"
A little better, I'll give you 2 points. Out of 500.

Ancient Kaa opinion: "KAA IS TOWN. EXCEPT MAYBE NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BLOCK OFF A MISLYNCH! ALSO HIS CONTENT IS GOOD BUT IF OTHER PEOPLE SAY IT'S BAD IT'S BAD!"
Are you allergic to having an outright town read or something?

Summoner opinion: "Wiki tell, :effort:, activity gap (incidentally the most damning thing you came up with, and then you proceed to...) OH WAIT ACTIVITY GAP ISN'T IMPORTANT! Also conciseness is scum!"
Well at least you manage to FINALLY post without undercutting your opinion EVERY OTHER SENTENCE. Too bad the case is bad.

Raka opinions: "HE'S LOOKING TOWN! I LITERALLY FORGOT EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE CORPSEFIRE SENTENCE SO THAT I COULD PRETEND TO HAVE A SOLID OPINION"
Seriously, what the fuck is up with that discrepency?

Sorceress (Countess' buddy, for those following at home) opinions: "SHE'S SUSPICIOUS BECAUSE THE TOWN WOULD JUMP ON ME IF I SAY SHE'S NOT, BUT SHE'S NOT SCUMMY SO I'M GONNA CALL HER NEUTRAL AND HOPE NO ONE NOTICES! WAIT WAIT, POST 61 DOESN'T LOOK GOOD...
...
...
OH BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD EITHER. (whew, for a second I thought you TOOK AN ACTUAL STANCE. Geez, I would have had to rewrite this WHOLE NARRATIVE if you went and did something like that!) ALSO WHY BOTHER READING THE GAME WHERE KAA EXPLAINED THE CASE PRETTY WELL!"

Yeah, seriously.

##Unvote, ##Vote Countess

CONGRATS ON BEING WORSE THAN SORCERESS! Lemme finish catching up.

[Den-O]

Corpse: Uh, that was Summoner Countess voted. As for your next post, no problem, I should have laid off the ad hom. As for the soceress vote, I don't like it. I like your REASONS, but your bedfellows are simply awful. It feels like a counterwagon to sorc scum (I'm aware I'm voting Countess but seriously they're both scum). Could you consider the Countess case, at least, if you don't like Sorceress?

Fire Eye: Don't like how you're throwing as much as you can to see what sticks. Further, your case on Kaa is FAR better than your case on Summoner. I'm REALLY uncomfortable with this Summoner wagon, guys.

@Nih: That's nice. HOW ABOUT YOU POST SOME ACTUAL FUCKING OPINIONS, K THX

I swear to god there are too many scum in this game. But, Countess and Sorceress NEED DEATH.

[Skull]

Those were my opinions.

[Den-O]

No, they weren't. That was a contentless ball of fluff to make you look like you were playing the game. FROM that post, no one can conclude who you think is scum. Hell, we can't figure out your reads on ANYONE. The BEST I can figure out is that you MAYBE think I'm scum. But you're too scared to outright say that, so you're just poking at it. You're not even serious voting anyone, unless you'd like to upgrade that "random vote" on me to serious. And if you do...oooh, I'm going to have FUN with that :3.

[Den-O]

Also I see Barbarian cut me but I chose not to read it because I wanted to get my countess stuff out. Having read it NOW, it's kind of weak and I sadface as him thinking the summoner wagon is at all ok, given who's on it. I'd like him to read Countess and see what his GUT =D tells him.

[OOO]

Corpse opinion: "Raka and Corpse look bad in the argument and Corpse is worse but last game Corpse wasn't worse but Kaa said something relevant about him but I think he's suspicious but not suspicious"

This line reeks of horrible misrepping. Enough for me to make a post about it.
I said that last game the stronger arguer was scum (in that case Youmu who picked a fight or was involved in a fight with two other people at different posint in the game). I never said that Corpse wasn't worse last game. I just said that based on the events of last game, it's not really a strong tell.
Also this huge amount of force is bad, I CAN MAKE YOU LOOK BAD TOO WITH CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEE, IT'S WORKING YOU MISREPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MISREPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU PROVIDE OPINIONS ON EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAD SOME SIGNIFICANCE IN THE GAME SO FAR (meaning everyone I mentioned (excluding yourself because you're a misrepper)) (or at least link to the post/s you made it in if I can't read right).
Also my town read of you has gone down so much. I thought you were one of the towniest so far. Townie enough that you looked good enough even after the argument with Corpsefire (which is why I didn't mention it in your paragraph).

Rant end. (I admit I exaggerated a bit but that was to let out the anger that randomly appeared.)

@Nihlatak: I too agree that that wasn't an opinions post. I couldn't make heads or tails of it either.

[OOO]

I also asked why people thought Sorceress and Corpsefire were scummy. As I could not see how they were scummy (call me blind if you have to).
So if you're going to accuse me of fencesitting then maybe you should cater to my needs first.

[Skull]

How is voting you "Too scared to say it outright?"
How is voicing my problems with Raka's line of attack not combine with the fact that I'm not unvoting him not mean "I think he's scum?"
How is saying "What Sorc did was a Nulltell" not an opinion on Sorc? How is "But the Immunities discussion is" not an additional opinion on Raka?
Why are you trying to discredit my post without even commenting on what's in it?

being loud doesn't make you in the right, and it certainly doesn't make you not scum.